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Uncovering BLM's Plot To Destroy The Family

Started by SHARK, July 16, 2020, 07:28:14 AM

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Ghostmaker

Quote from: Orphan81;1141731Yeah, I'm one of those kids from a single parent household, and I'm a fully employed responsible adult without a criminal record or an addiction. Marriage is an outdated concept that's no longer necessary except for legal purposes. Religion is fine as long as it's not intruding in my life.

Again, sex education is how you handle unwanted pregnancies. If kids no to use contraceptives and that the "Pull Out" method doesn't always work, they'res a lot less unwanted babies. But that education is severely lacking in the states that make up the highest single parent households. You can't force people to be religious or to marry, but you can teach them how to make sure they don't have kids while engaging in sexual activities.

That's great, I'm glad you made it out intact.

But for every one of you, I can present 100+ examples of seriously fucked up kids from single homes.

Marriage provides stability, which is absolutely necessary for children growing up. To write it off as an outdated concept is at best absurd, and at worst makes me think you're a communist.

Regarding sex education, one of the 'tells' I find most intriguing is that the biggest proponents refuse to deal with the serious consequences. Legal, ethical, medical, etc. They'll run their mouths all day about the joys of anal sex or how to put a condom on, but a frank discussion of paternity issues or STDs? Heavens, no, we can't have THAT.

Aglondir

Quote from: SHARK;1140152Greetings!

Here is a very interesting video with Glenn Beck...

Hey Shark, whatever happened to Beck? I loved his radio show back in the Obama era. I recall he moved his studios from NY to TX, his Blaze TV flopped, he had some sort of trouble with his eyes, and then he sort of faded away.

SHARK

Quote from: Aglondir;1141742Hey Shark, whatever happened to Beck? I loved his radio show back in the Obama era. I recall he moved his studios from NY to TX, his Blaze TV flopped, he had some sort of trouble with his eyes, and then he sort of faded away.

Greetings!

Hmmm..well, Glenn Beck still has a radio program--a three hour program that goes Monday through Friday. Different markets where it is made available, I'm sure. Beck's Blaze TV is online and going strong. Beck also has a prominent online program every day. Blaze TV, besides hosting Beck, also has many other commentators and guests interviewed. It's a very good program. Beck is passionate, and isn't afraid to tackle the arguments on much of anything, and is often quite insightful in his analysis and critiques.

I highly recommend finding his programs, Aglondir!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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GeekyBugle

Quote from: Orphan81;1141731Yeah, I'm one of those kids from a single parent household, and I'm a fully employed responsible adult without a criminal record or an addiction. Marriage is an outdated concept that's no longer necessary except for legal purposes. Religion is fine as long as it's not intruding in my life.

Again, sex education is how you handle unwanted pregnancies. If kids no to use contraceptives and that the "Pull Out" method doesn't always work, they'res a lot less unwanted babies. But that education is severely lacking in the states that make up the highest single parent households. You can't force people to be religious or to marry, but you can teach them how to make sure they don't have kids while engaging in sexual activities.

Anecdotal evidence, yes you're one of the lucky ones, now go see who fills the jails! Go see what communities have the highest rate of single mothers and highest rate of crime!

There's also people who get stricken by lightning and don't die. Doesn't mean lightning isn't deadly.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Spinachcat

Quote from: Orphan81;1141731Yeah, I'm one of those kids from a single parent household, and I'm a fully employed responsible adult without a criminal record or an addiction.

Check out the stats on the outcomes for kids of single parent households. It's ugly.
And then thank your parent for helping you beat the odds. You dodged a bullet.  

Plenty of shitbags came from intact two parent families, and plenty of good people came from single parent households, but the odds and stats measured across millions say success for a child is more likely if they have two parents.

And its not rocket science. Kids are needy pains in the ass. Of course, spreading that burden across two adults is on average going to work out better than heaping that burden on one adult.

Aglondir

Quote from: SHARK;1141745Greetings!

Hmmm..well, Glenn Beck still has a radio program--a three hour program that goes Monday through Friday. Different markets where it is made available, I'm sure. Beck's Blaze TV is online and going strong. Beck also has a prominent online program every day. Blaze TV, besides hosting Beck, also has many other commentators and guests interviewed. It's a very good program. Beck is passionate, and isn't afraid to tackle the arguments on much of anything, and is often quite insightful in his analysis and critiques.

I highly recommend finding his programs, Aglondir!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Good to hear-- I will check it out.

Orphan81

Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141736Marriage provides stability, which is absolutely necessary for children growing up. To write it off as an outdated concept is at best absurd, and at worst makes me think you're a communist.

Regarding sex education, one of the 'tells' I find most intriguing is that the biggest proponents refuse to deal with the serious consequences. Legal, ethical, medical, etc. They'll run their mouths all day about the joys of anal sex or how to put a condom on, but a frank discussion of paternity issues or STDs? Heavens, no, we can't have THAT.

This is bullshit. Every single frank sex education class presented in school that deals with condoms and contraceptives also has a discussion on STDs and pregnancy complete with graphic pictures of said STDs and videos of what birth looks like. Again, look at the data. The States with the lowest single parent households are those with complete sex education classes typically at both the Middle and Highschool levels.

For all the talk of Democratic controlled cities being shit holes.. it's the Republican controlled states that have out of control single mother households.. and it's because Religion is so heavy in those states and sex education is banned from schools because it's "Sinful"... and they falsely believe Abstinence is the best teaching.

And yes, I believe Marriage is an outdated concept. It's a religious ceremony and I'm not religious. I'm not saying it needs to be made illegal.. Let those who want to marry, get married. But this argument for marriage being necessary to raise families from a religious standpoint is BS. Note I didn't say Two parent families. I said marriage. The majority of Marriages end in Divorce and that's thanks to the government making it easy... Which It SHOULD be. Nobody should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to, and to argue otherwise is some incel bullshit.

I'm not a Commie, I'm just not conservative. I've always been a Libertarian Leftist.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

jhkim

Quote from: Orphan81;1141771For all the talk of Democratic controlled cities being shit holes.. it's the Republican controlled states that have out of control single mother households.. and it's because Religion is so heavy in those states and sex education is banned from schools because it's "Sinful"... and they falsely believe Abstinence is the best teaching.

And yes, I believe Marriage is an outdated concept. It's a religious ceremony and I'm not religious. I'm not saying it needs to be made illegal.. Let those who want to marry, get married. But this argument for marriage being necessary to raise families from a religious standpoint is BS. Note I didn't say Two parent families. I said marriage. The majority of Marriages end in Divorce and that's thanks to the government making it easy... Which It SHOULD be. Nobody should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to, and to argue otherwise is some incel bullshit.
Orphan81, the data are actually mixed. It's true that Republican-controlled states like Louisiana and Mississippi have the most single-mother households. However, Utah is also very conservative and yet has one of the lowest rates. California and Texas have roughly the same rates. The primary split isn't on the left/right axis. Here's a map of percent of children who live with both of their married, biological parents -- where darker is higher rates.

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Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/upshot/the-north-south-divide-on-two-parent-families.html?_r=0

Overall, there is a slight edge to Democrat-controlled states, but other sources have said that when you look at county-level data, that edge disappears. So it's not just sex education or feminism. From the map source article, there is some interpretation:

QuoteMr. Wilcox and Mr. Zill argue that there are actually two models for having a large share of stable families: the blue-state model and the red-state one.

In the blue-state model, Americans get more education and earn higher income -- and more educated, higher-earning people tend to marry and stay married. In Minnesota, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Connecticut, at least 51 percent of teenagers are being raised by both biological parents, among the highest rates in the nation. (That figure excludes families in which the two parents are together without being married; such arrangements are still rare -- and less likely to last than marriages.)

In the red-state model, educational attainment is closer to average, but "residents are more likely to have deep normative and religious commitments to marriage and to raising children within marriage," write Mr. Wilcox and Mr. Zill, in a paper for the Institute for Family Studies. This model applies across much of the Great Plains and Mountain West, including Nebraska and Utah.
So their interpretation is that religious commitment can have a positive effect, but it's not true across all conservative states. I haven't read the study cited. From the article, it's not clear to me why the red-state model works in Utah and Nebraska, but not in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Ratman_tf

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Quote from: Orphan81;1141771This is bullshit. Every single frank sex education class presented in school that deals with condoms and contraceptives also has a discussion on STDs and pregnancy complete with graphic pictures of said STDs and videos of what birth looks like. Again, look at the data. The States with the lowest single parent households are those with complete sex education classes typically at both the Middle and Highschool levels.

For all the talk of Democratic controlled cities being shit holes.. it's the Republican controlled states that have out of control single mother households.. and it's because Religion is so heavy in those states and sex education is banned from schools because it's "Sinful"... and they falsely believe Abstinence is the best teaching.

And yes, I believe Marriage is an outdated concept. It's a religious ceremony and I'm not religious. I'm not saying it needs to be made illegal.. Let those who want to marry, get married. But this argument for marriage being necessary to raise families from a religious standpoint is BS. Note I didn't say Two parent families. I said marriage. The majority of Marriages end in Divorce and that's thanks to the government making it easy... Which It SHOULD be. Nobody should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to, and to argue otherwise is some incel bullshit.

I'm not a Commie, I'm just not conservative. I've always been a Libertarian Leftist.

I'm of the mind that legally, marriage should define a family, and not just two people who are fucking. Yes, I am not religious and I include heterosexual couples who do not have children and do not plan on it in the "not married" category.
I'd like to see civil unions replace marriage, and have marriage reserved for people who have children. When you have children, you're (ideally) trading away some freedom for the responsibility to the children and the family.

I think most of that work is done culturally, not legally anyway. We can make it so you can't get divorced, but then you just have shitty people staying in shitty marriages against their will.
But you also have people putting marriage on and off like a set of clothes, instead of taking the responsibility to the family seriously.
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Shasarak

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1141822I'm of the mind that legally, marriage should define a family, and not just two people who are fucking. Yes, I am not religious and I include heterosexual couples who do not have children and do not plan on it in the "not married" category.
I'd like to see civil unions replace marriage, and have marriage reserved for people who have children. When you have children, you're (ideally) trading away some freedom for the responsibility to the children and the family.

It seems that the data shows married couples last longer together then unmarried couples.
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Ghostmaker

Quote from: Orphan81;1141771This is bullshit. Every single frank sex education class presented in school that deals with condoms and contraceptives also has a discussion on STDs and pregnancy complete with graphic pictures of said STDs and videos of what birth looks like. Again, look at the data. The States with the lowest single parent households are those with complete sex education classes typically at both the Middle and Highschool levels.

For all the talk of Democratic controlled cities being shit holes.. it's the Republican controlled states that have out of control single mother households.. and it's because Religion is so heavy in those states and sex education is banned from schools because it's "Sinful"... and they falsely believe Abstinence is the best teaching.

And yes, I believe Marriage is an outdated concept. It's a religious ceremony and I'm not religious. I'm not saying it needs to be made illegal.. Let those who want to marry, get married. But this argument for marriage being necessary to raise families from a religious standpoint is BS. Note I didn't say Two parent families. I said marriage. The majority of Marriages end in Divorce and that's thanks to the government making it easy... Which It SHOULD be. Nobody should be forced to stay in a relationship they don't want to, and to argue otherwise is some incel bullshit.

I'm not a Commie, I'm just not conservative. I've always been a Libertarian Leftist.

LOL calm down. At this rate they'll be fitting you for a fedora and offering you a membership in Atheism+.

See, here's the thing: abstinence SHOULD be taught. Why? Because if you don't actually fuck, none of the possible later repercussions can happen. That doesn't mean abstinence is the true, only solution. I love to scandalize people by suggesting a full on shotgun approach: "Keep your pants on till you're married or about to be married. If you absolutely cannot keep your pants on, you BETTER practice safe sex, or you will become acquainted with fun things like STDs, pregnancy, child support, and sanctimonious tards on both sides of the argument wanting to use you as a club."

(Fun factoid: During the medieval and Renaissance eras, out of wedlock intimacy with your spouse-to-be/betrothed wasn't unheard of. In Germany they called it 'fenstering' (for climbing in through the window), and as long as the bride and groom were married before a child was born, nobody really gave a shit -- even if the bride started to show a little.)

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Shasarak;1141908It seems that the data shows married couples last longer together then unmarried couples.

The data also shows the more sexual partners you have before marriage the more likely you are to cheat.

So yeah, abstinence as the primary method sounds about right.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ratman_tf

The problem is teens are raging bags of hormones. (Not an evolutionary biologist) I think nature set it up so teens and 20 somethings would make the most terrible life decisions possible in order to get those genes replicating. Not financially stable? Well, the most intelligent thing would be to postpone... "OMG! She's so hot! I don't have condoms! Fuck it!"
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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GeekyBugle

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1141998The problem is teens are raging bags of hormones. (Not an evolutionary biologist) I think nature set it up so teens and 20 somethings would make the most terrible life decisions possible in order to get those genes replicating. Not financially stable? Well, the most intelligent thing would be to postpone... "OMG! She's so hot! I don't have condoms! Fuck it!"

And yet, some of us managed to get to 32 without kids, got married and had one 2 years after, and some of us managed to get to 26 and get married a virgin...
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Ratman_tf

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142004And yet, some of us managed to get to 32 without kids, got married and had one 2 years after, and some of us managed to get to 26 and get married a virgin...

Sure. I'm not saying abstinence and waiting for marriage is impossible. I'm saying I understand why lots of young people don't manage it.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung