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Author Topic: What will divide us next?  (Read 9604 times)

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2021, 11:52:45 AM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2021, 12:52:24 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

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What's the alternative?

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2021, 01:18:41 PM »
What's going to divide folks next is not a social space or an ideology - it's gonna be a wealth space. The West is going to look a whole lot more like the 19th century than the 20th, in the coming decades. Transportation and travel is going become less and less affordable for normal people, as is access to "premium" education; on the other end, prenatal testing and computer technology are going to enter a territory we've only known so far from science-fiction. Give this another twenty years while Western population increasingly obsesses about political correctness and our own Romanticized ideas of proper statehood (second ammendment, yadda, yadda) and we're going to wake up in a world that looks way more like the Joel Kinnaman "Robo Cop" movie, or even "Blade Runner".

You can have all the guns - or all the trans babies, for that matter - that you want as long you leave the drone soldiers, the fuel, and the books to me. Oh, yeah, and the healthier children, of course, because you can't afford that on YOUR salary, mate. Give this a hundred years, and we're going to move from the mildly Orwellian to the outright Melnibonean.
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
What's the alternative?

I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2021, 01:41:27 PM »
What's going to divide folks next is not a social space or an ideology - it's gonna be a wealth space. The West is going to look a whole lot more like the 19th century than the 20th, in the coming decades. Transportation and travel is going become less and less affordable for normal people, as is access to "premium" education; on the other end, prenatal testing and computer technology are going to enter a territory we've only known so far from science-fiction. Give this another twenty years while Western population increasingly obsesses about political correctness and our own Romanticized ideas of proper statehood (second ammendment, yadda, yadda) and we're going to wake up in a world that looks way more like the Joel Kinnaman "Robo Cop" movie, or even "Blade Runner".

You can have all the guns - or all the trans babies, for that matter - that you want as long you leave the drone soldiers, the fuel, and the books to me. Oh, yeah, and the healthier children, of course, because you can't afford that on YOUR salary, mate. Give this a hundred years, and we're going to move from the mildly Orwellian to the outright Melnibonean.
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
What's the alternative?

I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

  I do not think it is as simple to say "wealthy", because by world standards, almost everyone in the USA is wealthy, and you for example I am certain would probably be considered wealthy even according to Wealth standards in the USA.   Should we limit the massive influence of conglomerates that really run the country?  Yes, but saying wealthy IMO hides the people who want to run things who also happen to have access to resources. 

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2021, 01:43:45 PM »
   As for things that might divide people, I would say the Rittenhouse trial is going to draw some sharp lines between people for sure.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2021, 02:39:11 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2021, 03:33:18 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

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Those would be great floorplans for a mini-arcology in Gamma World.
And incredibly boring to search again and again and...

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2021, 03:46:08 PM »
What's the alternative?

I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

Something like this?

https://www.rdwolff.com/wealth_inequality_ancient_egypt

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2021, 03:50:36 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2021, 05:14:39 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
Those would be great floorplans for a mini-arcology in Gamma World.
And incredibly boring to search again and again and...
Only if you have a bad referee. I was thinking badders throwing up barriers and gates barriers, knocked down walls, walls that were chewed throught by something, collapsed holes in the floor, giant trees growing up through the building, flooded levels, a death machine crashed into the side of the building muttering something about bubble car fuel doesn't melt duralloy, etc.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2021, 05:44:57 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
Those would be great floorplans for a mini-arcology in Gamma World.
And incredibly boring to search again and again and...
Only if you have a bad referee. I was thinking badders throwing up barriers and gates barriers, knocked down walls, walls that were chewed throught by something, collapsed holes in the floor, giant trees growing up through the building, flooded levels, a death machine crashed into the side of the building muttering something about bubble car fuel doesn't melt duralloy, etc.
So just your ordinary university dorm then?

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2021, 05:49:47 PM »
Rafael has a point. Check this shit out.

https://www.independent.com/2021/10/28/architect-resigns-in-protest-over-ucsb-mega-dorm/

Stay in your box, peasant. Eat bugs and own nothing and be happy.
Those would be great floorplans for a mini-arcology in Gamma World.
And incredibly boring to search again and again and...
Only if you have a bad referee. I was thinking badders throwing up barriers and gates barriers, knocked down walls, walls that were chewed throught by something, collapsed holes in the floor, giant trees growing up through the building, flooded levels, a death machine crashed into the side of the building muttering something about bubble car fuel doesn't melt duralloy, etc.
So just your ordinary university dorm then?
Some PCs will roll crippling disabilities. So, yes.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #87 on: November 03, 2021, 02:06:39 PM »
I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

  I do not think it is as simple to say "wealthy", because by world standards, almost everyone in the USA is wealthy, and you for example I am certain would probably be considered wealthy even according to Wealth standards in the USA.   Should we limit the massive influence of conglomerates that really run the country?  Yes, but saying wealthy IMO hides the people who want to run things who also happen to have access to resources.

How would you phrase it, then? The top 1%, maybe?

I think the core point is that corporate influence on the country is huge -- and has been increasing, driving greater inequality. The question is, do we divide ourselves further or recognize this as a common cause, even if we have other differences?

For what it's worth, I'm in the top 10% of wealth and income, but not the top 5% or 1%.

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #88 on: November 03, 2021, 03:11:21 PM »
I think the alternative is for those who are opposed to corporate overlords to unite and make practical changes to reduce the increasing power of the wealthy. Within the U.S., at least, wealth and income inequality have been increasing for many decades - since the 1980s. The wealthy's common response is that "a rising tide lifts all boats" -- i.e. that we shouldn't care about how the rich are getting richer, because the middle class and poor still getting better smart phones and TVs and so forth. I don't agree about this. The cost of housing and higher education, especially, are increasing markedly for most people -- and cheaper smart phones are no substitute.

Neither the mainstream Democrats nor Republicans are doing anything effective to change this.

I think the alternative is for there to be a push from voters to demand real action about this - rather than just blind loyalty to party or faction. There's a large fraction of both Democrats and Republican voters who are on board with limiting corporate power and reducing the corrupt advantages of the wealthy.

  I do not think it is as simple to say "wealthy", because by world standards, almost everyone in the USA is wealthy, and you for example I am certain would probably be considered wealthy even according to Wealth standards in the USA.   Should we limit the massive influence of conglomerates that really run the country?  Yes, but saying wealthy IMO hides the people who want to run things who also happen to have access to resources.

How would you phrase it, then? The top 1%, maybe?

I think the core point is that corporate influence on the country is huge -- and has been increasing, driving greater inequality. The question is, do we divide ourselves further or recognize this as a common cause, even if we have other differences?

For what it's worth, I'm in the top 10% of wealth and income, but not the top 5% or 1%.

But what does that really mean?  You can be in the top 10% as compared to the rest of the US ( which automatically makes you in top 10% across most other countries as well) but you could be struggling - it's the same problem whether you are a person or a government - it's not how much you take in, it's what are your expenses.

"My mortgage is $300,000" is a shitbox in NJ, NY, LA, SF, DC, etc. but is a palacial estate in Nebraska, Mississippi, or Wyoming.  Even within the same state it might be a vast difference in what you get for the same price depending upon which town you live in.

Given that inflation continues to rise, we'll soon all be Venezuelan millionaires...

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Re: What will divide us next?
« Reply #89 on: November 03, 2021, 08:43:25 PM »
Greetings!

"GET FUCKED! Confederate Country!" The chief of social media operations of candidate McAulliff's gubernatorial race campaign tweeted out to Republicans that oppose the Liberal, cock-sucking Democrats and their hate-filled ideologies and policies.

Such love, tolerance, and respect from a filthy, Liberal cock-sucking Marxist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/get-f-confederate-country-mcauliffe-staffer-goes-on-graphic-social-media-tirade-following-youngkin-win/ar-AAQhUTf?ocid=spartanntp

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