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Author Topic: What's to be done about homelessness?  (Read 22225 times)

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #135 on: April 17, 2021, 04:46:27 PM »
That doesn't work. First of all, you don't have to stuff people in empty office buildings. There are more empty homes than homeless people. But more importantly, they've tried giving homeless people homes. It doesn't work. Most of the people who are homeless are homeless because they nonfunctional in one way or another. That's why most of the give the homeless a house programs focus on the newly homeless, because there's a narrow window in there where there's actually a chance of catching someone in a bad place and helping them recover. But the long term homeless require more intensive care. If you want to give them a place to live, it will have to be an institution of some kind.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2021, 04:29:37 PM »
The problem I see with institutions where people have a room and there's a cafeteria is that they create a slum and crime zone around them but I wonder if giving the people work where they can make a little money would mitigate that possibly even paying them to clean up litter and paint fences.  Not a full time job or anything with a schedule, just show up and here's a rake type stuff and not a lot of money because giving a lump sum is asking for problems.

I guess labor laws might work against getting people off the street by making it impossible to give them work at a level that they can manage.

Of course there's a range of functionality to consider but I think if you're giving people with addictions money you have to accept that they'll buy drugs with it.  The question becomes whether you prefer they break into your house and steal your TV or rake your yard and paint your fence to get their drug money.

It's probably been tried and failed somewhere and someone here can probably tell me where and why.  Not to worry it's constructive.  You have to examine the failures to find functional solutions.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2021, 11:01:20 PM »
David J,

In my idea if a homeless person had construction or repair skills - they would be paid for repair work on the building they lived in -OR- that would be applied to eventually owning the abandoned house or building.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2021, 11:27:17 PM »
Part of the problem is that those aren't skills kids grow up with anymore.  I've occasionally thought that a drop in school might work better than a drop in center.  It gives people a place to go but it also helps them to grow.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #139 on: May 15, 2021, 08:06:54 AM »
Reopen state mental hospitals and institutionalize drug addicts, crazy people, and drug addicted crazy people.

Deport every illegal alien, including the "ones who were brought here through no fault of their own", completly end legal immigration, this will drive down the price of housing by greatly reducing the demand.

Homelessness ended.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #140 on: May 15, 2021, 08:17:53 AM »
Has anyone considered forcing the homeless to move into the richer areas of town?

I am sure that would stimulate people to solve the homeless problem a lot faster if there are hoards of roaming homeless within their walled conclaves.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #141 on: May 15, 2021, 11:12:30 AM »
 The rich would leave for a city that wanted them instead of the one that didn't.  I live in a wealthy city outside Seattle and that's exactly what is happening. 

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #142 on: May 15, 2021, 11:21:46 AM »
The rich would leave for a city that wanted them instead of the one that didn't.  I live in a wealthy city outside Seattle and that's exactly what is happening.

Indeed. The power of NIMBY rises exponentially with wealth.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #143 on: May 15, 2021, 12:57:04 PM »
The rich would leave for a city that wanted them instead of the one that didn't.  I live in a wealthy city outside Seattle and that's exactly what is happening.

Indeed. The power of NIMBY rises exponentially with wealth.
The ability to NIMBY rises with wealth. The desire stays about constant in my experience.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #144 on: May 15, 2021, 12:59:50 PM »
Reopen state mental hospitals and institutionalize drug addicts, crazy people, and drug addicted crazy people.

Deport every illegal alien, including the "ones who were brought here through no fault of their own", completly end legal immigration, this will drive down the price of housing by greatly reducing the demand.

Homelessness ended.

This is actually the solution. One of my relations is an older psychologist with experience before and after this time period. According to him the general trend of de-institutionalization was one of the worst decisions relevant to his field. Worse for people with genuine mental illness, worse for society. Now all of those people are out there, blaming other people for their own internal disorders and lack of ability to fit into normal society, organizing mobs to hurt others.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #145 on: May 15, 2021, 01:09:08 PM »
the only problem with our society is crazy people so just off em
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #146 on: May 16, 2021, 05:29:34 AM »
the only problem with our society is crazy people so just off em

The fact that people like you are allowed to vote (assuming you're not a felon, big assumption I know), highlights the flaws of universal suffrage. Frankly, sociopaths like you are exactly the type of people who should be locked away for the good of society.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #147 on: May 16, 2021, 08:56:22 AM »
the only problem with our society is crazy people so just off em

The fact that people like you are allowed to vote (assuming you're not a felon, big assumption I know), highlights the flaws of universal suffrage. Frankly, sociopaths like you are exactly the type of people who should be locked away for the good of society.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #148 on: May 16, 2021, 10:45:12 AM »
Reopen state mental hospitals and institutionalize drug addicts, crazy people, and drug addicted crazy people.

Deport every illegal alien, including the "ones who were brought here through no fault of their own", completly end legal immigration, this will drive down the price of housing by greatly reducing the demand.

Homelessness ended.
End legal immigration? We need immigration to prop up our social security and keep our population growing here in the USA.

I’d sooner support the USA annexing the hemisphere. All that land can be used to build new housing and cities and factories and whatnot. We can reduce price by increasing supply.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #149 on: May 16, 2021, 11:12:00 AM »
Here's a mildly interesting article on how they reduced homelessness in New Orleans after Katrina
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/02/19/new-orleans-reducing-homeless-hurricane-katrina
A caveat: The article doesn't play it up, but a lot of these people were homeless because of Katrina, not because of the mental health and social issues, so it probably can't be extrapolated to solve long term homelesnesss in general. But it is more evidence that catching people who have just become homeless is fairly effective.