What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

[Orphan81]

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The Jews are *NOT* Responsible for modern day Anti-white Rheotirc. The evidence is right there. They are not the ones who created the theories, wrote the books, or perpetuated the beliefs.

The mass Immigration in Europe and America is not being Led by or championed by Jews. Angela Merkel is Not a Jew. Joe Biden is Not a Jew. Barak Obama was not a Jew. HIllary Clinton is Not a Jew.  Jeremy Corbyn is not a Jew. Macron is not a Jew.

Stop blaming Jews for shit they didn't do! You are literally just propagating Anti-Jewish sentiment by blaming them for shit they're not part of.

Yeah they're are some commie Jews, but none of them are the ones behind the "White people are evil" and "The West must make up for it's crimes and import minorities from around the world."

That's just plain old ordinary RICH white people feeling guilt and doing it to themselves.

cf. attachment.

Oh Hey, another Antisemite who believes in Conspiracy theories shows us his asshole.
Thanks for letting me know I can dismiss you right away!

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Oh and after reading your link from the Ranting Anrachist who thinks Gaza, Egypt and Jordan could take down Israel if they all teamed up, I know you're just a dumb ass idiot.
Because you know.... It's not like that hasn't happened.... Multiple times in the last 70 years... and always ended with Israel defeating every single one of them and increasing it's territory *again*.

[Spinachcat]

What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

Step 1: Cook up bacon cheeseburgers.

Step 2: Laugh hysterically.

Step 3: Enjoy bacon cheeseburger while watching the Shit Leftists attacking each other!

Step 4: Continue laughing hysterically knowing that MANY people are noticing MANY things they've been told they're not allowed to notice.

Hmmm, will Whitey FINALLY wake the fuck up???

We will see.

What would that day look like when Dumb Whitey shakes out of his suicidal slumber and realizes that EVERY other ethnic group on the Earth is allowed to band together in their own ethnic self-interest? What if Dumb Whitey were to say, hey we're gonna do EXACTLY the same thing?

I doubt that day will ever come before our destruction, but it's fun to imagine nice things while America continues to fall.

[Orphan81]

What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

Step 1: Cook up bacon cheeseburgers.

Step 2: Laugh hysterically.

Step 3: Enjoy bacon cheeseburger while watching the Shit Leftists attacking each other!

Step 4: Continue laughing hysterically knowing that MANY people are noticing MANY things they've been told they're not allowed to notice.

Hmmm, will Whitey FINALLY wake the fuck up???

We will see.

What would that day look like when Dumb Whitey shakes out of his suicidal slumber and realizes that EVERY other ethnic group on the Earth is allowed to band together in their own ethnic self-interest? What if Dumb Whitey were to say, hey we're gonna do EXACTLY the same thing?

I doubt that day will ever come before our destruction, but it's fun to imagine nice things while America continues to fall.

Ya know the thing is,  used to consider you a pretty interesting forum member Spinichcat. But you are literally a Blatant racist... and not in the leftist sense... an actual honest to god racist who believes Jews are part of some vast conspiracy to undermine white America...

"Noticing Things." Holy shit dude, what do you think we're supposed to be noticing? The type of talk you're going with... the whole "We need to notice these things about the Jews" and "The Jews are against white America", that's the shit that led to the Holocaust in the first place..

But hey, I've 'noticed' some things too..... That typically the people who think there's some kind of Zionist conspiracy or that Jews secretly control things from behind the scenes... those types of people tend to be *LOSERS* when it comes to their actual lives. Envy at someone better than you is a Helluva of a thing... and man does it lead to people like you pushing towards this kind of bullshit, because they need a scapegoat rather than take responsibility for why they're unhappy in their own lives.

[Exploderwizard]

What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

Step 1: Cook up bacon cheeseburgers.

Step 2: Laugh hysterically.

Step 3: Enjoy bacon cheeseburger while watching the Shit Leftists attacking each other!

Step 4: Continue laughing hysterically knowing that MANY people are noticing MANY things they've been told they're not allowed to notice.

Hmmm, will Whitey FINALLY wake the fuck up???

We will see.

What would that day look like when Dumb Whitey shakes out of his suicidal slumber and realizes that EVERY other ethnic group on the Earth is allowed to band together in their own ethnic self-interest? What if Dumb Whitey were to say, hey we're gonna do EXACTLY the same thing?

I doubt that day will ever come before our destruction, but it's fun to imagine nice things while America continues to fall.

Ya know the thing is,  used to consider you a pretty interesting forum member Spinichcat. But you are literally a Blatant racist... and not in the leftist sense... an actual honest to god racist who believes Jews are part of some vast conspiracy to undermine white America...

"Noticing Things." Holy shit dude, what do you think we're supposed to be noticing? The type of talk you're going with... the whole "We need to notice these things about the Jews" and "The Jews are against white America", that's the shit that led to the Holocaust in the first place..

But hey, I've 'noticed' some things too..... That typically the people who think there's some kind of Zionist conspiracy or that Jews secretly control things from behind the scenes... those types of people tend to be *LOSERS* when it comes to their actual lives. Envy at someone better than you is a Helluva of a thing... and man does it lead to people like you pushing towards this kind of bullshit, because they need a scapegoat rather than take responsibility for why they're unhappy in their own lives.

HOWLS of derisive laughter Bruce! So what you are saying is that EQUALITY is racist. Every ethnic and racial group under the sun can have their own organizations and groups that look out for their interests except white people, because that would be racist. Are you really going with that? The leftist lords that be have decreed that racism needs to be eradicated EXCEPT against whites. That racism is fully approved, moreover the only racists that exist HAVE to be white. These are all accepted norms for stupid people but the reality is that the message says equality is racist.

Those who scream "racism" at the drop of a hat have no grasp of logic. Lets say that Jews are group A, and that bad elites who want to reshape the world are group B. Many in group B are members of group A, but not all of group A are members of group B.

[Brad]

This thread went about how I'd expect.

[oggsmash]

  I think there was a segment of Intellectual Jews who have been pushing a whole lot of anti white hate for a long time.  It seems to me that crap has come home to rest at jewish feet as well as "white" feet.  If you are going to rally up a massive persecuting hate monster...its always smarter to be sure the monster knows not to attack you.   Jews vote left at very high rates, so it seems to me that is the sort of thing they want (at this point democrat platforms are onboard with anti white bs the best you get from them is complete silence about it) with the anti white stuff. There are also many large and well funded organizations that push mass immigration to the west (the best of these immigrants, say catholics from SA do not tend to have any sort of collective guilt at all about things like the holocaust not that americans should have it...but programming be what it be...) that are both Jewish in nature and run by Jewish people.  Of course not all...but it seems the voting and notions around political bent sure seems like Jewish people have majority been on board for the current state of anti white and now almost by default, antisemitic BS flying around.  Looks like chickens coming home to roost.

Okay, so you're just buying into "Zionist Conspiracy" Nonsense. Yes, Jews tend to be on the Leftist and Progressive side... Considering it was prejudice and racism that led to them being the victims of Literal Genocide, this tracks and makes sense. Need we forget, that in the 80s, 90s, and 00s The Right had far more bigots, homophobes, and racists than the Left did.

As the 00s advanced to the 10s, the progressive left went so far, they pretty much invented a brand new form of racism and prejudice (modern critical race theory) while the right of the 2010s and now would largely be considered "Leftists" in the 90s and 00s.

So for one, No... the Jews are not responsible for "Anti-white" sentiments. That is fucking bullshit, and it's a 'blame the victim' narrative. "White Fragility" was written by Robin DiAngelo.... She's not a Jew.
The 1619 Project was created by Nikole Hannah Jones... Also *NOT* a Jew.

Richard Delgado is one of the creators of Critical Race theory.... NOT A JEW.

Jean Stefanic is the other creator of Critical Race theory... also NOT A JEW.

The Jews are *NOT* Responsible for modern day Anti-white Rheotirc. The evidence is right there. They are not the ones who created the theories, wrote the books, or perpetuated the beliefs.

The mass Immigration in Europe and America is not being Led by or championed by Jews. Angela Merkel is Not a Jew. Joe Biden is Not a Jew. Barak Obama was not a Jew. HIllary Clinton is Not a Jew.  Jeremy Corbyn is not a Jew. Macron is not a Jew.

Stop blaming Jews for shit they didn't do! You are literally just propagating Anti-Jewish sentiment by blaming them for shit they're not part of.

Yeah they're are some commie Jews, but none of them are the ones behind the "White people are evil" and "The West must make up for it's crimes and import minorities from around the world."

That's just plain old ordinary RICH white people feeling guilt and doing it to themselves.

  You misunderstand the point, as well as miss all the jewish people who have wrote similar books and said out loud their concerns with "whiteness".   I am not in any way saying there some Jewish movement against White people.  I am saying Jewish people vote about 70 percent democrat.  Democrats are in fact pretty much just anti white at this point.  The blowback is those anti white sentiments are falling at Jewish feet as well.   We can pretend no democrat can see its just anti white at this point I guess.  It seems you get what you vote for, and these are the things Jewish people statistically vote for.   The fact several Jewish people are vehemently against the anti white BS and are also certainly not democrats is not what appears to be the majority. 

   There are literal stacks of books written by Jewish authors going down the line of White people are evil.  Tim Wise alone has engineered more of this crap echoing around Campus than Kendi X.   My position is not all jews or even most are into the anti white position...but ignoring there are quite a few is just being dishonest.  Ignoring Jewish people are in fact majority supporting (both voting and financially) these democrats...who are openly anti white is being dishonest.  The issue I have is not that Jewish people are doing this...its that now I need to have some Huge, Overwhelming concerns around antisemitism when this anti white BS has been running rampant for how long now?   We have issues that need addressing...I just have a different priority as to what comes first.

[oggsmash]

  As for what I do think is conspiracy theory as to whether Jewish people are in some sort of secret control (which I do not believe)  can be settled pretty fast.   We can just do an analysis as to whether or not there is some disproportion of influence and power in society (I mean this is always why we can prove the USA is systemic racism...too many white men in positions of power) in the various institutions.  Anyone with time and a brain will see there is no disproportionate representation of Jewish people in government, media, or educational institutions.   So we can put that wild assertion to rest pretty fast.

[Mistwell]

What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

Step 1: Cook up bacon cheeseburgers.

Step 2: Laugh hysterically.

Step 3: Enjoy bacon cheeseburger while watching the Shit Leftists attacking each other!

Step 4: Continue laughing hysterically knowing that MANY people are noticing MANY things they've been told they're not allowed to notice.

Hmmm, will Whitey FINALLY wake the fuck up???

We will see.

What would that day look like when Dumb Whitey shakes out of his suicidal slumber and realizes that EVERY other ethnic group on the Earth is allowed to band together in their own ethnic self-interest? What if Dumb Whitey were to say, hey we're gonna do EXACTLY the same thing?

I doubt that day will ever come before our destruction, but it's fun to imagine nice things while America continues to fall.

The bigots on the left think Jews are White Europeans and therefore the oppressors, and the bigots on the right think Jews are non-whites and therefore oppressors.

[Mistwell]

This thread went about how I'd expect.

I must be naive. I didn't think it would go this wonky this quickly. I thought the thread I started about Israel might do that, but it remained more civilized than this.

[oggsmash]

What Tangible Things Can Be Done About Rising Antisemitism?

Step 1: Cook up bacon cheeseburgers.

Step 2: Laugh hysterically.

Step 3: Enjoy bacon cheeseburger while watching the Shit Leftists attacking each other!

Step 4: Continue laughing hysterically knowing that MANY people are noticing MANY things they've been told they're not allowed to notice.

Hmmm, will Whitey FINALLY wake the fuck up???

We will see.

What would that day look like when Dumb Whitey shakes out of his suicidal slumber and realizes that EVERY other ethnic group on the Earth is allowed to band together in their own ethnic self-interest? What if Dumb Whitey were to say, hey we're gonna do EXACTLY the same thing?

I doubt that day will ever come before our destruction, but it's fun to imagine nice things while America continues to fall.

The bigots on the left think Jews are White Europeans and therefore the oppressors, and the bigots on the right think Jews are non-whites and therefore oppressors.

  I guess jewish people need to be better with messaging.  You would think the ADL getting Whoopi kicked off TV for a while saying Jews were white would have sent the message.  I guess when folks like Tim Wise write books "White like me"  it adds to the confusion if you take it at surface level.   Its all a mess at this point.  Just saying antisemitism over and over is not working the way it once did when the folks leading the brigade just think white = Jewish.    Welcome to the party of being a privileged oppressor in a systemically racist nation. 

[Mistwell]

I am saying Jewish people vote about 70 percent democrat.  Democrats are in fact pretty much just anti white at this point.  The blowback is those anti white sentiments are falling at Jewish feet as well.   We can pretend no democrat can see its just anti white at this point I guess.  It seems you get what you vote for, and these are the things Jewish people statistically vote for.   The fact several Jewish people are vehemently against the anti white BS and are also certainly not democrats is not what appears to be the majority. 

I'd say 70% left, 30% right is roughly correct, not that I took a poll but that feels roughly about right. The source of that is, if I were to guess, college. As a generalization Jewish families tend to strongly believe in education and sending their kids to college, and college tends to tilt left.

I'll also say I have never, EVER, seen such a massive change in this a I've seen in since October 7. The virulent antisemitism from some on the Progressive left, and the overall silence from the non-Progressive left, is definitely turning a lot of Jews away from the Democratic party right now. I don't think many will suddenly be voting Trump (though some will) but I do think a genuinely meaningful number no longer want to associate themselves with the Progressive left and would vote for a moderate Republican over a moderate or left Democrat right now.

And given roughly half the nation leans left while the other half leans right, it's not that big a shift needed to turn Jews to about that split as well from 70-30 to 50-50 over October 7. We'll see. But I can tell you from private personal experience MANY Jews I've known for 30 years or more who were devoted Democrats and who gave me shit over the years for sometimes voting for Republicans, are suddenly linking me to story after story of Progressives being antisemitic and me going "fucker I told you I saw this during the Occupy movement and you blew me off remember?"

People think Jews are unified - we truly are not. About almost anything. One thing we tend to be though is adaptable and willing to reconsider our ideas about how things work though. Particularly when it comes to our own safety. Evolutionarily speaking most of us who are still around are here because we had the ancestors who were more willing to make sudden change and GTFO when others were sticking by their preconceived notions and naively thinking everything would be OK if they just stayed the course they were on.

So don't assume Jews will just stay the course they've been on in their politics. If individual Jews perceive the left to be suddenly dangerous, plenty will be willing to reconsider those politics. "Shit learned as theory from some leftist professor decades ago" is not as persuasive as "shit I learned today about my own safety."

[Orphan81]

As an aside... my Jewish wife is a conservative. I'm a Libertarian, I started out Leftist and went to Libertarianism around 2016... But my wife? The one that's been to Israel multiple times, and lived on an Israeli Military base doing work there shortly after she graduated High School? She's conservative. Always has been.

The rest of her family are leftists... Not progressives... leftists Jews..

But holy shit they've been going through some rough eye awakening moments with the whole Leftist Progressive thing and how they were told they're the oppressors now.

But in their defense, they stopped supporting Joe Biden 2 years into his Presidency, and they voted for him.

Anyway this is just an aside to back up what Mistwell has said... Jews are not a monolith who all believe and support the same thing. Except for one very important thing.

The one thing Jews support more than anything else as a monolith, is the survival of their people... and considering there's one of the largest religions in the world that has killing all of them as a central tenant, and considering what happened in WW2, and what we're seeing right now?

You know suddenly I forgive the ADL for over-reacting to everything. I still think the ADL is outdated and wrong on lots of fronts... but after witnessing what's going on right now? I can see *WHY* they over-react.

[Mistwell]

I guess jewish people need to be better with messaging.  You would think the ADL getting Whoopi kicked off TV for a while saying Jews were white would have sent the message.  I guess when folks like Tim Wise write books "White like me"  it adds to the confusion if you take it at surface level.   Its all a mess at this point.  Just saying antisemitism over and over is not working the way it once did when the folks leading the brigade just think white = Jewish.    Welcome to the party of being a privileged oppressor in a systemically racist nation.

ADL truly doesn't speak for Jews. We're not a unified group for most purposes. Our messaging sucks because we don't agree on almost anything and have no real unified leadership. I'd say most Jews I know are about as confused as anyone else on what we are, as long term Americans with immigrant heritage. We think of ourselves as white, with some stronger genetic strains to some regions we immigrated from, and a culture that is a mixture of American culture and Jewish culture. It's about like how Americans of Irish decent see themselves I suspect, which genetic strains tied to Ireland and a culture that is a mixture of American and Irish culture.

Jews became white for most "race-based official purposes" in America gradually as it was perceived we were doing consistently better than average. When we were all poor and living in ghettos in New York, we were non-white immigrants. When over time we were professionals and people needed stuff from us sometimes, we slowly started to be treated as white for many purposes.

A similar thing has happened to Asians. As Asians were slowly perceived to be doing consistently better than average, they went from "minority immigrant" to "treated as white" for many purposes in America.

An example of one of those times where Jews and Asians are treated as white is college admissions. If a college has a policy to bring in more "minorities" and fewer "white people," that now means "fewer Jews and Asians" too. Same goes for affirmative action policies at big companies. 

I'd say Asians tend to have it worse for those kinds of things now. Colleges are passively discriminating against white people, including Jews, right now in admissions as a result of their affirmative action goals. But I'd say they are actively discriminating against Asians these days. There is now such a thing as Applying While Asian.  College entrance application advisers are currently telling Asians to remove things from their applications which might fit a stereotype of being Asian. For example, they're told to remove chess club, violin, and math club from any application, and to not mention if you're fluent in Chinese or another language from Asia. My daughter has an Asian friend in Irish Dance, and that friends parents originally had him try Irish Dance because it was about as far from stereotypical Asian as they could find and would look much better for college admissions than the superb violin and piano skills he had.

For most purposes, "white" in America means "perceived by the left as privileged." That's it. That's all it's really a coded to mean these days for a lot of the more meaningful purposes.

[Bedrockbrendan]

I am saying Jewish people vote about 70 percent democrat.  Democrats are in fact pretty much just anti white at this point.  The blowback is those anti white sentiments are falling at Jewish feet as well.   We can pretend no democrat can see its just anti white at this point I guess.  It seems you get what you vote for, and these are the things Jewish people statistically vote for.   The fact several Jewish people are vehemently against the anti white BS and are also certainly not democrats is not what appears to be the majority. 

I'll also say I have never, EVER, seen such a massive change in this a I've seen in since October 7. The virulent antisemitism from some on the Progressive left, and the overall silence from the non-Progressive left, is definitely turning a lot of Jews away from the Democratic party right now. I don't think many will suddenly be voting Trump (though some will) but I do think a genuinely meaningful number no longer want to associate themselves with the Progressive left and would vote for a moderate Republican over a moderate or left Democrat right now.

This is something that I haven't quite seen before either. There were always strains of it on the left (especially around the Israel debate) but so much more blatantly anti-semitic statements and sentiments expressed from that quarter since October 7. I have Jewish family on my dad's side and grew up with a lot of Jewish people. I would say on average my experience is my Jewish friends are more politically mixed on the left and right than my non-Jewish friends. But then I live in the North East where things skew much more to the left (in a very Blue State).

[Mistwell]

I am saying Jewish people vote about 70 percent democrat.  Democrats are in fact pretty much just anti white at this point.  The blowback is those anti white sentiments are falling at Jewish feet as well.   We can pretend no democrat can see its just anti white at this point I guess.  It seems you get what you vote for, and these are the things Jewish people statistically vote for.   The fact several Jewish people are vehemently against the anti white BS and are also certainly not democrats is not what appears to be the majority. 

I'll also say I have never, EVER, seen such a massive change in this a I've seen in since October 7. The virulent antisemitism from some on the Progressive left, and the overall silence from the non-Progressive left, is definitely turning a lot of Jews away from the Democratic party right now. I don't think many will suddenly be voting Trump (though some will) but I do think a genuinely meaningful number no longer want to associate themselves with the Progressive left and would vote for a moderate Republican over a moderate or left Democrat right now.

This is something that I haven't quite seen before either. There were always strains of it on the left (especially around the Israel debate) but so much more blatantly anti-semitic statements and sentiments expressed from that quarter since October 7. I have Jewish family on my dad's side and grew up with a lot of Jewish people. I would say on average my experience is my Jewish friends are more politically mixed on the left and right than my non-Jewish friends. But then I live in the North East where things skew much more to the left (in a very Blue State).

I live in Los Angeles and I have a friend who was a very stereotypical progressive Jew for her whole life, from a family of long term progressive Jews. And then our craptacular Governor and craptacular 100% Democrats government started to pass laws against independent contractors "for labor rights" and she happens to be a musician who works as an independent contractor. She lost most of her gigs that she had developed as a career for decades.

And almost overnight she was suddenly critically looking at her entire belief system in terms of politics. She was constantly messaging me, her one Jewish friend who she knew sometimes voted Republican, about every issue under the sun.  Suddenly reconsidering affirmative action, support for BLM, support for increasing taxes on "the rich" and companies, environmental regulations, all sorts of stuff.

It was weird at first. She's now further right than me.

But that prepared me for the last month, and the sudden cognitive dissonance I am seeing in other progressive Jews I know.  Here are those same kinds of messages again I am getting on social media.

Weird times.