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When did you first start to notice the SJW takeover of the hobby?

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Fergurg:

--- Quote from: Pat on September 14, 2021, 07:09:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: oggsmash on September 14, 2021, 06:58:03 PM ---  I am going to have to be honest here, I agree about how hard they went at Palin....But McCain was fucking horrible.  I did not vote for either of them, but as I hit that Libertarian ticket, I have to admit I hoped to high heaven that McCain would not be POTUS. edited to add:  I *want* to think in hindsight McCain might have been better...but I can also look at him in hindsight after that election as well, and I hate to say...I am glad Obama won that election.

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McCain ran a Hillary Clinton campaign. Low energy, low effort.

Obama ran on hope for the country's race-blind future.

Shame how that turned out.

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I’ll go further. McCain clearly had no intention of winning. He sounded like he was campaigning to be in Obama’s cabinet and every single time something came up that could have hurt Obama’s campaign, McCain made a point to dismiss it as irrelevant.

oggsmash:

--- Quote from: Fergurg on September 14, 2021, 07:18:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: Pat on September 14, 2021, 07:09:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: oggsmash on September 14, 2021, 06:58:03 PM ---  I am going to have to be honest here, I agree about how hard they went at Palin....But McCain was fucking horrible.  I did not vote for either of them, but as I hit that Libertarian ticket, I have to admit I hoped to high heaven that McCain would not be POTUS. edited to add:  I *want* to think in hindsight McCain might have been better...but I can also look at him in hindsight after that election as well, and I hate to say...I am glad Obama won that election.

--- End quote ---
McCain ran a Hillary Clinton campaign. Low energy, low effort.

Obama ran on hope for the country's race-blind future.

Shame how that turned out.

--- End quote ---

I’ll go further. McCain clearly had no intention of winning. He sounded like he was campaigning to be in Obama’s cabinet and every single time something came up that could have hurt Obama’s campaign, McCain made a point to dismiss it as irrelevant.

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  Yes.  I would also add, now that we have hindsight, what sort of complete narcissist holds onto a position like that with a FUCKING BRAIN TUMOR?   If there is a medical condition that should allow for immediate removal from office, I would think a brain tumor has to be it.  Leave, rest, get well... but make big policy decisions?  fuck no.

horsesoldier:
There has always been a tilting towards progressive ideology, whatever that may be at the time, and the nerd phenotype. Physically weak people, the unattractive but smart, these types of people are in a majority sense going to be drawn towards the hot new thing. In the past this was Christianity, or Protestantism, or the industrial revolution or whatever.

Today it's begging that your town of 30k gets 5k Afghans and 8 year olds on puberty blockers.

Anyway, when it first dawned on me, I guess it was Origins in the summer of 2003. Just having graduated high school in Texas, the kind of gamers I had been around were either wargamers, who by personality trended more "conservative" or roleplayers, most of which was just weird people. Looking back on that time I never had a thought about the politics someone might have had nor did we have any conversations relating to that. We talked about girls, games, sports, crap like that. My other con experience had been on a university campus and I didn't treat it as representative. Anyway, going up to Ohio and seeing the nerd flotsam that had spilled into Columbus, I started to identify the lefty tinge to the hobby.

When it coasleced into something more concrete I guess it would be gamergate and it's after effects. The first time I really grappled with SJW mealy mouth bullshit was George R. R. Martin tying to explain why the Sad/Sick puppies were a bad thing for his precious worldcon. Guy just couldn't or wouldn't come out and say what the problem was. Meanwhile his opponents could. Since then I have learned the side who is able to simply explain a problem is usually the correct one.

Stephen Tannhauser:

--- Quote from: horsesoldier on September 17, 2021, 12:00:42 PM ---There has always been a tilting towards progressive ideology, whatever that may be at the time, and the nerd phenotype. Physically weak people, the unattractive but smart, these types of people are in a majority sense going to be drawn towards the hot new thing.
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I think it's less about the "hot new thing" and more about the opinions towards society and other people that certain formative experiences tend to inculcate in people. Using myself and many fandom friends I've known as examples, several childhood characteristics tended to be common among the Western fan-geek population, especially in the '70s and '80s:

- Frequent humiliation and/or rejection by peers, usually as the victims of bullying or teasing based on unusual interests, or genuine gaps in intellect and/or maturity.
- Generally better experiences with teachers and adults, especially if the adults encouraged those interests rather than mocking them.
- Personal familiarity with family collapse, either their own or a close friend's or relative's.

Assuming formative experiences like these always seemed a very plausible explanation for many of the traits I've seen demonstrated by fervent progressivists (and which I possessed a few of to some degree myself, back in my more centrist days):

- contempt for popular taste and opinion;
- admiration for benevolent authority figures who could use their power to redress injustices and share things out fairly;
- the belief that society would do better if run by a small gifted elite than by leaving the hoi-polloi to themselves;
- disdain for "traditional families" and the impatience with any arguments that such families were best for both parents and children;
- the desire to characterize rejection, criticism and condemnation (even purely verbally or philosophically) as socially destructive assault when done by the majority to the minority or the powerful to the weak, but to embrace it as moral and heroic when done in reverse. (This is, of course, one of the first things to change now that progressivist philosophy has such a stranglehold on certain key channels of social power.)

Novastar:
As for many others, it was Gamergate. It was quite literally shocking to me, the demonization that took place from the media.
I like to think I was no innocent before that, but the sheer willful vitriol and dishonesty from those being criticized, was appalling.

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