Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.

[Mistwell]

The Pentagon just straight up admitted they're feeding military intel to Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-provided-intelligence-that-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-warship/ar-AAWXPmJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

WHY? I don't care if we do it on the sly -- to hell with the Russians -- but damn it, you don't fucking BRAG about it you fucking donuts!

But you know why they're suddenly bragging. Brandon's poll numbers are sliding inexorably into the grave. Even the RvW screaming won't save the Democrats, what with the economy going down like Harris on Willie Brown.

Anything to try and make Sleepy Joe and his shitty misadministration look good. Even if it pisses Russia enough to start shooting at us.

I have no idea why you think this was meaningful. Everyone already knew we were doing that sort of thing and announcing it changes nothing. I suspect we'd all be shocked if we were not feeding them intelligence. It's not like they have their own satellites or navy and Russia is invading from that direction so of course we're telling them where the Russian ships are.

[Zelen]

I have no idea why you think this was meaningful. Everyone already knew we were doing that sort of thing and announcing it changes nothing. I suspect we'd all be shocked if we were not feeding them intelligence. It's not like they have their own satellites or navy and Russia is invading from that direction so of course we're telling them where the Russian ships are.

If Russia had publicly come out and stated, "Yeah, we are arming the Afghanis and paying them to kill your men," would the reaction have been different?

[Mistwell]

I have no idea why you think this was meaningful. Everyone already knew we were doing that sort of thing and announcing it changes nothing. I suspect we'd all be shocked if we were not feeding them intelligence. It's not like they have their own satellites or navy and Russia is invading from that direction so of course we're telling them where the Russian ships are.

If Russia had publicly come out and stated, "Yeah, we are arming the Afghanis and paying them to kill your men," would the reaction have been different?

LOL but that's because it wasn't known Russia was helping them at the time. It's not some secret we're arming Ukraine!

[SHARK]

The Pentagon just straight up admitted they're feeding military intel to Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-provided-intelligence-that-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-warship/ar-AAWXPmJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

WHY? I don't care if we do it on the sly -- to hell with the Russians -- but damn it, you don't fucking BRAG about it you fucking donuts!

But you know why they're suddenly bragging. Brandon's poll numbers are sliding inexorably into the grave. Even the RvW screaming won't save the Democrats, what with the economy going down like Harris on Willie Brown.

Anything to try and make Sleepy Joe and his shitty misadministration look good. Even if it pisses Russia enough to start shooting at us.

Greetings!

Our country's fucking corrupt Junta is just jerking themselves silly at the thought of getting into a real war with Russia.

I wonder if these morons will think it is all worth it when America has a dozen or more cities vaporized and we lose 25 or 50 million people. Just assuming the action remains somehow as a "limited nuclear war".

This country's cock-sucking leaders are corrupt and stupid as all fuck. I can't wait until they get fucking packed off to nowhere, assuming we manage to avoid a huge fucking war before then. Absolutely disgraceful. This entire administration is full of absolute morons, and the administration will go down in history as one of, if not the most, corrupt, embarrassing, and incompetent administrations we have had leading this country.

Proof that registered Democrats need to have their "Right to Vote" revoked and utterly abolished. Half of this fucking country is too fucking stupid to vote for someone to clean the goddamn outhouse, let alone President of the United States. Our country is on the edge of a chasm of shit and absolute failure, and we have Biden, Kamala, and the cock-sucking Liberal Democrats to thank for it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Zelen]

LOL but that's because it wasn't known Russia was helping them at the time. It's not some secret we're arming Ukraine!

Yeah, but you dodged the question. Think that the US (either government or nation) would have had slightly different reaction? If we knew Russia was not only offering bounties, but supplying expensive high-tech hardware and doing everything short of pulling the trigger themselves... Would America feel like it was justified in going to war?

To me, seems like it would.

[HappyDaze]

The Pentagon just straight up admitted they're feeding military intel to Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-provided-intelligence-that-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-warship/ar-AAWXPmJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

WHY? I don't care if we do it on the sly -- to hell with the Russians -- but damn it, you don't fucking BRAG about it you fucking donuts!

But you know why they're suddenly bragging. Brandon's poll numbers are sliding inexorably into the grave. Even the RvW screaming won't save the Democrats, what with the economy going down like Harris on Willie Brown.

Anything to try and make Sleepy Joe and his shitty misadministration look good. Even if it pisses Russia enough to start shooting at us.

Greetings!

Our country's fucking corrupt Junta is just jerking themselves silly at the thought of getting into a real war with Russia.

I wonder if these morons will think it is all worth it when America has a dozen or more cities vaporized and we lose 25 or 50 million people. Just assuming the action remains somehow as a "limited nuclear war".

This country's cock-sucking leaders are corrupt and stupid as all fuck. I can't wait until they get fucking packed off to nowhere, assuming we manage to avoid a huge fucking war before then. Absolutely disgraceful. This entire administration is full of absolute morons, and the administration will go down in history as one of, if not the most, corrupt, embarrassing, and incompetent administrations we have had leading this country.

Proof that registered Democrats need to have their "Right to Vote" revoked and utterly abolished. Half of this fucking country is too fucking stupid to vote for someone to clean the goddamn outhouse, let alone President of the United States. Our country is on the edge of a chasm of shit and absolute failure, and we have Biden, Kamala, and the cock-sucking Liberal Democrats to thank for it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Is this the same SHARK that wants all of the city dwellers to burn?

[SHARK]

The Pentagon just straight up admitted they're feeding military intel to Ukraine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/u-s-provided-intelligence-that-helped-ukraine-sink-russian-warship/ar-AAWXPmJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

WHY? I don't care if we do it on the sly -- to hell with the Russians -- but damn it, you don't fucking BRAG about it you fucking donuts!

But you know why they're suddenly bragging. Brandon's poll numbers are sliding inexorably into the grave. Even the RvW screaming won't save the Democrats, what with the economy going down like Harris on Willie Brown.

Anything to try and make Sleepy Joe and his shitty misadministration look good. Even if it pisses Russia enough to start shooting at us.

Greetings!

Our country's fucking corrupt Junta is just jerking themselves silly at the thought of getting into a real war with Russia.

I wonder if these morons will think it is all worth it when America has a dozen or more cities vaporized and we lose 25 or 50 million people. Just assuming the action remains somehow as a "limited nuclear war".

This country's cock-sucking leaders are corrupt and stupid as all fuck. I can't wait until they get fucking packed off to nowhere, assuming we manage to avoid a huge fucking war before then. Absolutely disgraceful. This entire administration is full of absolute morons, and the administration will go down in history as one of, if not the most, corrupt, embarrassing, and incompetent administrations we have had leading this country.

Proof that registered Democrats need to have their "Right to Vote" revoked and utterly abolished. Half of this fucking country is too fucking stupid to vote for someone to clean the goddamn outhouse, let alone President of the United States. Our country is on the edge of a chasm of shit and absolute failure, and we have Biden, Kamala, and the cock-sucking Liberal Democrats to thank for it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Is this the same SHARK that wants all of the city dwellers to burn?

Greetings!

ALL city dwellers? No.

Napalm is good for breakfast!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Mistwell]

LOL but that's because it wasn't known Russia was helping them at the time. It's not some secret we're arming Ukraine!

Yeah, but you dodged the question. Think that the US (either government or nation) would have had slightly different reaction? If we knew Russia was not only offering bounties, but supplying expensive high-tech hardware and doing everything short of pulling the trigger themselves... Would America feel like it was justified in going to war?

To me, seems like it would.

Of course it would. Because it would be entirely radically different information than what we knew about those events.

There is nothing new about the US giving Ukraine intelligence information, given we all knew we gave them the weapons they're using along with that intelligence information! There is no surprise here. Nothing changes about the context of this war because of this information in any way like the change which would happen in the situation you described.

[Shrieking Banshee]

There is nothing new about the US giving Ukraine intelligence information, given we all knew we gave them the weapons they're using along with that intelligence information! There is no surprise here. Nothing changes about the context of this war because of this information in any way like the change which would happen in the situation you described.

How to put it: 95% of this invasion is happening because Putin is a personally motivated man, he ignored warnings and now doesn't want to lose face. If you say bad things about him on TV - he will ban travel to your country until you apologize (assuming your in a weaker position). Mock him on TV and bragging about it might get him to do something stupid, or do something else. Yes he is THAT personally petty.

Even US inteligence say that 95% of what they can do is based apon seeing what Putin sees as escalatory. Putin has very short term, purely selfishly motivated thinking. I really do hope they know what they are doing when it comes to pressuring him.

Because this started with talks about Ukraine joining NATO even though there was only a 1% chance it could ever actually happen.

Edit: Biden himself says this is counter productive.

[Zelen]

Of course it would. Because it would be entirely radically different information than what we knew about those events.

There is nothing new about the US giving Ukraine intelligence information, given we all knew we gave them the weapons they're using along with that intelligence information! There is no surprise here. Nothing changes about the context of this war because of this information in any way like the change which would happen in the situation you described.

This feels a bit like, "We were always at war with EastAsia."

I mean, if anyone asked you ~three months ago whether the US would be giving all kinds of weaponry and tens billions of dollars of aidbribes & money laundering to Ukraine, the answer would be no. I doubt Russia anticipated that the US/NATO would respond in such a reckless & brazen way. From where I stand I can see Russia taking more drastic measures, and being fully justified in doing so.

[Mistwell]

Jesus I am now seeing the Q-Annon Right trying to rehabilitate Tojo and the Japanese Empire blaming America for Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, and claiming China would have beat Japan if the U.S. had just left Japan alone and not gotten involved.

Seriously, every time I think the Q-Right cannot get stupider they prove there is no bar set too low for them to go lower and stupider.

[Edit - for the dumbasses in the back row this was not a comment directed at anyone here about anything said here - I literally saw the above stuff on Twitter and thought I would post about it here. Not posting ABOUT anyone here.]

[oggsmash]

The only way this conflict ends is if there's regime change in the USA.

To claim that the conflict in Ukraine now has no USA intervention is ignorant.
To claim the only thing that matters in the conflict now is the USA is also ignorant.

This sort of dialogue has ticked me off. It denies any people in the conflict any sort of personal will and motive and assumes the USA is the only driving factor of the Universe.

Well, in fairness, the USA does seem to have a pattern of supporting radicals to fight off someone they do not like through proxy, only to have those same radicals take power in that country, and then the USA comes around and fights that radical government 10 years or so down the road.

Believe it or not: The USA is not the only nation in the planet capable of arming radicals.

Nations fighting through proxy has been a thing even as a FOUNDING element of the United States. Its like saying all of this is actually the Fault of France because they supported the radical revolutionaries of the American colonies.

  Not the only one, but by FAR the biggest spender in doing so.

[HappyDaze]

From where I stand I can see Russia taking more drastic measures, and being fully justified in doing so.

Where do you stand that an act of aggression that expands into brutal atrocities when meet with widespread condemnation and resistance is "fully justified"?

[Zelen]

Jesus I am not seeing the Q-Annon Right trying to rehabilitate Tojo and the Japanese Empire blaming America for Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, and claiming China would have beat Japan if the U.S. had just left Japan alone and not gotten involved.

Seriously, every time I think the Q-Right cannot get stupider they prove there is no bar set too low for them to go lower and stupider.

Strawman harder.

If you think it's America's responsibility to police the world, go buy a ticket and fight & die for this vision yourself.

[Mistwell]

Jesus I am not seeing the Q-Annon Right trying to rehabilitate Tojo and the Japanese Empire blaming America for Japan attacking Pearl Harbor, and claiming China would have beat Japan if the U.S. had just left Japan alone and not gotten involved.

Seriously, every time I think the Q-Right cannot get stupider they prove there is no bar set too low for them to go lower and stupider.

Strawman harder.

If you think it's America's responsibility to police the world, go buy a ticket and fight & die for this vision yourself.

No strawman here. I am reporting what I just saw happen on Twitter, with dozens of Q folks involved. Not trying to say it's how anyone here thinks. In fact I will say outright I assume nobody here thinks like that an I've never seen anything like it before. I just figured this was the best thread to mention it in.