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Author Topic: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.  (Read 100758 times)

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #825 on: June 21, 2022, 06:00:41 AM »

Speak for yourself Jeff. Or are you trying to pull that leftie tactic of claiming to represent some mob of people who think and believe exactly like you so you feel free to speak on their behalf? Sorry buddy, we're all individuals here. Even you.

I call them like I see them.

You are just butthurt that your liar ways have been exposed for all to see.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #826 on: June 21, 2022, 08:34:06 AM »
But then again this progressive non woke Democrat actualy knows some history...

Clearly you don't.

Go read up on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Putin isn't Hitler. Putin is in the JFK role and in this bizarre, completely avoidable repeat of history.

How you managed to pack so much stupidity into less that 2 lines of rext is amazing.

Putin has been the agressor since he seized part of the region in 2018. All Ukraine did was defend itself. Meanwhile Putin is targeting civllian populations, shelters, escape routes, etc

You know what?  Never mind. Anyone who could say what you did must have a minus sign infront of his IQ. Go plug your head back into fox news and inforwrars, after expending as much idiocy as you did in your post you must need a refill.

Honestly I'm surprised your brain can even keep your heart and lungs working...
Russia took Crimea in 2014. Was there something that made that non-aggressive for 4 years that changed in 2018?

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #827 on: June 21, 2022, 08:43:40 AM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #828 on: June 21, 2022, 11:04:35 AM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?

Roughly yes, though that's mostly a commitment to future aid, not aid that has been sent. Congress passed a $40 billion dollar aid package in May which is the bulk of it, with majority support from both parties. About half of the May package is non-military aid, such as food assistance and health care, with the other half being military aid.

Russia's annual military budget was $66 billion in 2021, but they have increased spending by a lot since the start of the Ukraine war in 2022. I don't think there are reliable spending estimates at this point of their war spending. Active war spending is likely to be much more.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #829 on: June 21, 2022, 11:08:44 AM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?

Roughly yes, though that's mostly a commitment to future aid, not aid that has been sent. Congress passed a $40 billion dollar aid package in May which is the bulk of it, with majority support from both parties. About half of the May package is non-military aid, such as food assistance and health care, with the other half being military aid.

Russia's annual military budget was $66 billion in 2021, but they have increased spending by a lot since the start of the Ukraine war in 2022. I don't think there are reliable spending estimates at this point of their war spending. Active war spending is likely to be much more.

  So in other word mighty close to what their annual military budget has been.   No accounting from the USA or Ukraine side as to where the money and gear is going...and an uptick on arms being sold on the black market.  This is a shit show. The USA has put up 54 billion in half a year. 

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #830 on: June 21, 2022, 11:38:59 AM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?
Into someone's pockets.

My opinion and personal 'conspiracy theory' is that the intense excitement around Ukraine does not stem from any great humanitarian gesture. It stems from Beltway elites being pissed because their personal money-laundering shop is getting knocked over.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #831 on: June 21, 2022, 11:44:24 AM »
But then again this progressive non woke Democrat actualy knows some history...

Clearly you don't.

Go read up on the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Putin isn't Hitler. Putin is in the JFK role and in this bizarre, completely avoidable repeat of history.

Oh good lord what the fuck has happened to your brain? They invaded a nation. They've killed civilians and kidnapped children into Russia. How the fuck can you compare any of this to JFK? The US nor Nato was putting any missiles in Ukraine. They were not even considering NATO membership any time in the near future.

Damn dude, you've gone far down the rabbit hole to have come to believe that bullshit.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #832 on: June 21, 2022, 11:48:29 AM »

Speak for yourself Jeff. Or are you trying to pull that leftie tactic of claiming to represent some mob of people who think and believe exactly like you so you feel free to speak on their behalf? Sorry buddy, we're all individuals here. Even you.

I call them like I see them.

You are just butthurt that your liar ways have been exposed for all to see.

You are free to call things as you see them, but not free to speak for how others see them. Stop naming yourself a leader when you lead only yourself.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #833 on: June 21, 2022, 12:11:49 PM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?

Roughly yes, though that's mostly a commitment to future aid, not aid that has been sent. Congress passed a $40 billion dollar aid package in May which is the bulk of it, with majority support from both parties. About half of the May package is non-military aid, such as food assistance and health care, with the other half being military aid.

Russia's annual military budget was $66 billion in 2021, but they have increased spending by a lot since the start of the Ukraine war in 2022. I don't think there are reliable spending estimates at this point of their war spending. Active war spending is likely to be much more.

  So in other word mighty close to what their annual military budget has been.   No accounting from the USA or Ukraine side as to where the money and gear is going...and an uptick on arms being sold on the black market.  This is a shit show. The USA has put up 54 billion in half a year.

Comparing pre-war spending to war spending is really apples and oranges. As I said, I don't think estimates of Russian war spending are reliable - but to give an idea, the Moscow Times estimated Russian spending at $300M per day in the war, while Newsweek cited an outside estimate of $900M per day.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/18/russian-defense-spending-surges-to-300m-per-day-amid-ukraine-war-a77712

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-spending-estimated-900-million-day-ukraine-war-1704383

While I don't doubt that there is plenty of cruft in the Ukraine aid package, at least it's going towards a known problem of the Russian war on Ukraine. What I find far more ridiculous is the U.S. spending $770 billion every year in *peacetime* on its military. The Ukraine military aid is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #834 on: June 21, 2022, 01:03:50 PM »

Speak for yourself Jeff. Or are you trying to pull that leftie tactic of claiming to represent some mob of people who think and believe exactly like you so you feel free to speak on their behalf? Sorry buddy, we're all individuals here. Even you.

I call them like I see them.

You are just butthurt that your liar ways have been exposed for all to see.

You are free to call things as you see them, but not free to speak for how others see them. Stop naming yourself a leader when you lead only yourself.

You view me as a messianic threat to your online image which is as much a lie as you are. The readers know what you are.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #835 on: June 21, 2022, 02:26:30 PM »
  I am not certain, but isnt the bill on "helping" Ukraine around 54 billion since start of the year for the USA now?  Isnt that more than Russia's annual military budget?  Where is that money and gear going I wonder?

Roughly yes, though that's mostly a commitment to future aid, not aid that has been sent. Congress passed a $40 billion dollar aid package in May which is the bulk of it, with majority support from both parties. About half of the May package is non-military aid, such as food assistance and health care, with the other half being military aid.

Russia's annual military budget was $66 billion in 2021, but they have increased spending by a lot since the start of the Ukraine war in 2022. I don't think there are reliable spending estimates at this point of their war spending. Active war spending is likely to be much more.

  So in other word mighty close to what their annual military budget has been.   No accounting from the USA or Ukraine side as to where the money and gear is going...and an uptick on arms being sold on the black market.  This is a shit show. The USA has put up 54 billion in half a year.

Comparing pre-war spending to war spending is really apples and oranges. As I said, I don't think estimates of Russian war spending are reliable - but to give an idea, the Moscow Times estimated Russian spending at $300M per day in the war, while Newsweek cited an outside estimate of $900M per day.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/18/russian-defense-spending-surges-to-300m-per-day-amid-ukraine-war-a77712

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-spending-estimated-900-million-day-ukraine-war-1704383

While I don't doubt that there is plenty of cruft in the Ukraine aid package, at least it's going towards a known problem of the Russian war on Ukraine. What I find far more ridiculous is the U.S. spending $770 billion every year in *peacetime* on its military. The Ukraine military aid is a drop in the bucket compared to that.

  It is not more ridiculous, but I can agree with just as ridiculous.  I think the US military budget should be 54 billion and we should give zero to Ukraine (and anyone else).  Then we can approach sense.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #836 on: June 21, 2022, 05:27:23 PM »

Speak for yourself Jeff. Or are you trying to pull that leftie tactic of claiming to represent some mob of people who think and believe exactly like you so you feel free to speak on their behalf? Sorry buddy, we're all individuals here. Even you.

I call them like I see them.

You are just butthurt that your liar ways have been exposed for all to see.

You are free to call things as you see them, but not free to speak for how others see them. Stop naming yourself a leader when you lead only yourself.

You view me as a messianic threat to your online image which is as much a lie as you are. The readers know what you are.

No Jeff. Believe it or not I've seen your social media. I view you as an ordinary dude, just like me. I have no "online image" or at least none I particularly care about. And what's this "the readers" crap? We're all just guys posting to an internet message board about games and game related stuff. This isn't the fucking wall street journal. You and I have no "readers" in the sense you keep using that word.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #837 on: June 21, 2022, 11:08:43 PM »

No Jeff. Believe it or not I've seen your social media. I view you as an ordinary dude, just like me. I have no "online image" or at least none I particularly care about. And what's this "the readers" crap? We're all just guys posting to an internet message board about games and game related stuff. This isn't the fucking wall street journal. You and I have no "readers" in the sense you keep using that word.

Bolding mine because stalkerish behavior is creepy as fuck.

What's next, you gonna dox me?

See, you try to come off as rational but you are willing to search out and look into my social media? That's only rational to a crackhead.

EDIT: You'd think you would have been smart enough to not threaten my SO, but like a true social justice wanker you have no bounds.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #838 on: June 21, 2022, 11:44:04 PM »
If he threatened your husband you should report it to pundit and get him banned,  dumb quixote. If you can't convince pundit he threatened anyone close to you try reporting him to the FBI.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #839 on: June 21, 2022, 11:45:38 PM »
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