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Re: Pundit
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2022, 12:39:16 AM »
I've been watching your videos for years and there is something that continues to confuse me.  Perhaps you have addressed this early on in a video that I missed.

The confusion I have is understanding why there's a woke vs sane people battle in gaming.  I know a lot about it from following your videos.  I have a good idea who is on what side, what tactics are being used, what the end goals are, etc.  The thing I'm missing is why.  Why are people who don't play D&D anyway so concerned with gaming?  Why does someone watch Critical Role and then get some emotional investment in the game the Critical Role people are playing?  I saw an episode of Friends once where Ross played Rugby and got beat up, but it didn't make me go on a crusade against the dangers of Rugby.  Why can't the wokists just make their own games and be happy?  Why do they have to try to stop other people's games?  Similarly, why can't they just not buy the games they don't like, why do they have try to get the designer of that game fired with no thought at all to the children that designer might be feeding and clothing?  How are their lives improved by spending all that time trying to destroy the lives of others who never did anything to them?

I have a grasp on the goings-on in the gaming battles presently, but I don't understand the history of it getting to this point.  I know there was a defunct storygame site called The Forge where they hung out, but I don't know how you get from them hanging out in their own corner of the internet to them attmpting to ruin the livelihoods and enjoyment of everyone else, and apparently so committed to it that they spend years of unrelenting effort to destroy a harmless pasttime that has done nothing but offer people fond memories and great friendships.
The way I see it. There isn't any real woke vs sane people battle at all. It is a simple fact that RPG's and D&D are becoming more and more accepted as a hobby to be enjoyed by everyone. That people who have not been as welcome to the hobby in the past are now accepted as a part of the hobby. In general society is growing and becoming more accepting of people and more inclusive and our hobby is following that path.

I think it is great that our hobby is more open to more people and that our hobby is growing. More people playing D&D is good for everyone.

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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2022, 01:32:15 AM »
double post.
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2022, 04:18:52 AM »
The way I see it. There isn't any real woke vs sane people battle at all. It is a simple fact that RPG's and D&D are becoming more and more accepted as a hobby to be enjoyed by everyone. That people who have not been as welcome to the hobby in the past are now accepted as a part of the hobby. In general society is growing and becoming more accepting of people and more inclusive and our hobby is following that path.

I think it is great that our hobby is more open to more people and that our hobby is growing. More people playing D&D is good for everyone.

To say games are becoming more inclusive is a bit flawed.  Sure, there are more obvious attempts made to represent different groups and to accommodate different peoples personal beliefs and triggers, but there's also a growing feeling that if you're not from one of those groups or don't hold those beliefs/triggers you are a bad person who should not be allowed to play.
   
 

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« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2022, 05:58:23 AM »
I've been watching your videos for years and there is something that continues to confuse me.  Perhaps you have addressed this early on in a video that I missed.

The confusion I have is understanding why there's a woke vs sane people battle in gaming.  I know a lot about it from following your videos.  I have a good idea who is on what side, what tactics are being used, what the end goals are, etc.  The thing I'm missing is why.  Why are people who don't play D&D anyway so concerned with gaming?  Why does someone watch Critical Role and then get some emotional investment in the game the Critical Role people are playing?  I saw an episode of Friends once where Ross played Rugby and got beat up, but it didn't make me go on a crusade against the dangers of Rugby.  Why can't the wokists just make their own games and be happy?  Why do they have to try to stop other people's games?  Similarly, why can't they just not buy the games they don't like, why do they have try to get the designer of that game fired with no thought at all to the children that designer might be feeding and clothing?  How are their lives improved by spending all that time trying to destroy the lives of others who never did anything to them?

I have a grasp on the goings-on in the gaming battles presently, but I don't understand the history of it getting to this point.  I know there was a defunct storygame site called The Forge where they hung out, but I don't know how you get from them hanging out in their own corner of the internet to them attmpting to ruin the livelihoods and enjoyment of everyone else, and apparently so committed to it that they spend years of unrelenting effort to destroy a harmless pasttime that has done nothing but offer people fond memories and great friendships.
The way I see it. There isn't any real woke vs sane people battle at all. It is a simple fact that RPG's and D&D are becoming more and more accepted as a hobby to be enjoyed by everyone. That people who have not been as welcome to the hobby in the past are now accepted as a part of the hobby. In general society is growing and becoming more accepting of people and more inclusive and our hobby is following that path.

I think it is great that our hobby is more open to more people and that our hobby is growing. More people playing D&D is good for everyone.

The way you see it is wrong and colored by misinformation.

But hey, let's hear about which people you think were not as welcome into the hobby as others. Who were they? Why were they considered not as welcome?
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« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2022, 06:34:31 AM »
The RPG games community has, in many ways, become less tolerant and inclusive. Social Justice ideologues have been trying to control the community and push dissenters past the margins.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2022, 08:46:39 AM »
"Not inclusive" = Players are expected to conform themselves to informal group standards of behavior that don't alienate others

"Inclusive" = Exclude 50% or more of players for being problematic to less than 1% of players' socially maladaptive behavior

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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2022, 10:48:05 AM »
"Not inclusive" = Players are expected to conform themselves to informal group standards of behavior that don't alienate others

"Inclusive" = Exclude 50% or more of players for being problematic to less than 1% of players' socially maladaptive behavior
Pretty much this. When your ideology is based around the concept of Oppressor/Oppressed dynamics where Oppressed, Minority and Good are synonymous as are Oppressor, Majority and Evil, then of course the majority of any population must be evil and must be punished for their oppression of the saintly minority.

Never mind that that group was a minority because their actions/behaviors (ex. screeching Karenism, pathological narcissism, etc.) made them unpleasant to be around… they were the minority, ergo oppressed, ergo good and need to have their toxicity embraced and endorsed and the majority’s rejection of that toxicity reframed as evil incarnate.

And most of the rank and file of this ideology don’t even bother to understand that the real purpose behind those who pushed this ideology into their skulls weren’t doing so out of altruism, but the desire to divide so they can conquer.

The aim of the real pushers of this ideology is to so atomize society that no one will have sufficient support to oppose the technocratic dictates of people who believe their enlightened positions (i.e. mommy and daddy had enough money/connections to send them to the right schools and make the right social connections) give them the right to rule all those they believe are beneath them in whatever manner they see fit.

In terms of the RPG industry, we aren’t even dealing with the ones actually behind all this… we’re dealing with the brainwashed minions who genuinely believe that by pushing what is actually intolerance and hatred they are doing their part to usher in the promised utopia.

It’s no wonder so much of their work product is lukewarm mush… they don’t have the actual spirit needed for genuine creativity. That was stomped right out of them in the process of pounding the oppressed/oppressor narrative into them.

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2022, 08:07:56 AM »
But hey, let's hear about which people you think were not as welcome into the hobby as others. Who were they? Why were they considered not as welcome?

Hah, good luck getting answers to this.

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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2022, 11:32:00 AM »
But hey, let's hear about which people you think were not as welcome into the hobby as others. Who were they? Why were they considered not as welcome?

Hah, good luck getting answers to this.

It is how it usually happens. You ask them for even anecdotal experience of this exclusionary behavior and nothing is presented. It is like they were telling a lie so that they could fit in.
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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2022, 05:44:03 PM »
But hey, let's hear about which people you think were not as welcome into the hobby as others. Who were they? Why were they considered not as welcome?

Hah, good luck getting answers to this.

It is how it usually happens. You ask them for even anecdotal experience of this exclusionary behavior and nothing is presented. It is like they were telling a lie so that they could fit in.


Or they somehow almost always game with the worst DM and/or players who usually Aldo almost always “ gatekeep “ then from the hobby for being a woman, gay or trans. Try telling the mentally ill that during the 1970-8is and for the better part of the 99s no one dared to say they’re wee gay or face unfortunate social stigma. Women and especially trans players are on every corner. Essentially no matter they year or decade it was 2022.

As it won’t go against their carefully constructed personal narratives.

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« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2022, 09:46:54 AM »
The way people talk about "inclusivity" makes me cringe. Imagine if I flipped through a jazz record collection and then started ranting about not "seeing myself" because too many of the musicians are black.

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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2022, 01:59:26 AM »
The way people talk about "inclusivity" makes me cringe. Imagine if I flipped through a jazz record collection and then started ranting about not "seeing myself" because too many of the musicians are black.

Or if I started ranting about why there aren't more Caucasian people in Hong Kong wuxia films, or Korean TV dramas, or Nollywood (i.e. the Nigerian film industry) action movies.
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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2022, 12:09:12 AM »
Personally ? - I miss the Blogs....I'm not that into the videos.

 Think its partly because Pundit's voice doesn't match what I imagined it would sound like.
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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2022, 05:58:02 PM »
I miss the Blogs....I'm not that into the videos.

Think its partly because Pundit's voice doesn't match what I imagined it would sound like.

That's not an uncommon reaction. One of my favourite fantasy authors is Guy Gavriel Kay, whose work I absolutely love, but I find it very hard to listen to him reading his own work because he simply doesn't have a very euphonious voice.
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