Wait, What Controversy about Pundit and Zak?

[dragoner]

The heat started in TBP, and has since started to spill (or shall I say ooze?) all over RPG social media.

Yes, and yes, prima facie as to where it all started; no doubt with posters having membership at both places as well.

[Black Vulmea]

Hey, they could defend themselves from all these attacks if they hadn't gotten themselves banned.


The words. I can't find any.

[BarefootGaijin]

Looking out across social media, it is funny how hard people are working to keep up the attacks on Pundit, Zak etc etc. Taken out of the hyper-moderated TBP feelzone and suddenly they are held to account for their statements and (shock horror) people step up to defend!

[One Horse Town]

Hey, they could defend themselves from all these attacks if they hadn't gotten themselves banned.


The words. I can't find any.

I just have a mental picture of cartman leaning out from behind a lamp-post,  saying "yeah!" before ducking behind it again.

[Sacrosanct]

Hey, they could defend themselves from all these attacks if they hadn't gotten themselves banned.


The words. I can't find any.

Especially seeing as how they got banned.  Well, Zak anyway.  He was banned simply because Ettin doesn't like him.  The trail of infractions clearly tells that story.  Zak didn't actually break any rule.

So this is just Darren being a douchebag who should know better.  He knows full well that even if Zak hadn't been banned, as soon as he did defend himself he would be.

Nevermind that all of this ignores their own rule about attacking former posters, which clearly doesn't apply.

[Rincewind1]

Especially seeing as how they got banned.  Well, Zak anyway.  He was banned simply because Ettin doesn't like him.  The trail of infractions clearly tells that story.  Zak didn't actually break any rule.

So this is just Darren being a douchebag who should know better.  He knows full well that even if Zak hadn't been banned, as soon as he did defend himself he would be.

Nevermind that all of this ignores their own rule about attacking former posters, which clearly doesn't apply.

There are no rules on RPG.net. It's a textbook example of tyranny, and the only good thing about it is that it's contained to Internet forum, rather than real life. There are many proofs, but I think Mcbobo has here a best quote - you were banned because I said so.

I know how we often joke how they are totally like Stalinist Russia or Communist Poland, but there are really, really curious comparisons to me, as someone who studied the latter's laws and behaviour of various institutions, especially the valiant disregard for their own guidelines in practice, or banning for offences that are likely to be committed in nearby future.

From what I understand, the problem started with Darren, who went ahead and used the loophole of "guidelines, not laws" to smash people around. It's really a lovely case study.

[dragoner]

There are no rules on RPG.net. It's a textbook example of tyranny ...

Funny, I was going to say the same thing. Then I said to myself 'why bother'. But yes, admin/mods as nomenklatura is an apt description.

[One Horse Town]

Especially seeing as how they got banned.  

Pundit was a pretty big cock on a few boards before he set this place up.

The great thing about this place is that i can say that about him and in fact be one of his moderators.

[flyerfan1991]

And they have literal MOUNTAINS of evidence.

Just tons of the stuff.

They are drowning in examples.

But you can't see any of it. And it's not available to other people looking into it.

Because reasons.

And feels.

For those old Usenet folk, it's time for another rendition of The Lurkers Support me in E-mail!

[Sacrosanct]

There are no rules on RPG.net. It's a textbook example of tyranny, and the only good thing about it is that it's contained to Internet forum, rather than real life. There are many proofs, but I think Mcbobo has here a best quote - you were banned because I said so.

I know how we often joke how they are totally like Stalinist Russia or Communist Poland, but there are really, really curious comparisons to me, as someone who studied the latter's laws and behaviour of various institutions, especially the valiant disregard for their own guidelines in practice, or banning for offences that are likely to be committed in nearby future.

From what I understand, the problem started with Darren, who went ahead and used the loophole of "guidelines, not laws" to smash people around. It's really a lovely case study.

I've always used the Animal Farm comparison.  Because the last 10 years have been right out of that book, almost to a T.

[S'mon]

...ummm, the quotation is from ENworld?

ENW seems to have adopted cultural Marxism/Social Justice and become a subsidiary of RPGnet a few years back. Was a shame.

[Doom]

Hey, they could defend themselves from all these attacks if they hadn't gotten themselves banned.


The words. I can't find any.

Wow, they banned themselves? They have admin powers at TBP! Good for them, at least there are some admins there that aren't idiots. Too bad those admins banned themselves.

[Piestrio]

ENW seems to have adopted cultural Marxism/Social Justice and become a subsidiary of RPGnet a few years back. Was a shame.

As someone who has identified as a Marxist (and been called one numerous times) just let me say that so-called "Cultural Marxism" is partly responsible for the subversion of actual Marxism and thus the breakdown of the left as a force for workers.

[Rincewind1]

As someone who has identified as a Marxist (and been called one numerous times) just let me say that so-called "Cultural Marxism" is partly responsible for the subversion of actual Marxism and thus the breakdown of the left as a force for workers.

Or as force for the people in general, except a few vain academics enjoying the supposed betterment of human race by forcing them to walk on mental eggshells, with respect born out of fear rather than genuine acceptance.

[James Gillen]

Hey, they could defend themselves from all these attacks if they hadn't gotten themselves banned.


The words. I can't find any.

RPG.net.  Where you have the right to free speech.
Once.

JG