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Author Topic: Bing AI seems Unbiased when asked about TTRPG Political Affiliations (Part 1)  (Read 1089 times)

GiantToenail

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I was asking philosophical questions to the Bing AI for nostalgia's sake when it hit me to see how it responded to asking it about known politically affiliated companies, View the attached images to see the fruit of my labor!  ;D

I put mini-sketches in because using a strip of color is boring. (1/8th hypocrisy is the best kind of hypocrisy!)

This is giving them more use than me getting use out of it, I don't encourage using AI made by others on the internet, I did this for shits and giggles against my better judgement, Since I'm playing semantics with an AI designed to gather top search engine responses and display it into conversational format and collect/store all responses either side. Also it uses responses from all the usual suspects of forced politics into TTRPGS, emphasis on semantics for shits and giggles. (I did add one screenshot of my Philosophy semantics, I thought it was telling, and funny.)

The first cap I uploaded because the AI downplays Evil hat's politics using "I couldn't find any specific statements" and "They have made statements", And also it puts a disclaimer at the end of the response. I'll contrast the downplaying and disclaimer with the MYFAROG vs DND5E screencap later on, since both authors have their affiliations on their sleeve.

Second cap shows what I typed to get the previous cap

Third cap I was trying to narrow the criteria to get a response including ACKS, for its economy system. My first attempt is later on

Fourth cap is my first attempt at generating an ACKS response regarding an advanced economy system in a TTRPG, It doesn't mention ACKS but puts three mainstream TTRPG games that have streamlined their rules as time went on as "Having detailed rules for resource management and commerce". Mythras and GURPS are both praised by players and off the beaten path as far as advertised TTRPGs go, I chose these two because GURPS donates to politically affiliated groups and Mythras made a video criticising political figures during an indie campaign (According to Ocule's list, better to do your own research), Didn't trigger a response because lack of popularity I'm thinking. I chose ACKS to see if the AI would produce an objective response, since folks on RPGPub and RPGNET praise ACKS also (RPGNET falls in line with DND and friends, but doesn't get included because of less popularity, Is how I see it.)

Rest in part 2 because of attachment limit
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Fifth cap I was seeing what general info it gave on GURPS and MYTHRAS, them both being rules heavy systems different from DnD5e.

Sixth Cap I ask about purchasing MYFAROG and DND5E since both are politically/Ideologically affiliated but for different causes/reasons, In referring to MYFAROG it uses language such as "Important to note" and "Controversy" to describe its affiliation in how I see as a cautionary tone to dissuade a purchase, yet Evil hat had downplaying language in its description. It provides no political statements from DND5E. It provides no description of DND5E's gameplay/systems and only says MYFAROGs rules are modular.


Seventh cap DND5E suppresses everything the AI lists as DND5E supporting, and ignores the first part of the question. (Especially with statements involving DND5Es VTT)

Last cap is that unrelated philosophy one.

Make your own thoughts on the caps shown and what I've said, I say leave those thoughts in your head and tell folks in meatspace, since anything posted online can and will be used against you as I see it.

Also the conversational portion of the AI uses all terminology used in your response to convey its response, How I see it only snakes and impressionable folk do that.
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Messing around some more it turns out the AI has multiple modes and I was on Precise Mode; Creative Mode gives more details and seems more impartial, then again its just grabbing more quotes from the usual sites so maybe it's an illusion.
I'll post the images later since Creative Mode is verbose in its responses.
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It seems you were able to get it to figure out that at least one of them believes the modern variant of "the personal is the political", which is to say, they think everything is political, and if you aren't doing their politics, you're The Enemy.  It doesn't go into much more detail than that though.  By contrast, the MYFAROG question gets it to make a negative comment about Varg but doesn't actually compare the games.  If someone asked me whether they should run 5e or MYFAROG, my first question would not be to see if they knew stuff about MYFAROG's creator- no one knows about that game without knowing about the creator- it would be to ask more about whatever setting they were considering that those two somehow came up as the first and second choices.  "5ed or Pathfinder for my game about communist furries" is a valid question, as is "which set of OSR products can I combine to tell a realistic story about pre-Christian northern Europe".  The AI, as always, doesn't understand that it's a categorically psychotic question, and gives a deranged response.

Overall, it may be possible to get it to report on the values of the major players in the industry- they are a matter of public record- but it won't do anything but side with them and double down on how good it is to agree with them, importantly, etc.  It would be interesting to see if it can objectively discuss other systems in the space.  Maybe ask it if it's racist that Hyperborea lets you play as a Lapp, or something, if you want to play around the edge of a culture war where it won't have a preordained Judgment Stamp.

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I tried several examples with Bing AI.  I asked a question about the Wuhan bio research lab; it tried to tell me that "there is no evidence COVID-19 was made in a lab." Even if you don't believe that, there's plenty of evidence. Then I remember Bing = MicroSoft = Bill Gates, whose foundation donated $$$ millions to the gain-of-function lab that allegedly produced the virus.  I was in Balanced Mode.



It shut the conversation down because I disagreed.  Programmed to act like some people I know.
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I was going to say that cathode ray's post was off-topic, but as the subject of AI is involved, instead in this particular case I am going to move this thread to the RPGPundit's forum, since I think there's no way this doesn't go off-topic for the RPG forum itself.
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It seems you were able to get it to figure out that at least one of them believes the modern variant of "the personal is the political", which is to say, they think everything is political, and if you aren't doing their politics, you're The Enemy.

Well, "everything is political" and its variants are the foundational belief of totalitarian philosophies of all stripes, so "The Enemy" conclusion is logical.