What's the difference between a Conspiracy Theory and The Truth?

[jhkim]

I don't see the idea of Covid-19 originating in a Chinese lab as a mad conspiracy theory in and of itself. It's perfectly plausible and I've read stuff from respected journalists that really put it as a possibility.

My problem is when stuff like this grows arms and legs. It became a weird narrative about US involvement in the lab and WHO cover ups all connect the "The Great Reset".

The difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is when you start putting your mentalist spin about in to try to turn it into a bad airport movie.

We KNOW the US WAS funding research in the lab, ergo "involved with it".
We also know the WHO lied.
"The Great Reset" is something you can find right on the WEF's website.

What is the weird part?

I don't speak for Garry G, but I think a weird part would be connecting these together as intentional actions by masses of people. For example, someone might claim that the U.S. government and WHO conspired to intentionally release covid-19 on the world in order to further The Great Reset. That is outside of common belief even among conservatives.

GeekyBugle, I had asked earlier about the outbreak of SARS (aka SARS-CoV) in China in 2002. This is important because it bears a lot on how believable it is that SARS-CoV-2 could have a similar origin.

If SARS in 2002 was a natural evolution of a covid strain from bats in China, then that gives a lot more weight to  earlier predictions that a new strain could easily evolve, which is why virologists were studying that.

  Things like forcing demographic change in western nations are certainly conspiracy theories.   I do notice that all these countries also seem to be having some interesting experiences from forced to take in "refugees" as well as open borders with MASSIVE illegal immigration (which always seems to strangely be a different demographic racially and ethnically from the majority/founding stock of said nations) of people with different to radically different world views about society does seem to be happening.... So is this still considered a conspiracy theory or is it a thing that is really happening?

That demographic change is happening is facts that all sides largely agree on. How this relates to conspiracy theory is about why someone thinks the demographic change is happening.

For example, one common view is that immigration patterns are changing because much of the world has seen a drop in birth rate (both in the First World as well as China and India). At the same time, there is still business demand for cheap labor within First World countries. So we don't have Italians or Poles immigrating en masse to the U.S., but instead we have people from India, Latin America, etc.

[GeekyBugle]

I don't see the idea of Covid-19 originating in a Chinese lab as a mad conspiracy theory in and of itself. It's perfectly plausible and I've read stuff from respected journalists that really put it as a possibility.

My problem is when stuff like this grows arms and legs. It became a weird narrative about US involvement in the lab and WHO cover ups all connect the "The Great Reset".

The difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is when you start putting your mentalist spin about in to try to turn it into a bad airport movie.

We KNOW the US WAS funding research in the lab, ergo "involved with it".
We also know the WHO lied.
"The Great Reset" is something you can find right on the WEF's website.

What is the weird part?

I don't speak for Garry G, but I think a weird part would be connecting these together as intentional actions by masses of people. For example, someone might claim that the U.S. government and WHO conspired to intentionally release covid-19 on the world in order to further The Great Reset. That is outside of common belief even among conservatives.

GeekyBugle, I had asked earlier about the outbreak of SARS (aka SARS-CoV) in China in 2002. This is important because it bears a lot on how believable it is that SARS-CoV-2 could have a similar origin.

If SARS in 2002 was a natural evolution of a covid strain from bats in China, then that gives a lot more weight to  earlier predictions that a new strain could easily evolve, which is why virologists were studying that.

  Things like forcing demographic change in western nations are certainly conspiracy theories.   I do notice that all these countries also seem to be having some interesting experiences from forced to take in "refugees" as well as open borders with MASSIVE illegal immigration (which always seems to strangely be a different demographic racially and ethnically from the majority/founding stock of said nations) of people with different to radically different world views about society does seem to be happening.... So is this still considered a conspiracy theory or is it a thing that is really happening?

That demographic change is happening is facts that all sides largely agree on. How this relates to conspiracy theory is about why someone thinks the demographic change is happening.

For example, one common view is that immigration patterns are changing because much of the world has seen a drop in birth rate (both in the First World as well as China and India). At the same time, there is still business demand for cheap labor within First World countries. So we don't have Italians or Poles immigrating en masse to the U.S., but instead we have people from India, Latin America, etc.

Masses... You don't need masses, you also don't need an active link between all of those, but not even you can deny that it's a huge coincidence that the WHO lies just happen to protect China whno just happens to have a lab "researching" the exact type of virus that "evolved" and wasn't developed (but no one can find it in the wild animals) and definetely didn't escape from said lab that the US was funding even if there were people sounding the alarm about the risk said lab presented due to lax protocols or bad equipment or both.

Then the WEF... Well, they DO have a goal, they could have seen the Kung-Flu as an oportunity to advance their goals, for all intents and purposes some people might look at that and assume they were working together even if they weren't.

As for your assertion that ALL the virologists in the world would need to be in on the conspiracy...

False, since not all are studying the virus, and among those who are you had a powerful campaign from governments and their propaganda outlets to silence and or destroy the reputation of anyone who dared contradict the approved narrative. Something that would work wonders to silence many since they need government grants to continue their work.

You seem to think scientists are incorruptible saints, hate to burst your bubble but they are only humans, as flawed as anyone else, as corruptible as anyone else, as proven by certain letter signed by scientists and published in a certain prestigious (not so much anymore) journal that had to be retracted.

Like I have said before, we're not going to know the truth (unless the CCP falls and somehow they preserved documentation and it gets leaked) ever, but we can use our eyes and our reason to examine the evidence we DO have to assertain probabilities, you either have an incredible chain of unrelated coincidences that look like it was developed and escaped or it was developed and escaped. Occam's Razor says it was developed and escaped.

You can keep coping and caping for the CCP, WHO, Fauci, the US government or you can recognize that everything I have said is true.

You have the right to your wrong opinion, I can't force you to be right, and lack the time and will to try and convince you to trust your lying eyes.

[Fheredin]

I don't see the idea of Covid-19 originating in a Chinese lab as a mad conspiracy theory in and of itself. It's perfectly plausible and I've read stuff from respected journalists that really put it as a possibility.

My problem is when stuff like this grows arms and legs. It became a weird narrative about US involvement in the lab and WHO cover ups all connect the "The Great Reset".

The difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is when you start putting your mentalist spin about in to try to turn it into a bad airport movie.

We KNOW the US WAS funding research in the lab, ergo "involved with it".
We also know the WHO lied.
"The Great Reset" is something you can find right on the WEF's website.

What is the weird part?

I don't speak for Garry G, but I think a weird part would be connecting these together as intentional actions by masses of people. For example, someone might claim that the U.S. government and WHO conspired to intentionally release covid-19 on the world in order to further The Great Reset. That is outside of common belief even among conservatives.

GeekyBugle, I had asked earlier about the outbreak of SARS (aka SARS-CoV) in China in 2002. This is important because it bears a lot on how believable it is that SARS-CoV-2 could have a similar origin.

If SARS in 2002 was a natural evolution of a covid strain from bats in China, then that gives a lot more weight to  earlier predictions that a new strain could easily evolve, which is why virologists were studying that.

  Things like forcing demographic change in western nations are certainly conspiracy theories.   I do notice that all these countries also seem to be having some interesting experiences from forced to take in "refugees" as well as open borders with MASSIVE illegal immigration (which always seems to strangely be a different demographic racially and ethnically from the majority/founding stock of said nations) of people with different to radically different world views about society does seem to be happening.... So is this still considered a conspiracy theory or is it a thing that is really happening?

That demographic change is happening is facts that all sides largely agree on. How this relates to conspiracy theory is about why someone thinks the demographic change is happening.

For example, one common view is that immigration patterns are changing because much of the world has seen a drop in birth rate (both in the First World as well as China and India). At the same time, there is still business demand for cheap labor within First World countries. So we don't have Italians or Poles immigrating en masse to the U.S., but instead we have people from India, Latin America, etc.

I think it's much more likely these are a series of crimes of opportunity. The NIH was funding research in China to circumvent laws and protections in the US. Once the leak happened and the CCP realized they couldn't keep it contained (best guess: late October 2019), the CCP intentionally spread the disease so that China would not lose relative position to other powers in the world (notably the US.) Once it became clear it was going to become a pandemic, the WEF and Davos started taking advantage of the uproar of COVID restrictions and relief to start pushing a Great Reset initiative which was probably intended as a response for a global recession, not a pandemic, but the pandemic worked just as well.

None of this actually requires an evil supervillainous grand plan; it's just one event making an opportunity for another, which makes it seem like they're more closely related than they actually are.

Demographic change and immigration is mostly driven by economics. The modern global trade relies on high education/ high value added jobs within cities, but these places can't possibly afford to raise children locally because of the absolutely absurd cost of living. Children can only be practically raised in quantity in rural places.

Urban places are demographic vampires of rural places. You can say whatever you want about the racial and national aspect, but it all boils down to urban sprawl being unsustainable and perpetually needing to import cheap labor that it can't afford to raise locally.

[Ratman_tf]

I don't see the idea of Covid-19 originating in a Chinese lab as a mad conspiracy theory in and of itself. It's perfectly plausible and I've read stuff from respected journalists that really put it as a possibility.

My problem is when stuff like this grows arms and legs. It became a weird narrative about US involvement in the lab and WHO cover ups all connect the "The Great Reset".

The difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is when you start putting your mentalist spin about in to try to turn it into a bad airport movie.

We KNOW the US WAS funding research in the lab, ergo "involved with it".
We also know the WHO lied.
"The Great Reset" is something you can find right on the WEF's website.

What is the weird part?

I don't speak for Garry G, but I think a weird part would be connecting these together as intentional actions by masses of people. For example, someone might claim that the U.S. government and WHO conspired to intentionally release covid-19 on the world in order to further The Great Reset. That is outside of common belief even among conservatives.

GeekyBugle, I had asked earlier about the outbreak of SARS (aka SARS-CoV) in China in 2002. This is important because it bears a lot on how believable it is that SARS-CoV-2 could have a similar origin.

If SARS in 2002 was a natural evolution of a covid strain from bats in China, then that gives a lot more weight to  earlier predictions that a new strain could easily evolve, which is why virologists were studying that.

  Things like forcing demographic change in western nations are certainly conspiracy theories.   I do notice that all these countries also seem to be having some interesting experiences from forced to take in "refugees" as well as open borders with MASSIVE illegal immigration (which always seems to strangely be a different demographic racially and ethnically from the majority/founding stock of said nations) of people with different to radically different world views about society does seem to be happening.... So is this still considered a conspiracy theory or is it a thing that is really happening?

That demographic change is happening is facts that all sides largely agree on. How this relates to conspiracy theory is about why someone thinks the demographic change is happening.

For example, one common view is that immigration patterns are changing because much of the world has seen a drop in birth rate (both in the First World as well as China and India). At the same time, there is still business demand for cheap labor within First World countries. So we don't have Italians or Poles immigrating en masse to the U.S., but instead we have people from India, Latin America, etc.

I think it's much more likely these are a series of crimes of opportunity. The NIH was funding research in China to circumvent laws and protections in the US. Once the leak happened and the CCP realized they couldn't keep it contained (best guess: late October 2019), the CCP intentionally spread the disease so that China would not lose relative position to other powers in the world (notably the US.) Once it became clear it was going to become a pandemic, the WEF and Davos started taking advantage of the uproar of COVID restrictions and relief to start pushing a Great Reset initiative which was probably intended as a response for a global recession, not a pandemic, but the pandemic worked just as well.

None of this actually requires an evil supervillainous grand plan; it's just one event making an opportunity for another, which makes it seem like they're more closely related than they actually are.

This is my opinion. I don't know how much effect the CCP could have on the spread of Covid. Considering viruses are evolved to take advantage of our need for contact with others, I think they were going to fail no matter what. They didn't even need to intentionally spread it. Just give up and let it run it's course.

[oggsmash]

  The birthrate lowered and a "need" for more people is complete bullshit.   When you do everything you can to limit the native birthrate and then do everything you can to limit immigration from specific places and on the other hand do all you can to ignore illegal immigration from other places it seems to be a bit more than "something that just happens".    Boomers are also retards if they really think people who have households that run at around a 70 percent government aid reception rate are going to be paying their SS when they go out to pasture. 

   Add in the very public and very pointed comments from the "refugees" and migrants from many of these places as if something is owed to them...while watching the smoke over France...and it sure looks like something completely different than any imaginary bringing in new workers line of bullshit.

[Fheredin]

This is my opinion. I don't know how much effect the CCP could have on the spread of Covid. Considering viruses are evolved to take advantage of our need for contact with others, I think they were going to fail no matter what. They didn't even need to intentionally spread it. Just give up and let it run it's course.

It's on record that the CCP allowed travelers from Wuhan to travel internationally, but not within China. If I remember correctly, this was what prompted Trump with the China travel ban which was criticized at the time because the WHO was still gaslighting people about person to person spread. China also bought up the majority of the world's PPE in early 2020, but that decision is somewhat less suspicious.

There is no way to get around this being an intentional effort to spread the virus. It's fair to guess that China did other things to spread COVID around on the hush hush, but in this case, we actually have a paper trail proving that they drew a policy distinction between international and local travel which would almost certainly cause international spread.

[Garry G]

Blethering your normal glaikit shite like the gadje you are likesay.

LOL can't even use real words. Pathetic.

Can't understand real words. Weird.

[Brad]

Can't understand real words. Weird.

I bet you won every argument in 4th grade.

[Chris24601]

Blethering your normal glaikit shite like the gadje you are likesay.

LOL can't even use real words. Pathetic.

Can't understand real words. Weird.

Spending hours scouring the thesaurus for obscure terms doesn't make you clever. It just means you can use the internet and have a complete lack of anything more meaningful in your life to find doing so worthwhile.

[Garry G]

Can't understand real words. Weird.

I bet you won every argument in 4th grade.

You can't still be resentful about your 4th grade failures!

[Garry G]

Blethering your normal glaikit shite like the gadje you are likesay.

LOL can't even use real words. Pathetic.

Can't understand real words. Weird.

Spending hours scouring the thesaurus for obscure terms doesn't make you clever. It just means you can use the internet and have a complete lack of anything more meaningful in your life to find doing so worthwhile.

I really wouldn't know, is it a thing for you?