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Author Topic: What's to be done about homelessness?  (Read 3683 times)

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2021, 04:03:26 PM »
Actually, the Seattle 2020 budget was $100M for homeless services out of a $6.5B total budget.

https://mynorthwest.com/1615977/seattle-city-council-budget-2020/
"This is the first time Seattle’s budget has cracked the $6 billion mark, and the first time it’s ever included more than $100 million for homeless services."

$100M/11751 homeless persons = $8510/homeless person
Ratman_tf prefers to stick with alternative facts for his proofs.

Wow. You didn't even let me reply before assigning an idea to me that I didn't even say. It's like you're arguing in bad faith to try and get at people instead of trying to discuss an issue. Good job, dickhead. Why didn't you point this out in your first reply? Is it possible you didn't realize it as well?

For everyone else, I stand corrected. I'll happily admit an error as long as it's being pointed out in good faith.
I told you where to look for the real numbers in my first reply to you. You just doubled down with your bullshit reading and "math" with made up numbers. You're also the one that tried to play the "do you hate the homeless" shit, so don't try to play the victim now motherfucker. Just eat your shame and let it go, because you shit the bed on this one.

Sweetheart, you're the one with a chip on your shoulder and have admitted you're here to troll people, and came at me with your bitterness in your first reply, so don't get comfortable on your high horse.

I asked a question, and even asked if I was getting it right, in the very first post. I don't pretend to know everything and ask when I'm not sure. Thankfully, other posters picked up your slack and actually posted accurate numbers instead of a vague, "Go read this 800 page budget".
I posted accurate numbers before they jumped in, but you're the dumbfucker that tried to work a math problem with numbers you didn't even understand.

As for trolling, it's not really trolling when I'm on-topic and providing accurate commentary even if I revel in pointing out your fuck up along the way. But if it makes your butthurt more bearable for you, go ahead and deluxe yourself firther.

Point out any mistakes I made besides getting the total city budget confused with the budget for the homeless programs. I was asking honest questions, and you got butthurt and lashed out like a child. We already knew you were a troll and an asshole, no better than the people you complain about. This is just more evidence towards that.
I don't even care about your opinions anymore. I just like to watch you dig your hole deeper.

To be fair $100M is quite a difference from $6.5B.  it sets your argument off as something not well researched when you start out an order of magnitude off on numbers and confuse a whole city budget with a department sub budget.

That I will admit.
In my defense I was curious as to how much money was spent on the homeless in Seattle, and this was my first foray into tat specific topic. I am not a city planner, nor an expert on homelessness spending. That's why I made the post in the first place. It was more an exploration than an argument.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2021, 04:04:50 PM »

Point out any mistakes I made besides getting the total city budget confused with the budget for the homeless programs. I was asking honest questions, and you got butthurt and lashed out like a child. We already knew you were a troll and an asshole, no better than the people you complain about. This is just more evidence towards that.
I don't even care about your opinions anymore. I just like to watch you dig your hole deeper.
HappyDaze's first reply to you pointed out a lot of things that were included in that xB$ total that didn't belong, in another post specifically told you where to look for the real number, and then in a later post provided the actual numbers. HD does troll, but not in this case. It wasn't particularly polite, but neither is your post.

Happydaze has a history of self-admitted trolling, and I escalated only after he did. (He started it! ;) ) I have no regrets about how I replied to him.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2021, 04:31:02 PM »
Actually, the Seattle 2020 budget was $100M for homeless services out of a $6.5B total budget.

https://mynorthwest.com/1615977/seattle-city-council-budget-2020/
"This is the first time Seattle’s budget has cracked the $6 billion mark, and the first time it’s ever included more than $100 million for homeless services."

$100M/11751 homeless persons = $8510/homeless person
Ratman_tf prefers to stick with alternative facts for his proofs.

Wow. You didn't even let me reply before assigning an idea to me that I didn't even say. It's like you're arguing in bad faith to try and get at people instead of trying to discuss an issue. Good job, dickhead. Why didn't you point this out in your first reply? Is it possible you didn't realize it as well?

For everyone else, I stand corrected. I'll happily admit an error as long as it's being pointed out in good faith.
I told you where to look for the real numbers in my first reply to you. You just doubled down with your bullshit reading and "math" with made up numbers. You're also the one that tried to play the "do you hate the homeless" shit, so don't try to play the victim now motherfucker. Just eat your shame and let it go, because you shit the bed on this one.

Sweetheart, you're the one with a chip on your shoulder and have admitted you're here to troll people, and came at me with your bitterness in your first reply, so don't get comfortable on your high horse.

I asked a question, and even asked if I was getting it right, in the very first post. I don't pretend to know everything and ask when I'm not sure. Thankfully, other posters picked up your slack and actually posted accurate numbers instead of a vague, "Go read this 800 page budget".
I posted accurate numbers before they jumped in, but you're the dumbfucker that tried to work a math problem with numbers you didn't even understand.

As for trolling, it's not really trolling when I'm on-topic and providing accurate commentary even if I revel in pointing out your fuck up along the way. But if it makes your butthurt more bearable for you, go ahead and deluxe yourself firther.

Point out any mistakes I made besides getting the total city budget confused with the budget for the homeless programs. I was asking honest questions, and you got butthurt and lashed out like a child. We already knew you were a troll and an asshole, no better than the people you complain about. This is just more evidence towards that.
I don't even care about your opinions anymore. I just like to watch you dig your hole deeper.

To be fair $100M is quite a difference from $6.5B.  it sets your argument off as something not well researched when you start out an order of magnitude off on numbers and confuse a whole city budget with a department sub budget.

That I will admit.
In my defense I was curious as to how much money was spent on the homeless in Seattle, and this was my first foray into tat specific topic. I am not a city planner, nor an expert on homelessness spending. That's why I made the post in the first place. It was more an exploration than an argument.

Delving into the city budget isn't as straight forward as I would have thought.  I wouldn't say it's hard but I was sort of expecting a search for city budget by year to bring up a simple chart of the total.  That wasn't the case for me. Beyond the last year or two it actually took delving into the details of the city budget to even get an annual spend. 

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2021, 04:43:59 PM »

Point out any mistakes I made besides getting the total city budget confused with the budget for the homeless programs. I was asking honest questions, and you got butthurt and lashed out like a child. We already knew you were a troll and an asshole, no better than the people you complain about. This is just more evidence towards that.
I don't even care about your opinions anymore. I just like to watch you dig your hole deeper.
HappyDaze's first reply to you pointed out a lot of things that were included in that xB$ total that didn't belong, in another post specifically told you where to look for the real number, and then in a later post provided the actual numbers. HD does troll, but not in this case. It wasn't particularly polite, but neither is your post.

Happydaze has a history of self-admitted trolling, and I escalated only after he did. (He started it! ;) ) I have no regrets about how I replied to him.
I wouldn't ask you to regret how you replied (I enjoyed watching you squirm), but your "exploration" was laughably half-assed, and that is what you should regret about this.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2021, 05:41:52 PM »

Point out any mistakes I made besides getting the total city budget confused with the budget for the homeless programs. I was asking honest questions, and you got butthurt and lashed out like a child. We already knew you were a troll and an asshole, no better than the people you complain about. This is just more evidence towards that.
I don't even care about your opinions anymore. I just like to watch you dig your hole deeper.
HappyDaze's first reply to you pointed out a lot of things that were included in that xB$ total that didn't belong, in another post specifically told you where to look for the real number, and then in a later post provided the actual numbers. HD does troll, but not in this case. It wasn't particularly polite, but neither is your post.

Happydaze has a history of self-admitted trolling, and I escalated only after he did. (He started it! ;) ) I have no regrets about how I replied to him.
I wouldn't ask you to regret how you replied (I enjoyed watching you squirm), but your "exploration" was laughably half-assed, and that is what you should regret about this.

I don't. I'd rather ask questions and get productive answers than be a spiteful little goblin man snapping at people on a message board for whatever the fuck hoarded up slights you've got floating around in your dome.

If anything, I feel a bit bad that I let you drag another thread into being about you and your trolling. But only a bit.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2021, 05:50:08 PM »
If anything, I feel a bit bad that I let you drag another thread into being about you and your trolling. But only a bit.

Dont feel bad Ratman.  This is the entertainment!
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2021, 05:55:03 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #112 on: February 21, 2021, 07:06:01 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #113 on: February 21, 2021, 07:35:45 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #114 on: February 22, 2021, 05:54:07 AM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.


Yes, by all means pity those that actually read and understood the sources you provided...when you obviously failed at one or both of those things.

Nice meme though; I do enjoy Toy Story, so thank you for that.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2021, 05:08:50 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.


Yes, by all means pity those that actually read and understood the sources you provided...when you obviously failed at one or both of those things.

The failure is all yours. I acknowledged the error when it was pointed out, and dropped the idea when the accurate budget was posted.

You, on the other hand, leapt to personal insults and clung to the original error, even to the point of trying to invent opinions that I never stated, in some sad attempt to bolster your trolling attempt. You have been intentionally disingenuous and it illustrates that you aren't participating in the discussion in good faith.

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Nice meme though; I do enjoy Toy Story, so thank you for that.

You're welcome.
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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2021, 04:46:50 AM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.


Yes, by all means pity those that actually read and understood the sources you provided...when you obviously failed at one or both of those things.

The failure is all yours. I acknowledged the error when it was pointed out, and dropped the idea when the accurate budget was posted.

You, on the other hand, leapt to personal insults and clung to the original error, even to the point of trying to invent opinions that I never stated, in some sad attempt to bolster your trolling attempt. You have been intentionally disingenuous and it illustrates that you aren't participating in the discussion in good faith.

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Nice meme though; I do enjoy Toy Story, so thank you for that.

You're welcome.
Now Ratman_tf has returned to his alternative facts--this time to argue that the guy that gave accurate information is "intentionally disingenuous" and not "participating in the discussion in good faith" all because I threw in some personal insults. He doesn't realize that I gave him the help he asked for (before others did) just because a put a few barbs in it. Others--in particular Pat--pointed this out, but he can't accept these facts and has to find alternatives because the reality is...just..too much for him to take. Does anybody have an emotional support animal for the little guy?

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2021, 04:01:21 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.


Yes, by all means pity those that actually read and understood the sources you provided...when you obviously failed at one or both of those things.

The failure is all yours. I acknowledged the error when it was pointed out, and dropped the idea when the accurate budget was posted.

You, on the other hand, leapt to personal insults and clung to the original error, even to the point of trying to invent opinions that I never stated, in some sad attempt to bolster your trolling attempt. You have been intentionally disingenuous and it illustrates that you aren't participating in the discussion in good faith.

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Nice meme though; I do enjoy Toy Story, so thank you for that.

You're welcome.
Now Ratman_tf has returned to his alternative facts--this time to argue that the guy that gave accurate information is "intentionally disingenuous" and not "participating in the discussion in good faith" all because I threw in some personal insults. He doesn't realize that I gave him the help he asked for (before others did) just because a put a few barbs in it. Others--in particular Pat--pointed this out, but he can't accept these facts and has to find alternatives because the reality is...just..too much for him to take. Does anybody have an emotional support animal for the little guy?

You still ranting?  ;D

I pointed out your disingenousness, it's right here in the thread for all to see where you tried to make up shit and now that you've been called out on it, you double down on being a jackass.

And your barbs were weaksauce. Typical Happydaze trolling nonsense. I only pointed it out when Pat said neither of us was "being very polite", and I pointed out that you were the one who went there first. I would have been happy to leave the attitude out, but that's what you're here for isn't it? To bitch and argue, and you don't give two shits about accuracy.

And now you want to keep arguing about it instead of the homeless situation. Because it's an agrument, and that's what you're here for.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #118 on: February 23, 2021, 05:01:18 PM »
And I assure, you any "squirming" was only a product of Happydaze's fevered imaginations. ;)
And the squirming continues!

You really should just let it drop, but don't take my advice...

Advice from a troll? I think not.


Yes, by all means pity those that actually read and understood the sources you provided...when you obviously failed at one or both of those things.

The failure is all yours. I acknowledged the error when it was pointed out, and dropped the idea when the accurate budget was posted.

You, on the other hand, leapt to personal insults and clung to the original error, even to the point of trying to invent opinions that I never stated, in some sad attempt to bolster your trolling attempt. You have been intentionally disingenuous and it illustrates that you aren't participating in the discussion in good faith.

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Nice meme though; I do enjoy Toy Story, so thank you for that.

You're welcome.
Now Ratman_tf has returned to his alternative facts--this time to argue that the guy that gave accurate information is "intentionally disingenuous" and not "participating in the discussion in good faith" all because I threw in some personal insults. He doesn't realize that I gave him the help he asked for (before others did) just because a put a few barbs in it. Others--in particular Pat--pointed this out, but he can't accept these facts and has to find alternatives because the reality is...just..too much for him to take. Does anybody have an emotional support animal for the little guy?

You still ranting?  ;D

I pointed out your disingenousness, it's right here in the thread for all to see where you tried to make up shit and now that you've been called out on it, you double down on being a jackass.

And your barbs were weaksauce. Typical Happydaze trolling nonsense. I only pointed it out when Pat said neither of us was "being very polite", and I pointed out that you were the one who went there first. I would have been happy to leave the attitude out, but that's what you're here for isn't it? To bitch and argue, and you don't give two shits about accuracy.

And now you want to keep arguing about it instead of the homeless situation. Because it's an agrument, and that's what you're here for.
What "shit" did I make up? Please, be specific.

And as for not giving "two shits about accuracy," I'm the one that pointed you toward the accurate information and then even went so far as to give you direct links to it since your ability to do even basic research seemed so limited.

So, again, what "shit" did I make up? Please, be specific.

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Re: What's to be done about homelessness?
« Reply #119 on: February 23, 2021, 06:14:56 PM »
On topic, the central problem seems to me to be that people are much more mobile than housing.  I live near Seattle. For decades our population grew at a predictable rate.  Suddenly everyone and their brother wanted to move here.  So naturally prices go up.  Add a NIMBY SFH baseline to housing and you have a problem that at a minimum takes years to correct.  Then add a city council that thinks development/business is eval and you have a recipe for disaster which is what Seattle looks like these days.