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Author Topic: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.  (Read 100764 times)

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #960 on: September 16, 2022, 10:56:23 AM »
Don't feed the troll. By zher logic, zhe'd rather see zher own son die than catch the gay.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #961 on: September 16, 2022, 11:52:00 AM »
Don't feed the troll. By zher logic, zhe'd rather see zher own son die than catch the gay.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #962 on: September 16, 2022, 01:22:33 PM »
I'm a bit baffled here.
One side, as it's retreating, is leaving behind mass graves at almost every town they relinquish.  The other is holding Gay Pride Parades.
Are there really some people who have trouble telling who the villains are here?

Edit: spelling
The mass graves I've seen photos of are graves marked with crosses with numbers written on them.
Apparently they contain both civilians and soldiers killed in the conflict.
Should the combatants leave the dead lying on the ground to rot or bury them?



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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #963 on: September 16, 2022, 01:59:38 PM »
A) You've got concrete proof of those mass graves? I've seen the media talk about finding mass graves. I don't trust the media because the media has a tendency to lie.

This is a ludicrous argument unless you can define what evidence could look like which you wouldn't dismiss short of flying you personally to Ukraine to show you a mass grave. Which, let's face it, you'd probably still say, "That could have been done by Ukrainians."

But I will give you a chance. You tell me what kind of evidence would be sufficient for you to even consider the possibility they are mass graves committed by Russian troops.

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« Reply #964 on: September 16, 2022, 02:09:23 PM »
I'm a bit baffled here.
One side, as it's retreating, is leaving behind mass graves at almost every town they relinquish.  The other is holding Gay Pride Parades.
Are there really some people who have trouble telling who the villains are here?

Edit: spelling
The mass graves I've seen photos of are graves marked with crosses with numbers written on them.
Apparently they contain both civilians and soldiers killed in the conflict.
Should the combatants leave the dead lying on the ground to rot or bury them?

Witnesses report mass executions, including some who escaped from those mass executions. Many of the corpses had their hands tied behind their backs. Some also hand ropes around their necks. Many showed signs of torture.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 02:11:48 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #965 on: September 16, 2022, 04:42:26 PM »
1) Why do gays do more damage to society? I mean, you can write books and books on the topic. To put it briefly - they erode the civic virtue of society. When you don't have civic virtue, you don't have a society. No, I will not bother justifying this statement - look up the definition of "civic virtue" and then go read "After the Ball" https://archive.org/details/afterballhowamer00kirkrich and you will see how homosexuality and civic virtue are incompatible.

2) I'm a Jew from the former USSR. I literally have relatives and friends on opposite sides of the conflict. The notion of an American trying to lecture me on a conflict that they have 0 emotional investment in is ludicrous.

3) Yes, photographs and footage of "mass graves" and "mass execution" sites are unconvincing. If you trust the media - ANY media, with 0 exception - you are a gullible idiot and I am interested in selling you shares of the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #966 on: September 16, 2022, 05:11:49 PM »
All right troll face, I'll bite.

1. The Holomodor was not even a century ago and you're wanking on about "civic virtue"? Get a grip.

2. Who are you talking to? You assume everyone here is American. Idiot.

3. Anything can be faked, including evidence that supports your opinion. 
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #967 on: September 16, 2022, 05:44:11 PM »
1) Why do gays do more damage to society? I mean, you can write books and books on the topic. To put it briefly - they erode the civic virtue of society. When you don't have civic virtue, you don't have a society. No, I will not bother justifying this statement - look up the definition of "civic virtue" and then go read "After the Ball" https://archive.org/details/afterballhowamer00kirkrich and you will see how homosexuality and civic virtue are incompatible.

So you can't explain yourself succinctly enough to do so in a forum post and you refuse to justify your own statement that homosexuals do more damage to a society than mass murderers do.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #968 on: September 16, 2022, 05:48:33 PM »
All right troll face, I'll bite.

1. The Holomodor was not even a century ago and you're wanking on about "civic virtue"? Get a grip.

2. Who are you talking to? You assume everyone here is American. Idiot.

3. Anything can be faked, including evidence that supports your opinion. 

What does the Holodomor have to do with civic virtue?

Yes, I do assume everyone I talk to is an American. Because y'know, heuristics. But even if you aren't American, unless you're from the ex-USSR, your opinion isn't worth much.

Yes, exactly. I trust literally nothing. Cogito ergo sum, and all that, only there isn't a benevolent deity to help you out of that one. But we have verifiable proof that the media has outright lied multiple times.

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So you can't explain yourself succinctly enough to do so in a forum post and you refuse to justify your own statement that homosexuals do more damage to a society than mass murderers do.

So you got nothing.

Read the book - it's not a long read - and it'll answer your question. Homosexuals do way more damage than mass murderers, because the presence of homosexual damages ALL of society. A mass murderer will eventually run out of bullets or what have you, but a homosexual - or any sort of sexual deviant that demands that society bend towards their whim - will keep damaging society even past their death.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #969 on: September 16, 2022, 06:05:31 PM »
1) Why do gays do more damage to society? I mean, you can write books and books on the topic. To put it briefly - they erode the civic virtue of society.

Because "Invading nations, committing mass executions of civilians in mass graves, torturing people, and blowing up everything in your path" doesn't erode "civic virtue of a society" as much as gay pride parades?

This is pathetic even for your trolling. I mean, would Stalin have been considered the good guy as long as he was stopping gays? Pol Pot just peachy keen as long as he is stopping the gays?

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3) Yes, photographs and footage of "mass graves" and "mass execution" sites are unconvincing. If you trust the media - ANY media, with 0 exception - you are a gullible idiot and I am interested in selling you shares of the Brooklyn Bridge.

I will ask again: this is a legit response ONLY if you can state what evidence would be acceptable to you to prove the mass graves and executions are real. If you can't, then you're just saying meaningless shit.
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« Reply #970 on: September 16, 2022, 06:26:35 PM »
First it was measuring skulls to determine humanity/guilt.

Now it's a portmanteau mainly used by the ACTUAL Far-Right.

Bet the troll will also claim zhe doesn't really believe this and that "It was just a prank dude!".
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #971 on: September 16, 2022, 09:34:24 PM »
I'm a bit baffled here.
One side, as it's retreating, is leaving behind mass graves at almost every town they relinquish.  The other is holding Gay Pride Parades.
Are there really some people who have trouble telling who the villains are here?

Edit: spelling
The mass graves I've seen photos of are graves marked with crosses with numbers written on them.
Apparently they contain both civilians and soldiers killed in the conflict.
Should the combatants leave the dead lying on the ground to rot or bury them?

Witnesses report mass executions, including some who escaped from those mass executions. Many of the corpses had their hands tied behind their backs. Some also hand ropes around their necks. Many showed signs of torture.

In 1914 people a huge mass of people agreed that Russian soldiers were landing in England. People talked about trains they saw full of Russian soldiers, Russians who they witnessed marching down streets, or soldiers loitering about lighting cigars and singing songs. It never happened.

https://sci-hub.se/10.2752/147800414X13802176314528

We live in a world where governments can and do lie every single day. They're lying about Covid right now. They're lying about the January 6th civic demonstration right now. They can easily stage an event, put someone in a costume, pay an actor for a performance, or create a video from scratch depicting something that never happened.

I don't know why you would trust anything either side says about this conflict. Blindly believing accusations based on one side's propaganda is foolish and irrational.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 09:37:28 PM by Zelen »

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #972 on: September 16, 2022, 09:36:45 PM »
I'm a bit baffled here.
One side, as it's retreating, is leaving behind mass graves at almost every town they relinquish.  The other is holding Gay Pride Parades.
Are there really some people who have trouble telling who the villains are here?

Edit: spelling
The mass graves I've seen photos of are graves marked with crosses with numbers written on them.
Apparently they contain both civilians and soldiers killed in the conflict.
Should the combatants leave the dead lying on the ground to rot or bury them?

Witnesses report mass executions, including some who escaped from those mass executions. Many of the corpses had their hands tied behind their backs. Some also hand ropes around their necks. Many showed signs of torture.

In 1914 people a huge mass of people agreed that Russian soldiers were landing in England. People talked about trains they saw full of Russian soldiers, Russians who they witnessed marching down streets, or soldiers loitering about lighting cigars and singing songs. It never happened.

https://sci-hub.se/10.2752/147800414X13802176314528

We live in a world where governments can and do lie every single day. They can easily stage an event, put someone in a costume, pay an actor for a performance, or create a video from scratch depicting something that never happened.

I don't know why you would trust anything either side says about this conflict. Blindly believing accusations based on one side's propaganda is foolish and irrational.

What evidence would you accept? I mean, this is such a cowardly cop out dismissal. It's a convenient way for you to justify any position, much like holocaust deniers. Unless you can state clearly the type of evidence you would accept, it's just garbage.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 09:39:17 PM by Mistwell »

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« Reply #973 on: September 16, 2022, 09:41:49 PM »
What evidence would you accept? I mean, this is such a cowardly cop out dismissal. It's a convenient way for you to justify any position. Unless you can state clearly the type of evidence you would accept, it's just garbage.

I mean, does my opinion on the conflict matter at all?
I'm just taking a rational disinterest in the subject matter because I recognize that the US is lying, Russia is lying, Ukraine especially has been brazenly lying in ways that even its allies acknowledged was dangerous and could've provoked nuclear escalation.

The only way I could get legitimate information about it is to either go there myself, or for people who I know and trust to go there. That's not going to happen, so I accept that I don't know what I don't know and move on.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #974 on: September 16, 2022, 09:43:03 PM »
What evidence would you accept? I mean, this is such a cowardly cop out dismissal. It's a convenient way for you to justify any position. Unless you can state clearly the type of evidence you would accept, it's just garbage.

I mean, does my opinion on the conflict matter at all?
I'm just taking a rational disinterest in the subject matter because I recognize that the US is lying, Russia is lying, Ukraine especially has been brazenly lying in ways that even its allies acknowledged was dangerous and could've provoked nuclear escalation.

The only way I could get legitimate information about it is to either go there myself, or for people who I know and trust to go there. That's not going to happen, so I accept that I don't know what I don't know and move on.

How is your approach meaningfully different than the approach holocaust deniers use to deny the holocaust happened?

I mean, this is the same thing Russia did in Chechnya. Why do you think they've changed?
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