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When they say they want genocide believe them
« on: December 07, 2021, 04:51:09 PM »
Since this has no place in the gamming forum I'm taking that discussion with jhkim and continuing it here.

BLM calls for genocide, should I give money to anyone supporting them? Even if I believe genocide is wrong? Even if they are calling for the genocide of people with MY skin color?

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2021, 09:16:04 PM »
I'm very curious, which is to say suspicious, about the source of that image. Not saying it's a fake, but it doesn't really mean much if it isn't coming from some recognized source that is directly tied to BLM influencers etc., any more than some anonymous "white power rah rah" leaflet with the GOP logo would be credible.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2021, 09:54:25 PM »
I'm very curious, which is to say suspicious, about the source of that image. Not saying it's a fake, but it doesn't really mean much if it isn't coming from some recognized source that is directly tied to BLM influencers etc., any more than some anonymous "white power rah rah" leaflet with the GOP logo would be credible.

Oh really? You think the same people thay say this

https://www.ibtimes.com/black-lives-matter-most-controversial-quotes-statements-2492936

Wouldn't say that?

Give me a break.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2021, 10:22:29 PM »
So you don't know where it came from then?

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2021, 11:20:01 PM »
So you don't know where it came from then?

I'm trying to remember where.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2021, 12:12:55 AM »
It's a hoax. Created by anti-BLM people to smear BLM. Nothing tracks it back to actual BLM. See for example:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-flyer-enemy-of-people/

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2021, 04:32:15 AM »
It's a hoax. Created by anti-BLM people to smear BLM. Nothing tracks it back to actual BLM. See for example:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/blm-flyer-enemy-of-people/

On the other side, Snopes saying "it's a hoax" without any proof is not actually proof of anything, other than Snopes' very well known leftist bias. The link actually admits that they have no idea where the flyer originated from, but they are just declaring that it was made by white-supremacists.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2021, 08:13:43 AM »
Could be a false flag or troll.

Then again, BLM has plenty of black supremacists in their ranks.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2021, 10:25:00 AM »
BLM is a terrorist organization. Nobody needs to make up things to smear BLM, the facts of murdered police, murdered children, and smoldering cities speak for themselves.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2021, 12:43:00 PM »
It's a hoax. Created by anti-BLM people to smear BLM. Nothing tracks it back to actual BLM
If you want a real BLM smear, their co-founder is a self-admitted marxist https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/ for whom all of this is just a lens to push for that. Their leadership is also fabulously wealthy  https://nypost.com/2021/04/10/inside-blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-real-estate-buying-binge/all of the sudden.
She resigned recently and mysteriously, but the radical bullshit is still all baked in.

And communists are pretty good at genocide. So I don't see BLM pushing for genocide intentionally. Just by side effect.

If you believe they are a good cause, your either ignorant, or an idiot.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2021, 01:59:22 PM »
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That explains it. That's a complex juxtaposition of Jesus' teaching* and the fucking nonsense Libertarians believe.

*while he lived before Marx, I think it's safe to say Jesus was a socialist.

No we were not. Dear Lord, I have to do with freaking libertarians all around expanding definition of socialism to everything they don't like (and I mean Geeky is guilty as well), and then came you using the same bullshit in some ridiculous attempt to prove it was cool.

State do something = communism. That's some bullshit.

Socialism to be socialism demands public or collective ownership of means of production. Land. Technology. Factories.
So no state hiring guards to guard streets does not count. Or freaking charity actions.


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So to you supporting those who make calls to exterminate a race is not supporting those who want to exterminate a race? Would need to search for it but Burn Loot Murder has made such calls.

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BLM is a terrorist organization. Nobody needs to make up things to smear BLM, the facts of murdered police, murdered children, and smoldering cities speak for themselves.

Luckily for BLM they are not organisation, but Twitter hashtag. Ergo lot of people with wastly different persepectives could write various bullshit underneath. Decentralised, disorganised movement which is basically no movement at all.
I need more for witch hunt than this. Specifics. Otherwise it's no different than some lefty loon making claims all Christians are like David Koresh because we all use same prayers.

If for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Lives_Matter_Global_Network_Foundation those guys are promoting violence, theft and so on, and then you have some designers paying them or being member, that's another thing.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2021, 02:05:38 PM »
Luckily for BLM they are not organisation, but Twitter hashtag. Ergo lot of people with wastly different persepectives could write various bullshit underneath. Decentralised, disorganised movement which is basically no movement at all.
Something doesn't stop having general overriding objectives and general goals if its decentralized or has a twitter hashtag. Some segments are disorganized. Others are very organized.

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2021, 02:14:39 PM »
I think only general overreaching sentiment is: black Americans are unjustly more persecuted by police due to prejudice than other ethnic groups and it should stop.
Anything more-  I need to delve deeper into specific people and well real organisation that exist in this wide movement.
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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2021, 02:21:40 PM »
I think only general overreaching sentiment is: black Americans are unjustly more persecuted by police due to prejudice than other ethnic groups and it should stop.
Which is already a tenous position in terms of its connection to reality. The tenous reasonable (without much further thought) sounding position is a thin smokescreen for misanthropic people and commies.
The commies in the USSR positioned their desire for utter destruction of the state and every general aspect of life behind a genuine greviance to the Tsar. And that greviance was more real then what BLM is complaining about. And it still had lots of useful idiots lined at the walls and shot (or sent to gulags).

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Re: When they say they want genocide believe them
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2021, 02:58:12 PM »
Could be a false flag or troll.

Then again, BLM has plenty of black supremacists in their ranks.

Without any source, author, or other evidence that it is genuine, I don't think that the flyer from the OP is worth discussing. Black Lives Matter is a well-known movement - there is plenty to discuss without turning to unsourced material.

As others say, the problem with discussing Black Lives Matter is that it's a widespread hashtag movement. Like other hashtag movements from GamerGate to MeToo, it's hard to pin down any specific beliefs or policies among supporters. There are founders and activists, but most people who use the hashtag aren't expressing faith in the founders or any particular organization - they are supporting the general cause. From recent polling (Sep 2021), about 28% of Americans say they strongly support Black Lives Matter, and about 55% at least somewhat support it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/27/support-for-black-lives-matter-declined-after-george-floyd-protests-but-has-remained-unchanged-since/