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Author Topic: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.  (Read 47801 times)

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2022, 03:55:52 PM »
But dont worry Shrieking Banshee, with the Russian web site down there is nothing that they can do now.
That and the 'Putin Teh Gay' memes are sure to get him packing.

Just so the non-retards get a sense of perspective: Ukraine is a country filled with people like anywhere else. But like many Ex-soviet bloc country, lacked any real sense of national identity because it was a vassal state for so long (Im talking a period of hundreds of years). Without any real unity sans 'Fuck the genocidal russians' it fell to corruption and division, with many sub-groups wanting different things. Some wanted to be more European and others wanted to be more Russian.
As a result the levers of internal power mostly belong to corrupt oligarchs and the general citizenry apathetic about the place they live in. This makes it a very attractive target for a man like Putin (who Il state for the peanut gallery, is insane and stupid for doing this).

As it stands right now, Ukraine cannot win.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2022, 04:11:38 PM »
This is a fake claim by Russian state media hth
I have secondhand reports from people that live there, but your delusional so it doesn't matter.

I think your an utterly contemptible human being. Pack your bags and ship out to Ukraine right now. Fucking do it if its a cause worth fighting for.

It boils my blood that people are dying to be a spectactle for people like you.

Tubesock is a filthy commie scum, this is just another thing he knows/understands jack shit but likes to talk about. And since the Orange Man Bad (who is both Orange and Bad) was kinda sorta against the Ukranian regime then he must be in favor of because the Orange Man is Bad.

Funny things is I bet Trump being kinda crazy was keeping Putin, Pooh and the idiot from North Korea at bay.
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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2022, 04:15:06 PM »
Funny things is I bet Trump being kinda crazy was keeping Putin, Pooh and the idiot from North Korea at bay.
I don't know if he really was or not. Im not in the mood for 'Repubs/Demos'. I don't see this as a 'Own' on Biden. Currently stuff just sucks.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2022, 04:40:31 PM »


Edit: it breaks my heart to see the people of Ukraine under attack.

No, it doesn't.

You are just another troll on the Internet who laughs at the tragic events. You are beneath contempt. Your own avatar quote is, "I'M JUST HERE TO LAUGH AT YOU."

Fuck off already.


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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2022, 05:02:03 PM »
None of the players involved are white hats. Remember that.

Ukraine would routinely fuck with the pipelines feeding Russian oil to Europe. Russia, of course, has been playing silly buggers for a while with Ukraine territory. Europe is made up of feckless retards, and the U.S. leadership couldn't plan a kindergarten birthday party.

But it's all Trump's fault. Even though Putin made no moves during Trump's tenure. Despite Trump being a 'puppet'.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2022, 05:15:39 PM »
Funny things is I bet Trump being kinda crazy was keeping Putin, Pooh and the idiot from North Korea at bay.
I don't know if he really was or not. Im not in the mood for 'Repubs/Demos'. I don't see this as a 'Own' on Biden. Currently stuff just sucks.

Again, sorry for what your family's going through, Shrieking Banshee. Yesterday I went to a demonstration in front of SF City Hall organized by the Nova Ukraine organization, and heard a lot of Ukrainian-American speakers. I was serious before about what Ukrainian charity to give to - I'd be interested in your input. I'm still leaning right now towards United Help Ukraine.

https://unitedhelpukraine.org/


None of the players involved are white hats. Remember that.

Ukraine would routinely fuck with the pipelines feeding Russian oil to Europe.

WTF? The people who are the bad guys here are the ones pushing in invading armies to conquer Ukraine - i.e. the Russians. Nothing that Ukraine did to Russia justifies or excuses this. I can't comprehend anyone who thinks that "it's complicated" as opposed to the Russians being the bad guys. I have friends in Russia, and they think exactly the same. This was someone I met at the demonstration yesterday:


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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2022, 05:22:33 PM »
I can't comprehend anyone who thinks that "it's complicated" as opposed to the Russians being the bad guys.
As he said white hats. As in cowboy. This isn't black hat white hat. This is the good, the bad, and the ugly. As in all the actors here are degrees of grey. Russia is the blackest, but Ukraine was a ugly country way before they started meddling. And 'The good' have their own interests invested in it, and don't mind if it ends up a punching bag if they got to play keep-away with Putin.

In terms of charity Id say find things focused on helping refugees. Those are the people I think will really need the help and have reduced chances of being corrupt.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2022, 05:30:14 PM »
I can't comprehend anyone who thinks that "it's complicated" as opposed to the Russians being the bad guys.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2022, 05:31:09 PM »


Wait, is he apologizing as a Russian for Russia's actions, or is he apologizing for being Russian? If the former, that's silly, but I can appreciate the sentiment. If the latter, ugh.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2022, 05:44:30 PM »
But dont worry Shrieking Banshee, with the Russian web site down there is nothing that they can do now.
[snipped for brevity] This makes it a very attractive target for a man like Putin (who Il state for the peanut gallery, is insane and stupid for doing this).
I agree almost entirely with your post (and hope your Mom and extended family are okay). The only thing I’ll disagree on is the Putin is stupid part.

With the whole EU and even America dependent on Russian oil because our insane ecofreaks have insisted we cut off our own energy production there was no way either could impose any meaningful sanctions on Russia without collapsing their economies.

In other words, he went in knowing their couldn’t be any meaningful repercussions from those most likely to object (vs. during the Trump administration where the US energy policy would have allowed more serious sanctions).

He also went in knowing he had sufficient control to quash any opponents to his goals at home and doesn’t give two wet farts what foreign countries who’ve been demonizing him for decades think of him… so what if they say he’s “triple-plus bad” instead of just “double-plus bad” now?

Hell, our country is so feckless it sent out a spokesman to claim that this is actually a loss for Putin because the narrative makes us the good guys and him the bad guy… that the “narrative” is what’s important as Putin occupies real territory with a real army and laughs at our generals who pat themselves on the back for their latest diversity and inclusion measures.

There’s a lot of stupid people in the above scenario. Putin isn’t one of them.

Ruthless? Yeah. Insane? Probably (though those saying he wants to rebuild the USSR are wrong; from what I’ve read it’s actually the old Russian Empire he’s out to rebuild which is a whole different brand of crazy). Stupid? No.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2022, 05:50:46 PM »
Ruthless? Yeah. Insane? Probably (though those saying he wants to rebuild the USSR are wrong; from what I’ve read it’s actually the old Russian Empire he’s out to rebuild which is a whole different brand of crazy). Stupid? No.

Here is the deal: My father is on the front end of buisness consulting in Russia (not tanksor bombs or whatever- air travel and medicide). These sanctions won't bother puttin, but will send back almost every industry he has (outside of basic resources) decades. Unless his energy control means sanctions get lifted, this is like a Mob Boss amputating his own arm to gain a irradiated crack den.

But from what I hear the Ukrainian president is hoping to get into diplomacy with Putin someplace sometime. I have no idea what happens next.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2022, 05:53:44 PM »
I can't comprehend anyone who thinks that "it's complicated" as opposed to the Russians being the bad guys.
As he said white hats. As in cowboy. This isn't black hat white hat. This is the good, the bad, and the ugly. As in all the actors here are degrees of grey. Russia is the blackest, but Ukraine was a ugly country way before they started meddling. And 'The good' have their own interests invested in it, and don't mind if it ends up a punching bag if they got to play keep-away with Putin.

In terms of charity Id say find things focused on helping refugees. Those are the people I think will really need the help and have reduced chances of being corrupt.

I don't disagree that there was ugly stuff in Ukraine prior to invasion. Still, in terms of the conflict itself, I think there is a clear right side and wrong side. Ukrainians defending their country from invasion are right. Russian troops invading are wrong. That doesn't mean that the Ukrainians are angels - just that they aren't wrong in the specific action of fighting back against being invaded.

United Help Ukraine is an established group that is currently rated well (85 / 100) in Charity Navigator, and is the highest rated among Ukraine-specific charities, and rates them on transparency of spending. I think it's important to give to someone with an established track record. Even if some other group professes to give only to refugees, I'd be suspicious of what they're actually doing. Here is the supposed focus of United Help Ukraine, from https://unitedhelpukraine.org/our-focus

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Medical Supplies

United Help Ukraine raises money to provide medical supplies for those injured in the war in Ukraine. These medical supplies save the lives of soldiers and civilians.

Humanitarian Aid

United Help Ukraine has ongoing clothes drives for the families that lost their loved ones because of the war. We shipped hundreds of boxes of summer and winter clothes for adults and kids of all ages.

Wounded Warrior

United Help Ukraine organizes dedicated fundraisers and helps wounded Ukrainian warriors, as well as the families of wounded and killed in the war.

Raising Awareness

United Help Ukraine has held multiple rallies in Washington, DC in support of Ukraine’s freedom and independence. We also organized multiple protests in response to Russia’s unlawful action in and against Ukraine.

That sounds fine to me, but if something sticks out to you with your Ukrainian background, let me know.

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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2022, 05:58:26 PM »
Still, in terms of the conflict itself, I think there is a clear right side and wrong side. Ukrainians defending their country from invasion are right. Russian troops invading are wrong. That doesn't mean that the Ukrainians are angels - just that they aren't wrong in the specific action of fighting back against being invaded.

Agreed. Putin is absolutely in the wrong in invading Ukraine.

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That sounds fine to me, but if something sticks out to you with your Ukrainian background, let me know.

Raising awareness is generally a money pit, but the rest are fine. But Im not a licenses charity checker.

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2022, 06:19:27 PM »
That sounds fine to me, but if something sticks out to you with your Ukrainian background, let me know.

Raising awareness is generally a money pit, but the rest are fine. But Im not a licenses charity checker.

Yes, I understand. Here is their assessment in Charity Navigator:

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/471837509

It's not perfect, but they seem transparent in where the money goes - and it's clearer than any other Ukraine-specific charity. So it's my pick based on my current information. Here's the donation link:

https://www.paypal.com/donate/?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=FAXD9R7CFB4SJ

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Re: Ukraine is under attack. It's a full on war.
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2022, 06:40:35 PM »
This is a fake claim by Russian state media hth
I have secondhand reports from people that live there, but your delusional so it doesn't matter.

I think your an utterly contemptible human being. Pack your bags and ship out to Ukraine right now. Fucking do it if its a cause worth fighting for.

It boils my blood that people are dying to be a spectactle for people like you.

Tubesock is a filthy commie scum, this is just another thing he knows/understands jack shit but likes to talk about. And since the Orange Man Bad (who is both Orange and Bad) was kinda sorta against the Ukranian regime then he must be in favor of because the Orange Man is Bad.

Funny things is I bet Trump being kinda crazy was keeping Putin, Pooh and the idiot from North Korea at bay.

Please find any pro-communist statements I have ever made. I'll wait. Who's the one talking out of their ass? Oh, that's right, it's you.