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What to do about social media corporations?

Started by jhkim, January 13, 2021, 04:23:51 PM

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Spinachcat

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on January 29, 2021, 09:54:26 PM
C) Politely inform them that they offended you and ask them to be more sensitive in the future

Fuck you and your sensitivity, both now and in the future.

Spinachcat

Quote from: Shasarak on February 04, 2021, 03:09:15 PM
They dont even need to deplatform people when they can just crush them under the algorithm.

True, but they love removing wrongthinkers as a show of virtue.

The only way forward is a strict separation of Publishers vs. Platforms. But that's not happening under the Xiden regime. If anything, Big Tech will be given more powers to crackdown on wrongthink until places like Gab will have to exist only on the dark web.

I won't be surprised when Zucky & Osama Bin Dorsey write the new section 230 language to require every online site, domain registrar, and hosting service to remove "hate speech" and "misinformation" when notified of its existence.

Posting how the election was stolen will be treated the same as posting child porn.

KingCheops

Quote from: Spinachcat on February 04, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Posting how the election was stolen will be treated the same as posting child porn.

That means it's totally A-Okay to post about the election being stolen because Jack and Twitter have exactly ZERO problem with Child Porn.  MAPs are just misunderstood... you fucking bigot!  They don't actually exploit children...they just choke the snake looking at images of OTHER people abusing children.  Totally victimless!

Mjollnir

Quote from: myleftnut on January 14, 2021, 12:47:21 AM
What we should do?  Break them up as monopolies


What we will do?  Cry and whine while they gain more power.

Mandate that they uphold the First Amendment or their executives go to prison.

RandyB

What should we do?

delenda est

Beyond their conduct, the services they offer are clearly a net negative. We would be better off without those services at all.

Brad

Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 08:59:03 AM
What should we do?

delenda est

Beyond their conduct, the services they offer are clearly a net negative. We would be better off without those services at all.


100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

RandyB

Quote from: Brad on February 26, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 08:59:03 AM
What should we do?

delenda est

Beyond their conduct, the services they offer are clearly a net negative. We would be better off without those services at all.


100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.

Yes.

Social media capitalized on previous generations of undermining Western Civilization, and it has been even more devastating thereby.

jhkim

Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: Brad on February 26, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.

Social media capitalized on previous generations of undermining Western Civilization, and it has been even more devastating thereby.

I agree that social media is a net negative, but I also think that people of all political views are still inclined to use it. (Also, taking out the Internet as a whole would also collapse a huge amount of useful communication.) If I could wave a magic wand and have people not use Twitter and Facebook and similar, I would totally do that. But magic doesn't exist.

Taking the Internet down or making Twitter illegal isn't a workable approach. We need a cultural shift for people to not *want* to use it. I wonder if education should play a part here, and kids should have school classes that cover responsible media use. Because the trend definitely seems to be even more social media use in younger generations.

Brad

Quote from: jhkim on February 26, 2021, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: Brad on February 26, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.

Social media capitalized on previous generations of undermining Western Civilization, and it has been even more devastating thereby.

I agree that social media is a net negative, but I also think that people of all political views are still inclined to use it. (Also, taking out the Internet as a whole would also collapse a huge amount of useful communication.) If I could wave a magic wand and have people not use Twitter and Facebook and similar, I would totally do that. But magic doesn't exist.

Taking the Internet down or making Twitter illegal isn't a workable approach. We need a cultural shift for people to not *want* to use it. I wonder if education should play a part here, and kids should have school classes that cover responsible media use. Because the trend definitely seems to be even more social media use in younger generations.

LOL why would government run schools want to get rid of their most effective brainwashing tool?
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

oggsmash

Quote from: jhkim on February 26, 2021, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: Brad on February 26, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.

Social media capitalized on previous generations of undermining Western Civilization, and it has been even more devastating thereby.

I agree that social media is a net negative, but I also think that people of all political views are still inclined to use it. (Also, taking out the Internet as a whole would also collapse a huge amount of useful communication.) If I could wave a magic wand and have people not use Twitter and Facebook and similar, I would totally do that. But magic doesn't exist.

Taking the Internet down or making Twitter illegal isn't a workable approach. We need a cultural shift for people to not *want* to use it. I wonder if education should play a part here, and kids should have school classes that cover responsible media use. Because the trend definitely seems to be even more social media use in younger generations.

  I have to LOL on this one.  Fucking public schools can not even teach kids basic financial responsibility, or most likely, have no interest in doing so as their real masters dont want them financially competent.  I think the only teaching for social media should come from parents, and it needs to be 100 percent abstinence.

oggsmash

Quote from: Brad on February 27, 2021, 02:30:38 PM
Quote from: jhkim on February 26, 2021, 03:21:58 PM
Quote from: RandyB on February 26, 2021, 11:24:59 AM
Quote from: Brad on February 26, 2021, 10:09:01 AM
100% true. For all the benefits that social media offers, it has such a huge downside that it might actually be the most dangerous tool used to bring down Western civilization. No hyperbole. What we need is a massive internet blackout for about a month or two and I guarantee 95% of the alleged problems that exist in the Western world would disappear.

Social media capitalized on previous generations of undermining Western Civilization, and it has been even more devastating thereby.

I agree that social media is a net negative, but I also think that people of all political views are still inclined to use it. (Also, taking out the Internet as a whole would also collapse a huge amount of useful communication.) If I could wave a magic wand and have people not use Twitter and Facebook and similar, I would totally do that. But magic doesn't exist.

Taking the Internet down or making Twitter illegal isn't a workable approach. We need a cultural shift for people to not *want* to use it. I wonder if education should play a part here, and kids should have school classes that cover responsible media use. Because the trend definitely seems to be even more social media use in younger generations.

LOL why would government run schools want to get rid of their most effective brainwashing tool?
heh, or maybe their second most effective brainwashing tool after said government schools. I guess its a race for number 1 these days.

Brad

It's amusing to me that certain sorts of people always talk about education as if you can only learn things in a formalized setting with a government-mandated curriculum. It's like their brains refuse to acknowledge the existence of parents who should be publicly humiliating their kids for doing stupid shit like using social media.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Tubesock Army

looks like our own beloved Admin has the solution to the social media problem. He's trying to share it on Twitter, but apparently, a noted constitutional lawyer is having a hard time understanding Pundit's explanation of the First Amendment. Check it out! You'll laugh! You'll cry (from laughing so hard)!

https://twitter.com/KasimirUrbanski/status/1477775943326482432

Daztur

Quote from: Tubesock Army on January 02, 2022, 07:47:05 PM
looks like our own beloved Admin has the solution to the social media problem. He's trying to share it on Twitter, but apparently, a noted constitutional lawyer is having a hard time understanding Pundit's explanation of the First Amendment. Check it out! You'll laugh! You'll cry (from laughing so hard)!

https://twitter.com/KasimirUrbanski/status/1477775943326482432

The First Amendment specifically is a lot different than Free Speech more generally. If Pundy banned me because I called him an asshole that would limit my free speech but that wouldn't violate the First Amendment.

You get a lot of bizarrely narrow definition of Free Speech in some corners were NOTHING that doesn't specifically violate the First Amendment has anything to do with Free Speech.

Pat

Quote from: Daztur on January 02, 2022, 08:30:50 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on January 02, 2022, 07:47:05 PM
looks like our own beloved Admin has the solution to the social media problem. He's trying to share it on Twitter, but apparently, a noted constitutional lawyer is having a hard time understanding Pundit's explanation of the First Amendment. Check it out! You'll laugh! You'll cry (from laughing so hard)!

https://twitter.com/KasimirUrbanski/status/1477775943326482432

The First Amendment specifically is a lot different than Free Speech more generally. If Pundy banned me because I called him an asshole that would limit my free speech but that wouldn't violate the First Amendment.

You get a lot of bizarrely narrow definition of Free Speech in some corners were NOTHING that doesn't specifically violate the First Amendment has anything to do with Free Speech.
Yes, that happens a lot. And it doesn't seem to be possible to make any of those people realize that freedom of speech might be more than a single law passed in 1789.