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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2021, 07:11:20 PM »
Link works here, FWIW.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2021, 07:42:27 PM »
Link works here, FWIW.

Works for me also.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2021, 07:59:21 PM »
Loads for me, but there was a note at the bottom of the page: "odysee.com performance may be degraded. You can try to use it, or wait 5 minutes and refresh. Please no crush us."

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2021, 08:11:29 PM »
I encourage people here, particularly those aren't using social media, to watch and observe this video demonstrating how the Woke religion uses the "Gender" lie & social media to create psychic contagions that cause children to damage their own minds & bodies. This is particularly prevalent among young girls.

https://odysee.com/@iHypocrite:d/fake-disorder-cringe-(explained):6

OK, I can access it now, and checked the referenced links.

https://adc.bmj.com/content/106/5/420

https://thefrontierpsychiatrists.substack.com/p/dsm-5-tiktok

This is about behavior of young TikTok influencers - spreading misinformation about Tourette's and Dissociative Identity Disorder. It seems like at least one of the influencers claimed to be transgender as well as DID, but that doesn't say anything about transgender people in general.

It seems to me that the whole point of the video is that TikTok influencers are *not* representative of whatever category they claim to represent. So one shouldn't watch TikTok influencers to learn about what Tourette's Syndrome is really like, for example.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2021, 11:41:24 PM »
It seems to me that the whole point of the video is that TikTok influencers are *not* representative of whatever category they claim to represent. So one shouldn't watch TikTok influencers to learn about what Tourette's Syndrome is really like, for example.
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2021, 01:24:11 AM »
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No, I don't. First of all, worldwide, suicide rates are going down from a peak in the 1990s.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-death-rates-by-sex?country=~OWID_WRL

That's a good thing overall. Depending on country, though, rates may be going up or down.

Talking about what the entire planet isn't a real answer to the fact that everything from suicide, depression, divorce has spiked in the US, which is the primary pioneer of this brave new world.

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Over the last 20 years, the rates have gone up in the U.S. and South Korea, but down in England, France, Russia, and Japan. But that is almost entirely non-transgender people. So the question is, are non-transgender Americans killing themselves more just because transgender people are more accepted? I think the simpler explanation is that the change is caused by factors other than transgender acceptance. As one data point, I would note that the California suicide rate has risen less than the overall U.S. rate, and California has one of the lowest suicide rates of all the states.

This seems like another deflection. There are a range of reasons why people kill themselves, from trauma experienced during military service to drug addiction to divorce. This dosent change the fact that homosexual and especially transsexual people have incredibly high rates of suicide.


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For suicide of transgender people specifically, the rate has always been high. That is, transgender people have risks different than non-transgender, but there's no indication that these problems are made better by taking a tough "pray the gay away" approach. I don't find many statistics broken down by year. The study below is from Holland, and it found a decreasing rate among trans women, and the same rate for trans men.

Firstly, multiple studies say the majority of teenagers with gender dysphoria de transition by adulthood.

http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

Keeping in mind that we are experiencing a trend of rapid onset gender dysphoria due to children being impressionable and exposed to disgusting propaganda, why would we encourage these kids to permanently butcher their bodies and massively increase their chance of suicide?

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2021, 01:06:58 PM »
No, I don't. First of all, worldwide, suicide rates are going down from a peak in the 1990s.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/suicide-death-rates-by-sex?country=~OWID_WRL

That's a good thing overall. Depending on country, though, rates may be going up or down.

Talking about what the entire planet isn't a real answer to the fact that everything from suicide, depression, divorce has spiked in the US, which is the primary pioneer of this brave new world.

Are you implying that the U.S. is a world leader in transgender acceptance? From what I see, much of Western/Northern Europe and Canada have generally been more open to transgender rights. By this survey, for example, the top countries for transgender acceptance were Spain, Sweden, Canada, and Argentina.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-rights-23-country-survey/

And those countries haven't seen the same trend in suicide rate as the U.S. Sweden's, Canada's, and Argentina's rates have gone down, and Spain's is stable. According to your view, countries that are the most culturally liberal and accepting of transgender should have a higher and rising suicide rate, and that is not the case.

The same thing is true of states within the U.S. You imply that rising suicide in the U.S. is caused by cultural leftism -- but California and New York have some of the lowest suicide rates of all the fifty states. From what you say, California should have a much higher and faster-rising suicide rate, but that isn't true.


Over the last 20 years, the rates have gone up in the U.S. and South Korea, but down in England, France, Russia, and Japan. But that is almost entirely non-transgender people. So the question is, are non-transgender Americans killing themselves more just because transgender people are more accepted? I think the simpler explanation is that the change is caused by factors other than transgender acceptance. As one data point, I would note that the California suicide rate has risen less than the overall U.S. rate, and California has one of the lowest suicide rates of all the states.

This seems like another deflection. There are a range of reasons why people kill themselves, from trauma experienced during military service to drug addiction to divorce. This dosent change the fact that homosexual and especially transsexual people have incredibly high rates of suicide.

I don't disagree that transgender people have a higher suicide rate. The question is what approach improves that suicide rate. My view is that there is no sign that demanding they "pray the trans away" makes things better. Both in the past and in the present, transgender people are frequently called disgusting freaks and ostracized, which I also don't think improves their suicide rate.


For suicide of transgender people specifically, the rate has always been high. That is, transgender people have risks different than non-transgender, but there's no indication that these problems are made better by taking a tough "pray the gay away" approach. I don't find many statistics broken down by year. The study below is from Holland, and it found a decreasing rate among trans women, and the same rate for trans men.

Firstly, multiple studies say the majority of teenagers with gender dysphoria de transition by adulthood.

http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html?m=1

Keeping in mind that we are experiencing a trend of rapid onset gender dysphoria due to children being impressionable and exposed to disgusting propaganda, why would we encourage these kids to permanently butcher their bodies and massively increase their chance of suicide?

From your link -- in the larger, post-2000 studies, about one-third of kids with gender identity disorder went on to be transgender adults. So I think it shouldn't be assumed that kids with gender dysphoria will grow up to be transgender, but conversely, it also shouldn't be assumed that they *won't* be transgender as adults. One-third is a large chance.

Your assumption here is that if kids are just firmly told "don't be trans" that they'll stop being transgender and their suicide rates will improve. I don't think that assumption is warranted. I don't have statistics specific to U.S. transgender kids, but the study that I've seen is that the historic rate of transgender suicide was just as high. I don't claim to know what approach is best, but as I noted earlier - the country and state trends don't support your view that cultural leftism results in higher suicide generally.

In the U.S., the overall teen suicide rate decreased from 1995 to 2007 or so, and then increased from 2007 to the present - and are now back up to close to the early 1990s levels.


Source: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/wr/mm6630a6.htm

I don't think this trend is as simple as anything about left vs right. I think it is being driven by other trends.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2021, 10:03:30 AM »
Bleh not worth it.

Furries will be the next.
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2021, 12:48:03 PM »
Bleh not worth it.

Furries will be the next.
Local HS has a standard dress code policy (No hats, no distracting or offensive clothing, must cover certain amounts of the skin, etc.), but allows fake tails and animal ear headbands, because they "want to be inclusive of the sexuality".

A sexuality.   Of pretending to be animals. Sexually.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2021, 03:48:49 PM »
Bleh not worth it.

Furries will be the next.
Local HS has a standard dress code policy (No hats, no distracting or offensive clothing, must cover certain amounts of the skin, etc.), but allows fake tails and animal ear headbands, because they "want to be inclusive of the sexuality".

A sexuality.   Of pretending to be animals. Sexually.

No word of them replacing the football team's fight song with "Yiff! Yiff! Yiff!" (Repeat 12x)

Greetings!

I'm not surprised anymore. I imagine that soon, our fucked up, depraved society is going to be embracing bestiality. Bestiality and Pedophilia. Both of these are coming, an sooner rather than later.

The depraved ideology is ultimately rooted in unrestricted hedonism. Anyone voicing resistance or disapproval is to be branded a bigot an full of hate, and will thus be trampled upon as our society becomes more and more depraved. There will be no taboos, no restrictions. NONE.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2021, 06:32:46 PM »
Bleh not worth it.

Furries will be the next.
Local HS has a standard dress code policy (No hats, no distracting or offensive clothing, must cover certain amounts of the skin, etc.), but allows fake tails and animal ear headbands, because they "want to be inclusive of the sexuality".

A sexuality.   Of pretending to be animals. Sexually.

No word of them replacing the football team's fight song with "Yiff! Yiff! Yiff!" (Repeat 12x)

Get out of here. Seriously?

So species and gender dysphoria. Well they are near each other in the DSM-V for a reason I suppose.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2021, 02:36:10 PM »
I imagine that soon, our fucked up, depraved society is going to be embracing bestiality. Bestiality and Pedophilia. Both of these are coming, an sooner rather than later.

The depraved ideology is ultimately rooted in unrestricted hedonism. Anyone voicing resistance or disapproval is to be branded a bigot an full of hate, and will thus be trampled upon as our society becomes more and more depraved. There will be no taboos, no restrictions. NONE.

For me, this fails a basic reality check. The LGBT people I know are not depraved hedonists any more than the straight people I know. There are some hedonistic gay people -- but there are also plenty of hedonistic straight people.

It's a generic and baseless argument that if someone is opposed to *any* law or taboo, that therefore they must believe in complete anarchy.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2021, 08:16:37 PM »

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I'm not surprised anymore. I imagine that soon, our fucked up, depraved society is going to be embracing bestiality. Bestiality and Pedophilia. Both of these are coming, an sooner rather than later.

The depraved ideology is ultimately rooted in unrestricted hedonism. Anyone voicing resistance or disapproval is to be branded a bigot an full of hate, and will thus be trampled upon as our society becomes more and more depraved. There will be no taboos, no restrictions. NONE.

Well bestiality is IIRC totally legal in Germany nowadays, and well while technically not pedophilia and withing Good Ol' Times marriage standards, there are countries of Europe with 14 y.o. being consent age.
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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2021, 02:45:23 AM »
Well bestiality is IIRC totally legal in Germany nowadays

Your source for this, I'd really like to know. Always suspected my elderly neighbor was pulling his Shepherd's line all too hard.

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What's going to divide folks next is not a social space or an ideology - it's gonna be a wealth space. The West is going to look a whole lot more like the 19th century than the 20th, in the coming decades. Transportation and travel is going become less and less affordable for normal people, as is access to "premium" education; on the other end, prenatal testing and computer technology are going to enter a territory we've only known so far from science-fiction. Give this another twenty years while Western population increasingly obsesses about political correctness and our own Romanticized ideas of proper statehood (second ammendment, yadda, yadda) and we're going to wake up in a world that looks way more like the Joel Kinnaman "Robo Cop" movie, or even "Blade Runner".

You can have all the guns - or all the trans babies, for that matter - that you want as long you leave the drone soldiers, the fuel, and the books to me. Oh, yeah, and the healthier children, of course, because you can't afford that on YOUR salary, mate. Give this a hundred years, and we're going to move from the mildly Orwellian to the outright Melnibonean.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2021, 09:52:09 AM »
What's going to divide folks next is not a social space or an ideology - it's gonna be a wealth space. The West is going to look a whole lot more like the 19th century than the 20th, in the coming decades. Transportation and travel is going become less and less affordable for normal people, as is access to "premium" education; on the other end, prenatal testing and computer technology are going to enter a territory we've only known so far from science-fiction. Give this another twenty years while Western population increasingly obsesses about political correctness and our own Romanticized ideas of proper statehood (second ammendment, yadda, yadda) and we're going to wake up in a world that looks way more like the Joel Kinnaman "Robo Cop" movie, or even "Blade Runner".

You can have all the guns - or all the trans babies, for that matter - that you want as long you leave the drone soldiers, the fuel, and the books to me. Oh, yeah, and the healthier children, of course, because you can't afford that on YOUR salary, mate. Give this a hundred years, and we're going to move from the mildly Orwellian to the outright Melnibonean.

What's the alternative? What would have to happen to avoid this division?