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3catcircus:
--- Quote from: Rafael on November 04, 2021, 03:52:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on November 04, 2021, 02:21:28 AM ---It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.
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Completely agree with you there. Government is made by people, and they are going to act just as selfishly as anyone else if you let them. Just take this story, from a year ago:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/congress-insider-trading-problem/608488/
But that's why we supposedly have a system of checks and balances in place. And if the system has stopped working as it should, then we need to adapt it so it works more efficiently again. If politicians are doing a "half-assed job", it's the public's responsibility to properly motivate them - for example, by reducing their possibilities to connect every decision they make to them making some sort of extra salary. That's what the democratic system is literally designed for.
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But isn't that the root of the problem? "The Government" or "The Company" is treated like a person without having the accountability of a person. No, the government didn't decide on something - the *people* elected or appointed or hired into that government made the decision. Likewise, a corporation didn't make a decision, the C-suite or board of directors made a decision or set a policy.
The collective *we* need to stop blaming nameless, faceless entities and start holding accountable the people shielded by their association with those entities. Name names. Fire people. Try and convict people. Make it so that corrupt people will no longer see government "service" as a viable career. Make it so that sociopaths are weeded out from positions of authority in publicly-held corporations. It would help to have term limits for elected officials and it would help if interlocking corporate directorships were unlawful.
KingCheops:
--- Quote from: SHARK on November 03, 2021, 10:44:24 PM ---Ummm...but Virginia just voted in a BLACK AMERICAN WOMAN as Lieutenant Governor of the state of Virginia. She is also a veteran of the US Marine Corps, and regularly takes photos carrying an AR-15 "Assault Rifle." I understand she's very Conservative, very pro-gun, and very much against the cock-sucking SJW's.
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She's originally from Jamaica so she understands and loves what makes America so special and unique.
Pat
BANNED:
--- Quote from: Rafael on November 04, 2021, 03:20:10 AM ---
--- Quote from: Pat on November 04, 2021, 01:59:56 AM ---So you want history to stop? We can never spend money on something that might advance the human race, and allow us to escape this planet? We have to spend all our money on wasteful projects run by politicians and their buddies who get rich while pointing to the misery they caused and claiming that yes, just another $100 trillion more and it'll be fixed, we swear, this time?
That's literally the most evil thing I can imagine.
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Naah. That's just your Reaganism struggling to explain things beyond its limits. This is not about "history stopping"; it's a Botswana Hunting Trip question. "With great power comes great responsibility" - only for plebeians like you and me, or also for these modern patricians? Or does their high bank account exempt them from scrutiny as long as they're bold?
Also, the key word in what you're saying there is "might". Are you seriously expecting Jeff Bezos to help YOU escape the planet? Like, ever read up on working conditions at Amazon's warehouse facilities? Are you sure you want a guy who is cool with that to spearhead "human advancement"? --- Because I'm not so sure I want that. Rather than that, I'd have Bezos give the same money to NASA; he can have his face plastered on the whole thing, for all I care, but the actual decisions should be made by people who are educated in the field, not by rich guys who've been watching too much "Starcom".
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Reaganism? Oh, you're one of those idiots who sees the world as two boxes, and anyone who disagrees with you is stuffed in the box you label "other". That box is random collection of all the random things you don't like. You're incapable of listening to what other people say or understanding what they believe, because in your hypersimplistic view everything that's not You gets lumped together and possesses the exact same properties.
Bezos has created an efficient system. So efficient, that billions of people have voluntarily given him billions of dollars. It's democracy in its purest form, with people voting with their money. Name one government that has done the same. While there are fuckloads of problems with wealth inequality, but here's the trick: Almost all of the problems were caused by the government. You're blaming Bezos, when you should be blaming people like Pelosi or McConnell. Most of those issues are rooted in special favors for cronies that favor the rich over the ordinary people, combined with massive debt and monetary manipulation.
The government does not create comparably efficient systems. The 1960s and 1970s were glorious exploration, but what were the 1980s? A shuttle service. And then they turned American astronauts into hitchhikers. The unmanned programs have been successful, but at a huge cost. In contrast, Space X, Blue Origin, and so on are taking people to space again, and doing it on a shoestring budget.
And you're on the side of perpetual totalitarianism. Yay.
Pat
BANNED:
--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on November 04, 2021, 02:21:28 AM ---It's always boggled me that people put stock in government acting "better" than private citizens. We see the President, and congress, etc, flying about in private jets, enjoying health care perks, and making deals with corporations that secure their wealth and power while doing a half-assed job on the occasional project or plan that they campaigned on.
This is my non-partisan critique of all government, not just "those people". Both parties are guilty, and both get re-elected because they've locked down the process where we nominate new candidates.
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Anyone who wants to see how it works should search for "Pelosi stocks".
It's only insider trading if you're in the private sector.
Chris24601:
--- Quote from: GriswaldTerrastone on October 12, 2021, 11:12:47 PM ---It is no coincidence that everything has become subjective (transsexuals e.g.). Recently there have been tests to "determine" your actual age, making that subjective. Therefore, you can identify as a seven-year-old, even if you are forty. I shouldn't have to tell you where THAT is going.
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A bit far back in the thread, but THIS is the answer to the latest mandate insanity. I hereby identify as a four-year old and therefore am ineligible for all jabs and urge everyone else to identify as four as well.
Use their own logic to mock them.
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