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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #90 on: November 03, 2021, 10:44:24 PM »
Greetings!

So beautiful! The Liberal Democrats get *crushed* in Virginia.

All of the Dmeocrat bitches are crying that McAuliffe lost because of so many white racists in Virginia! "White Supremacy!" That damned Conservative Youngkin wrapped his campaign in a LIE, by using promoses of championing EDUCATION as a racist dog whistle!

Ummm...but Virginia just voted in a BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN as Lieutenant Governor of the state of Virginia. She is also a veteran of the US Marine Corps, and regularly takes photos carrying an AR-15 "Assault Rifle." I understand she's very Conservative, very pro-gun, and very much against the cock-sucking SJW's.

But according to the Democrats in the media--the Democrats lost big everywhere in Virginia because of white racists!

Fucking morons. Hypocrits, lying, cock-sucking Marxist morons.



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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #91 on: November 03, 2021, 11:15:54 PM »
Greetings!

Here is a very interesting commentary on the victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and underlying dynamics connected also to the Liberal Democrats defeat in the Virginia elections.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #92 on: November 03, 2021, 11:17:15 PM »
Winsome Sears is the black face of the Old White Dominion.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #93 on: November 03, 2021, 11:53:34 PM »
What's the alternative?

The alternative - at least as I see it - is the kind of "social democratic" movement we had in Europe in the 1970s. "The light that failed", if you will - and I'm not using that expression randomly. You know, de-privatize, de-globalize, and de-tribalize - but within rational measures. I'm no US citizen, and I can tell you that public healthcare is simply a pretty good thing. And, talking about globalization, maybe society should have a vote on whether we want the current generation of billionaires to own their own space stations, especially when they could also use that kind of money for more pressing issues. (And I'm pretty sure any issue is more pressing than a private space station. Unless you're Magneto.)

And, talking about societal tribalism - that's the most lo-fi issue, but also the hardest one because it forces us to change our own behavior; let's start, maybe, with stating that one can well dislike that new "Masters of the Universe" cartoon is crap without necessarily being "anti-women". And likewise, let's make a start by saying that, at least in the beginning, Colin Kaepernick taking a knee was probably not more and no less than Johnny Cash wearing black clothes, back in the day.

You know, just turn down the noise, and start focusing on coming together and actually get shit done. Ever since the Bush years in the US, there is this worldwide political trend that it is more important to constantly virtue-signal to your following than to actually solve the problems the entirety of society is facing. Whenever that has happened in history, from the Trump years to pre-WWI (yeah, "one") Germany, and to the French Revolution, the results of such behavior have always been disastrous. So, it's not about micro-analyzing whose fault this might possibly have been: It's about making this stop. Otherwise, it's gonna be a new, mildly Lovecraftian dark age. Not that people wouldn't be able to manage, but if we're talking anime-style dystopias, I'd strongly prefer "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" or "Cowboy Bebop" to "Bubble Gum Crisis" and "Vampire Hunter D".

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« Reply #94 on: November 04, 2021, 01:59:56 AM »
And, talking about globalization, maybe society should have a vote on whether we want the current generation of billionaires to own their own space stations, especially when they could also use that kind of money for more pressing issues. (And I'm pretty sure any issue is more pressing than a private space station. Unless you're Magneto.)
So you want history to stop? We can never spend money on something that might advance the human race, and allow us to escape this planet? We have to spend all our money on wasteful projects run by politicians and their buddies who get rich while pointing to the misery they caused and claiming that yes, just another $100 trillion more and it'll be fixed, we swear, this time?

That's literally the most evil thing I can imagine.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #95 on: November 04, 2021, 02:21:28 AM »
What's going to divide folks next is not a social space or an ideology - it's gonna be a wealth space. The West is going to look a whole lot more like the 19th century than the 20th, in the coming decades. Transportation and travel is going become less and less affordable for normal people, as is access to "premium" education; on the other end, prenatal testing and computer technology are going to enter a territory we've only known so far from science-fiction. Give this another twenty years while Western population increasingly obsesses about political correctness and our own Romanticized ideas of proper statehood (second ammendment, yadda, yadda) and we're going to wake up in a world that looks way more like the Joel Kinnaman "Robo Cop" movie, or even "Blade Runner".

You can have all the guns - or all the trans babies, for that matter - that you want as long you leave the drone soldiers, the fuel, and the books to me. Oh, yeah, and the healthier children, of course, because you can't afford that on YOUR salary, mate. Give this a hundred years, and we're going to move from the mildly Orwellian to the outright Melnibonean.
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
What's the alternative?

I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.

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I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

And the people they elect will do just enough to hold onto their power, but not too much to rock the boat, and jepoardize their positions. Or maybe the occasional maverick will try, and get crushed by both sides.

And the voters participate by buying those cell phones and ipads and think that voting every X years is enough participation, and leave the government to police itself. *eye roll here*
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #96 on: November 04, 2021, 03:20:10 AM »
So you want history to stop? We can never spend money on something that might advance the human race, and allow us to escape this planet? We have to spend all our money on wasteful projects run by politicians and their buddies who get rich while pointing to the misery they caused and claiming that yes, just another $100 trillion more and it'll be fixed, we swear, this time?

That's literally the most evil thing I can imagine.


Naah. That's just your Reaganism struggling to explain things beyond its limits. This is not about "history stopping"; it's a Botswana Hunting Trip question. "With great power comes great responsibility" - only for plebeians like you and me, or also for these modern patricians? Or does their high bank account exempt them from scrutiny as long as they're bold?

Also, the key word in what you're saying there is "might". Are you seriously expecting Jeff Bezos to help YOU escape the planet? Like, ever read up on working conditions at Amazon's warehouse facilities? Are you sure you want a guy who is cool with that to spearhead "human advancement"? --- Because I'm not so sure I want that. Rather than that, I'd have Bezos give the same money to NASA; he can have his face plastered on the whole thing, for all I care, but the actual decisions should be made by people who are educated in the field, not by rich guys who've been watching too much "Starcom".

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #97 on: November 04, 2021, 03:30:46 AM »
What's the alternative?

The alternative - at least as I see it - is the kind of "social democratic" movement we had in Europe in the 1970s. "The light that failed", if you will - and I'm not using that expression randomly. You know, de-privatize, de-globalize, and de-tribalize - but within rational measures. I'm no US citizen, and I can tell you that public healthcare is simply a pretty good thing. And, talking about globalization, maybe society should have a vote on whether we want the current generation of billionaires to own their own space stations, especially when they could also use that kind of money for more pressing issues. (And I'm pretty sure any issue is more pressing than a private space station. Unless you're Magneto.)

If we dont have private space stations then what are we going to use to stop the asteroid?

Your so called public healthcare is going to look pretty stupid then.
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #98 on: November 04, 2021, 03:52:09 AM »
It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.

Completely agree with you there. Government is made by people, and they are going to act just as selfishly as anyone else if you let them. Just take this story, from a year ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/congress-insider-trading-problem/608488/

But that's why we supposedly have a system of checks and balances in place. And if the system has stopped working as it should, then we need to adapt it so it works more efficiently again. If politicians are doing a "half-assed job", it's the public's responsibility to properly motivate them - for example, by reducing their possibilities to connect every decision they make to them making some sort of extra salary. That's what the democratic system is literally designed for. 

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« Reply #99 on: November 04, 2021, 03:52:49 AM »
What's the alternative?

The alternative - at least as I see it - is the kind of "social democratic" movement we had in Europe in the 1970s. "The light that failed", if you will - and I'm not using that expression randomly. You know, de-privatize, de-globalize, and de-tribalize - but within rational measures. I'm no US citizen, and I can tell you that public healthcare is simply a pretty good thing. And, talking about globalization, maybe society should have a vote on whether we want the current generation of billionaires to own their own space stations, especially when they could also use that kind of money for more pressing issues. (And I'm pretty sure any issue is more pressing than a private space station. Unless you're Magneto.)

If we dont have private space stations then what are we going to use to stop the asteroid?

Your so called public healthcare is going to look pretty stupid then.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #100 on: November 04, 2021, 09:21:44 AM »
It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.

Completely agree with you there. Government is made by people, and they are going to act just as selfishly as anyone else if you let them. Just take this story, from a year ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/congress-insider-trading-problem/608488/

But that's why we supposedly have a system of checks and balances in place. And if the system has stopped working as it should, then we need to adapt it so it works more efficiently again. If politicians are doing a "half-assed job", it's the public's responsibility to properly motivate them - for example, by reducing their possibilities to connect every decision they make to them making some sort of extra salary. That's what the democratic system is literally designed for.

But isn't that the root of the problem?  "The Government" or "The Company" is treated like a person without having the accountability of a person.  No, the government didn't decide on something - the *people* elected or appointed or hired into that government made the decision.  Likewise, a corporation didn't make a decision, the C-suite or board of directors made a decision or set a policy.

The collective *we* need to stop blaming nameless, faceless entities and start holding accountable the people shielded by their association with those entities. Name names. Fire people. Try and convict people. Make it so that corrupt people will no longer see government "service" as a viable career. Make it so that sociopaths are weeded out from positions of authority in publicly-held corporations.  It would help to have term limits for elected officials and it would help if interlocking corporate directorships were unlawful.
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #101 on: November 04, 2021, 09:43:12 AM »
Ummm...but Virginia just voted in a BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN as Lieutenant Governor of the state of Virginia. She is also a veteran of the US Marine Corps, and regularly takes photos carrying an AR-15 "Assault Rifle." I understand she's very Conservative, very pro-gun, and very much against the cock-sucking SJW's.

She's originally from Jamaica so she understands and loves what makes America so special and unique.

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« Reply #102 on: November 04, 2021, 10:41:29 AM »
So you want history to stop? We can never spend money on something that might advance the human race, and allow us to escape this planet? We have to spend all our money on wasteful projects run by politicians and their buddies who get rich while pointing to the misery they caused and claiming that yes, just another $100 trillion more and it'll be fixed, we swear, this time?

That's literally the most evil thing I can imagine.


Naah. That's just your Reaganism struggling to explain things beyond its limits. This is not about "history stopping"; it's a Botswana Hunting Trip question. "With great power comes great responsibility" - only for plebeians like you and me, or also for these modern patricians? Or does their high bank account exempt them from scrutiny as long as they're bold?

Also, the key word in what you're saying there is "might". Are you seriously expecting Jeff Bezos to help YOU escape the planet? Like, ever read up on working conditions at Amazon's warehouse facilities? Are you sure you want a guy who is cool with that to spearhead "human advancement"? --- Because I'm not so sure I want that. Rather than that, I'd have Bezos give the same money to NASA; he can have his face plastered on the whole thing, for all I care, but the actual decisions should be made by people who are educated in the field, not by rich guys who've been watching too much "Starcom".
Reaganism? Oh, you're one of those idiots who sees the world as two boxes, and anyone who disagrees with you is stuffed in the box you label "other". That box is random collection of all the random things you don't like. You're incapable of listening to what other people say or understanding what they believe, because in your hypersimplistic view everything that's not You gets lumped together and possesses the exact same properties.

Bezos has created an efficient system. So efficient, that billions of people have voluntarily given him billions of dollars. It's democracy in its purest form, with people voting with their money. Name one government that has done the same. While there are fuckloads of problems with wealth inequality, but here's the trick: Almost all of the problems were caused by the government. You're blaming Bezos, when you should be blaming people like Pelosi or McConnell. Most of those issues are rooted in special favors for cronies that favor the rich over the ordinary people, combined with massive debt and monetary manipulation.

The government does not create comparably efficient systems. The 1960s and 1970s were glorious exploration, but what were the 1980s? A shuttle service. And then they turned American astronauts into hitchhikers. The unmanned programs have been successful, but at a huge cost. In contrast, Space X, Blue Origin, and so on are taking people to space again, and doing it on a shoestring budget.

And you're on the side of perpetual totalitarianism. Yay.

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« Reply #103 on: November 04, 2021, 10:46:40 AM »
It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.
Anyone who wants to see how it works should search for "Pelosi stocks".

It's only insider trading if you're in the private sector.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #104 on: November 04, 2021, 12:25:03 PM »
It is no coincidence that everything has become subjective (transsexuals e.g.). Recently there have been tests to "determine" your actual age, making that subjective. Therefore, you can identify as a seven-year-old, even if you are forty. I shouldn't have to tell you where THAT is going.
A bit far back in the thread, but THIS is the answer to the latest mandate insanity. I hereby identify as a four-year old and therefore am ineligible for all jabs and urge everyone else to identify as four as well.

Use their own logic to mock them.