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Author Topic: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.  (Read 100775 times)

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #435 on: March 14, 2022, 12:38:06 PM »

The problem though isn't 2-3 weeks of heavy snow and icy streets, but months of both. That puts off even Russians.

These are Russians, not guys and gals from San Diego. Moscow and St Petersburg are not exactly sunny and warm either. In fact the southern most parts of Siberia are much more pleasant than northern European Russia. I think it is less about weather and more about a cultural lethargy. The 20th Century was not kind to Russia or Russians. I don't think they have psychologically recovered from WW II let alone the damage done by the Soviet Union. Its just damned hard to get them to leave the Russian 'homeland' around the Moscow-St Petersburg axis.

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« Reply #436 on: March 14, 2022, 12:52:27 PM »
These are Russians, not guys and gals from San Diego. Moscow and St Petersburg are not exactly sunny and warm either. In fact the southern most parts of Siberia are much more pleasant than northern European Russia. I think it is less about weather and more about a cultural lethargy. The 20th Century was not kind to Russia or Russians. I don't think they have psychologically recovered from WW II let alone the damage done by the Soviet Union. Its just damned hard to get them to leave the Russian 'homeland' around the Moscow-St Petersburg axis.
Moscow and St Petersburg though aren't as harsh as Siberia, and young Russians aren't their grandparents. They don't necessarily want to live in towns that have been dying since the the Soviet days.

Moscow and St Petersburg are 'culture' cities in Russia and, even if they are really expensive to live in, they offer a lot of opportunity if you have connections. Likewise and back to the topic, there are plenty of not only ethnic Russians but Russian citizens that live in Ukraine for one reason or the other. Some of the cities are quite nice. Most younger urban Ukrainians look at those Baltic countries that have joined the EU and see a life that they want. If you get the right degree and training, you can also earn enough to live pretty well. The cost of living has gone up but it is nothing like those big Russian cities.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #437 on: March 14, 2022, 01:04:45 PM »
These are Russians, not guys and gals from San Diego. Moscow and St Petersburg are not exactly sunny and warm either. In fact the southern most parts of Siberia are much more pleasant than northern European Russia. I think it is less about weather and more about a cultural lethargy. The 20th Century was not kind to Russia or Russians. I don't think they have psychologically recovered from WW II let alone the damage done by the Soviet Union. Its just damned hard to get them to leave the Russian 'homeland' around the Moscow-St Petersburg axis.
Moscow and St Petersburg though aren't as harsh as Siberia, and young Russians aren't their grandparents. They don't necessarily want to live in towns that have been dying since the the Soviet days.

Moscow and St Petersburg are 'culture' cities in Russia and, even if they are really expensive to live in, they offer a lot of opportunity if you have connections. Likewise and back to the topic, there are plenty of not only ethnic Russians but Russian citizens that live in Ukraine for one reason or the other. Some of the cities are quite nice. Most younger urban Ukrainians look at those Baltic countries that have joined the EU and see a life that they want. If you get the right degree and training, you can also earn enough to live pretty well. The cost of living has gone up but it is nothing like those big Russian cities.

And you keep saying the same thing. And its wrong. Moscow and St Petersburg are brutally cold, and the areas in the southern Siberia are much better weatherwise.

As for Ukraine, I couldn't care less. They are the very opposite of a 'shining example of a growing democracy'. They have mismanaged their country horribly electing or selecting one corrupt government after another. They have a bad history of oppressing ethnic minorities. But ultimately they have shown themselves to be utter fools when acting as a group making one unwise decision after another and then blaming everyone else but themselves. Not admirable at all. Of course you can say the same thing about the USSA. Why I live in Mexico.

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« Reply #438 on: March 14, 2022, 01:05:08 PM »
I don't think they have psychologically recovered from WW II let alone the damage done by the Soviet Union.

The reason why russia is so psychologically damaged is a mystery to this day. A guess is that Russias cultural ancestor are the monguls instead of the romans. The damage existed far before WWII. Which if anything exists as somewhat of a element of unifying pride.

As for Ukraine, I couldn't care less. They are the very opposite of a 'shining example of a growing democracy'. They have mismanaged their country horribly electing or selecting one corrupt government after another. They have a bad history of oppressing ethnic minorities. But ultimately they have shown themselves to be utter fools when acting as a group making one unwise decision after another and then blaming everyone else but themselves. Not admirable at all. Of course you can say the same thing about the USSA. Why I live in Mexico.
...Is that meant as kind of a joke on the nature of corruption in every nation?
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« Reply #439 on: March 14, 2022, 01:45:02 PM »
Biden said Iranian instead of Ukrainian in his SotU speech. Bad mistake, but he said it correctly many other times in the same speech. He should be very embarrassed and apologize, but it's ultimately just a slip of the tongue.

Harris laughed when asked about Ukrainian refugees, in a press conference with the president of Poland. Very inappropriate, but we know she basically has Tourette's, except with laughter. That means she frequently comes across very poorly, but it doesn't necessarily reflect on her knowledge and competence.

But most recently, during a speech to the DNC, Harris said "the United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people in defense of the NATO Alliance."

NATO is a mutual defense pact. The nations who are part of it have pledged to treat an attack against any member as an attack against all members. This is a very strong commitment, because it involves sacrificing domestic lives to preserve other countries. Potentially a lot of lives, for foreigners the average American may not care a lot about

Except Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Not knowing isn't just a slip of the tongue. The person who is a heartbeat away from being the Commander in Chief doesn't know who the US's allies are, and which countries the US has pledged the lives of their young men and women to defend.
Did you expect a demented old hair-sniffer and an actual whore to do their homework and at least sound intelligent?

Just a point of order, what do you have against actual whores and why would an actual whore not at least sound intelligent as much as any non-whore? Particularly in this case (though I do not agree she is a whore, I am going with your line of thinking on this) at least a world's top 10 most noteworthy successful whore? I mean we're talking a person who, in your world view, whored her way all the way to the vice presidency of the United States, and you think that's a sign of her lack of intelligence?

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #440 on: March 14, 2022, 02:04:29 PM »
And you keep saying the same thing. And its wrong. Moscow and St Petersburg are brutally cold, and the areas in the southern Siberia are much better weatherwise.
Except I am not. I didn't say Moscow and St Petersburg aren't cold, but they aren't sub-arctic. There's a difference. Also, that's where any real investment and innovation happens. You don't see a lot of young people wanting to go to Vladivostok for university, do you?

As for Ukraine, I couldn't care less. They are the very opposite of a 'shining example of a growing democracy'. They have mismanaged their country horribly electing or selecting one corrupt government after another. They have a bad history of oppressing ethnic minorities. But ultimately they have shown themselves to be utter fools when acting as a group making one unwise decision after another and then blaming everyone else but themselves. Not admirable at all. Of course you can say the same thing about the USSA. Why I live in Mexico.
If you don't care one way or another, then why are you bothering to comment here?

The Ukraine of the 90s is not the Ukraine of now. They have a ways to go, but shaking out corruption isn't all that easy, especially with Russia meddling.
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« Reply #441 on: March 14, 2022, 02:39:05 PM »
No Ukraine is corrupt as hell all by itself. But nobody there voted for a war with Russia.

The eastern side of Russia is more friendly with it, so what Putin is doing is quite literally killing all his popular support in Ukraine.


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« Reply #442 on: March 14, 2022, 04:58:33 PM »
And you keep saying the same thing. And its wrong. Moscow and St Petersburg are brutally cold, and the areas in the southern Siberia are much better weatherwise.
Except I am not. I didn't say Moscow and St Petersburg aren't cold, but they aren't sub-arctic. There's a difference. Also, that's where any real investment and innovation happens. You don't see a lot of young people wanting to go to Vladivostok for university, do you?

As for Ukraine, I couldn't care less. They are the very opposite of a 'shining example of a growing democracy'. They have mismanaged their country horribly electing or selecting one corrupt government after another. They have a bad history of oppressing ethnic minorities. But ultimately they have shown themselves to be utter fools when acting as a group making one unwise decision after another and then blaming everyone else but themselves. Not admirable at all. Of course you can say the same thing about the USSA. Why I live in Mexico.
If you don't care one way or another, then why are you bothering to comment here?

The Ukraine of the 90s is not the Ukraine of now. They have a ways to go, but shaking out corruption isn't all that easy, especially with Russia meddling.

hahaha.. particularly not with Hunter and Joe Biden meddling... If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

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« Reply #443 on: March 14, 2022, 05:56:15 PM »
If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

While I find this deeply ignorant, at least its honest.

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« Reply #444 on: March 14, 2022, 06:04:52 PM »
If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

While I find this deeply ignorant, at least its honest.

Get past the Mainstream Media coverage. Explore just some recent history. Ukraine is a disgrace of a country. I am not pro-Russia, but I am sure as hell not pro-Ukraine. It is only good for Western politicians to launder their money.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #445 on: March 14, 2022, 06:06:18 PM »
And you keep saying the same thing. And its wrong. Moscow and St Petersburg are brutally cold, and the areas in the southern Siberia are much better weatherwise.
Except I am not. I didn't say Moscow and St Petersburg aren't cold, but they aren't sub-arctic. There's a difference. Also, that's where any real investment and innovation happens. You don't see a lot of young people wanting to go to Vladivostok for university, do you?

As for Ukraine, I couldn't care less. They are the very opposite of a 'shining example of a growing democracy'. They have mismanaged their country horribly electing or selecting one corrupt government after another. They have a bad history of oppressing ethnic minorities. But ultimately they have shown themselves to be utter fools when acting as a group making one unwise decision after another and then blaming everyone else but themselves. Not admirable at all. Of course you can say the same thing about the USSA. Why I live in Mexico.
If you don't care one way or another, then why are you bothering to comment here?

The Ukraine of the 90s is not the Ukraine of now. They have a ways to go, but shaking out corruption isn't all that easy, especially with Russia meddling.

hahaha.. particularly not with Hunter and Joe Biden meddling... If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

Oh look, a little commie stooge. What a shock.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #446 on: March 14, 2022, 06:07:04 PM »
If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

While I find this deeply ignorant, at least its honest.

Get past the Mainstream Media coverage. Explore just some recent history. Ukraine is a disgrace of a country. I am not pro-Russia, but I am sure as hell not pro-Ukraine. It is only good for Western politicians to launder their money.

He's from Ukraine, with immediate family there right now, you ignorant little stooge.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #447 on: March 14, 2022, 06:19:42 PM »
If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

While I find this deeply ignorant, at least its honest.

Get past the Mainstream Media coverage. Explore just some recent history. Ukraine is a disgrace of a country. I am not pro-Russia, but I am sure as hell not pro-Ukraine. It is only good for Western politicians to launder their money.

He's from Ukraine, with immediate family there right now, you ignorant little stooge.

Then he knows what I am saying is true. He may not like it, but that don't make it false. There has been a lot of things wrong happening in Ukraine. The EU Associates Agreement economically crippled Ukraine, Molodova, and Georgia. The fake talk about Ukraine becoming part of NATO... not good. The US encouraging the current regime to 'go down in flames' before allowing the information about the US politicians criminal behavior in Ukraine to come out. The current Ukrainian government is a disgrace... just a bunch of corrupt puppets working for some criminal oligarchs.

I understand how Ukrainians don't like to here these truths. Just like I don't like to hear the truths about the USSA. It hurts me. But I accept the truth. So should Ukrainians.

But what do I know. I used to live in Georgia before the BeerBug, traveled across all of Eastern Europe on business and pleasure, and I have clients right now in Ukraine (and some who have escaped from the country in order to avoid being conscripted into the Ukrainian military). I don't trust anything I am hearing. Its all lies. Perhaps when this is all over we will get some truth, but I doubt even then.  TTFN. Have a lovely day! :)

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« Reply #448 on: March 14, 2022, 06:23:35 PM »


hahaha.. particularly not with Hunter and Joe Biden meddling... If I had to choose between Russia and Ukraine I would choose Russia every time. Thank God I don't have to. If only the USSA was a little better than both.

Oh look, a little commie stooge. What a shock.
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HHAHAHA! Did someone say something that hoooort your wittle fweeelling Mistwell??? Then that person must be a [FILLIN THE BLANK ACCORDING TO WHICH TYPE OF RETARD YOU ARE]. I may be wrong -- I certainly have been wrong before --  but I would like to think I am just a tiny bit smarter than accusing anyone who disagrees with me of being a 'commie stooge...'

Hahahahahaha! What a retard you. But you are entertaining. Thanks for the laugh! :)

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #449 on: March 14, 2022, 06:25:39 PM »
Explore just some recent history. Ukraine is a disgrace of a country.
So the people there deserve subjegation or death?

I used to live in Georgia before the BeerBug, traveled across all of Eastern Europe on business and pleasure, and I have clients right now in Ukraine (and some who have escaped from the country in order to avoid being conscripted into the Ukrainian military).
Man those whacky Ukrainians. Conscripting civilians for SOME reason.  ;D

He's from Ukraine, with immediate family there right now, you ignorant little stooge.
Nah, not a stooge, just a moron or a troll. Who unironically says he lives in MEXICO to avoid governmental corruption.