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Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.

Started by Jam The MF, February 24, 2022, 12:54:20 AM

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Shasarak

Luckily the Ghost of Kiev is there to give Putin his BTFO that no one else is man enough to do.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Tubesock Army

Quote from: 3catcircus on March 02, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 02, 2022, 02:45:07 PM
I see tubesnake's not bothering to show the footage of Sleepy Joe stumbling repeatedly on the steps of AF1.

Or discussing his slurred declarations.

Or anything else, really.

You own this, tubesnake. Don't be shy. It's what you wanted. Gas and food prices skyrocketing, war in Ukraine, moribund economy, inflation. The whole nine yards.

Go ahead and post your own clip, nothing stopping you. If Biden is so impaired, it should be easy to find a comparable unedited compilation.

That first one was JUST FROM 2019.

As far as inflation and gas prices, it's not ideal, but given everything that's going on, I'll live. It's worth it. It's not forever.

SLAVA UKRAINI

Here ya go.  This is just one of many...

https://youtu.be/hHEJSALygi0

Okay, but I specifically asked for one that isn't edited. Also, this one contains outright lies. Whereas the one I posted didn't. Sorry, I figured you wouldn't be able to find a comparable clip. I was right.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/01/brit-hume/geriatrics-experts-say-brit-humes-claim-joe-biden-/

Pat

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 04:15:18 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 02, 2022, 04:08:54 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 03:48:18 PM

As far as inflation and gas prices, it's not ideal, but given everything that's going on, I'll live. It's worth it. It's not forever.

Inflation is worth what? What did we get in exchange?

It's not always about what WE get. Caring about freedom means caring about everyone's freedom, not just your own. Putin has needed to get BTFO'd for a long time. Yes, I realize there are a lot of places and people in the world who need help. But I'm not gonna WHUDDABOUT anyone's struggle for freedom and sovereignty. Ukraine is a damn good start.

As far as what we get out of it, a stronger international community and worldwide backlash against dictatorial governments is pretty cool in my book. Putin took a gamble that his campaign to weaken NATO, divide the west, and fracture democracies worldwide would pay off dividends. So far, he appears to be losing. that bet. So far.

As a bonus, people everywhere are seeing what a REAL struggle for freedom looks like. Spoiler: it ain't having to wear a mask to go to Costco.

Win-win.
Inflation is the cost of freedom, and inflation is what beat Putin?

<slowly backs away>

3catcircus

Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: 3catcircus on March 02, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 02, 2022, 02:45:07 PM
I see tubesnake's not bothering to show the footage of Sleepy Joe stumbling repeatedly on the steps of AF1.

Or discussing his slurred declarations.

Or anything else, really.

You own this, tubesnake. Don't be shy. It's what you wanted. Gas and food prices skyrocketing, war in Ukraine, moribund economy, inflation. The whole nine yards.

Go ahead and post your own clip, nothing stopping you. If Biden is so impaired, it should be easy to find a comparable unedited compilation.

That first one was JUST FROM 2019.

As far as inflation and gas prices, it's not ideal, but given everything that's going on, I'll live. It's worth it. It's not forever.

SLAVA UKRAINI

Here ya go.  This is just one of many...

https://youtu.be/hHEJSALygi0

Okay, but I specifically asked for one that isn't edited. Also, this one contains outright lies. Whereas the one I posted didn't. Sorry, I figured you wouldn't be able to find a comparable clip. I was right.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/01/brit-hume/geriatrics-experts-say-brit-humes-claim-joe-biden-/

Never confuse inability with laziness...  I'm sure if I cared enough, I'd find multiple non-compilations.  Hell, last night's SOTU, for one.

Ghostmaker

Quote from: 3catcircus on March 02, 2022, 07:18:26 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: 3catcircus on March 02, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
Quote from: Tubesock Army on March 02, 2022, 03:48:18 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 02, 2022, 02:45:07 PM
I see tubesnake's not bothering to show the footage of Sleepy Joe stumbling repeatedly on the steps of AF1.

Or discussing his slurred declarations.

Or anything else, really.

You own this, tubesnake. Don't be shy. It's what you wanted. Gas and food prices skyrocketing, war in Ukraine, moribund economy, inflation. The whole nine yards.

Go ahead and post your own clip, nothing stopping you. If Biden is so impaired, it should be easy to find a comparable unedited compilation.

That first one was JUST FROM 2019.

As far as inflation and gas prices, it's not ideal, but given everything that's going on, I'll live. It's worth it. It's not forever.

SLAVA UKRAINI

Here ya go.  This is just one of many...

https://youtu.be/hHEJSALygi0

Okay, but I specifically asked for one that isn't edited. Also, this one contains outright lies. Whereas the one I posted didn't. Sorry, I figured you wouldn't be able to find a comparable clip. I was right.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/01/brit-hume/geriatrics-experts-say-brit-humes-claim-joe-biden-/

Never confuse inability with laziness...  I'm sure if I cared enough, I'd find multiple non-compilations.  Hell, last night's SOTU, for one.
It's called 'he's brazenly hoping he can bullshit his way through the accusation'.

Joe Biden was never a great brain to start with. And now that his neurons are decaying into tapioca pudding, it's just getting worse.

Hey tubesnake, maybe you can get a job changing Gropey Joe's diapers when he shits them.

Shasarak

Quote from: Pat on March 02, 2022, 04:32:20 PM
Inflation is the cost of freedom, and inflation is what beat Putin?

<slowly backs away>

If your countries main export is oil and energy then you really hate inflation.


:P
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Ghostmaker

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/398075.php

Why exactly are we buying oil from Russia again?

I mean, we just can't seem to figure out how to hit them in the pocketbook. All we have to do is actually -use what we have-.

So go ahead, motherfuckers. Talk about 'treason'. Explain to me why we're buying Russian oil.

Zelen

What's the general tenor people have been experiencing about this conflict? Are people falling for the propaganda to instigate WW3, or are people keeping their heads?

Shrieking Banshee

I find it hilarious there is a shortage of Ukraine flags because I think that flag generally sucks!

What an ironic twist to have Ukraine relevant after all these years.

3catcircus

Quote from: Zelen on March 03, 2022, 06:52:32 PM
What's the general tenor people have been experiencing about this conflict? Are people falling for the propaganda to instigate WW3, or are people keeping their heads?

Based upon what I'm seeing, most are falling for it.  One has to only maintain a questioning attitude.  The problem is that most people are educated enough to parrot what they've been told but not educated enough to question what they've been told.

They also can't understand that you can be sympathetic to the plight of Ukie civilians without wanting to get into another 20-year war.  It doesn't help that Westerners don't understand the Slavic mindset - regardless of benign-ness of NATO membership, to Putin and Lukashenko, they see themselves surrounded by NATO.

One also questions why the US hasn't stopped buying Russian oil - even though it's only a few % of our imports, it's still hard currency in Putin's warchest.  Meanwhile, they're banning Russian and Belorussian cripples from the Paralympics and blocking Russian citizens' access to western media apple pay, and financial markets.  It's all just virtue signalling bullshit because it doesn't actually penalize the Russian government (only the people) and it doesn't help the Ukrainians.  Is Apple going to shut down FoxConn factories if China invades Taiwan?  Meanwhile Russians are scrambling to open up accounts with Chinese banks...

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the West doesn't give a metric fuck-ton about Ukraine beyond the ability to use them against Russia.  If the West *really* gave a shit without getting 8nvolved in another war adventure,  they'd be putting supplies onto transport planes and closing China's access to western finance - but of course Ukrainians can't be seen wielding more western hardware than the older generation Javelins that Europe has given them and we don't *really* want to disrupt Russia while the current political theater is going on...

Jaeger

Quote from: 3catcircus on March 03, 2022, 07:37:50 PM
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They also can't understand that you can be sympathetic to the plight of Ukie civilians without wanting to get into another 20-year war. It doesn't help that Westerners don't understand the Slavic mindset - regardless of benign-ness of NATO membership, to Putin and Lukashenko, they see themselves surrounded by NATO.

This is big.

The situation sucks for the Ukrainian people.

But it's just not our business.

The Elites in power have played all kinds of underhanded geopolitical games for rea$on$ that have fuck-all to do with the national security of the actual US citizenry.

They got their bluff called, and now they expect everyone to enthusiastically follow them into WW3.

Fuck that.


Quote from: 3catcircus on March 03, 2022, 07:37:50 PM
Let's not lose sight of the fact that the West doesn't give a metric fuck-ton about Ukraine beyond the ability to use them against Russia. ...

And as propaganda vehicle to distract the people from other issues...



"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

Pat

I'm very anti-Putin and sympathetic to the Ukrainians, but the propaganda is completely over the top and the way every nation is acting in lockstep is creepy beyond belief. Switzerland and Sweden are breaking with decades of neutrality, and Germany is actively supporting a war for the first time since what, WW2? And all this for a dubiously democratic nation nobody really cared about 2 weeks ago. This is mass media control and social credit score pressure on the national level. On the economic front they went from nah don't be silly to using the figurative nuclear option in a week. Combined with Russia's legitimate national security concerns, and how even Finland and Sweden are edging toward NATO membership as well -- do they not realize that trapping an animal in a corner with no way out is a bad idea when the animals has literal not figurative nukes? Not to mention the pressure on companies and individuals to support this war, leading to absolutely ridiculous cases of virtue signaling like banning Russian cats from cat shows, or people who are saying you can support a war by liking and sharing YouTubes and TikToks, and isn't that great?

Shrieking Banshee

I agree. Well I guess this is how war will happen with the internet now. Propaganda as strong as in the 1920s.

Zelen

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 03, 2022, 10:12:00 PM
I agree. Well I guess this is how war will happen with the internet now. Propaganda as strong as in the 1920s.

Way stronger.
Worse, we let women get involved in politics now. It's not a coincidence our political scene is driven by hyperemotionalism and herd mentality.

Eirikrautha

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 09:42:04 PM
I'm very anti-Putin and sympathetic to the Ukrainians, but the propaganda is completely over the top and the way every nation is acting in lockstep is creepy beyond belief. Switzerland and Sweden are breaking with decades of neutrality, and Germany is actively supporting a war for the first time since what, WW2? And all this for a dubiously democratic nation nobody really cared about 2 weeks ago. This is mass media control and social credit score pressure on the national level. On the economic front they went from nah don't be silly to using the figurative nuclear option in a week. Combined with Russia's legitimate national security concerns, and how even Finland and Sweden are edging toward NATO membership as well -- do they not realize that trapping an animal in a corner with no way out is a bad idea when the animals has literal not figurative nukes? Not to mention the pressure on companies and individuals to support this war, leading to absolutely ridiculous cases of virtue signaling like banning Russian cats from cat shows, or people who are saying you can support a war by liking and sharing YouTubes and TikToks, and isn't that great?
That's because Ukraine has been a haven for political money laundering.  US politicians, on both sides of the aisle, funnel money to Ukraine via charities and programs, only to have a portion funneled back to them or their families.  These folks aren't defending the Ukranian people; their defending their wallets...