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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 50963 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #735 on: June 23, 2022, 03:40:23 PM »
That's not correct.

I'd say it is 100% correct, but please explain.
Not going to put words in HappyDaze’s mouth, but Wokeness started with Critical Theory, which goes back at least a few decades before 2020. The March of the Woke certainly accelerated in 2020, but I encountered Wokeness directly in the mid 2010s with the transgender ideology pushing “1+1=1” madness, and we’ll get you fired if you dare to disagree.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #736 on: June 23, 2022, 04:04:32 PM »
That's not correct.

I'd say it is 100% correct, but please explain.
Not going to put words in HappyDaze’s mouth, but Wokeness started with Critical Theory, which goes back at least a few decades before 2020. The March of the Woke certainly accelerated in 2020, but I encountered Wokeness directly in the mid 2010s with the transgender ideology pushing “1+1=1” madness, and we’ll get you fired if you dare to disagree.

Wait a second. I didn’t say it was new in 2020. Yes I remember the ideology from at least 2010 too and BLM goes back a few years too, but that’s not the point either. The reason why I link wokeness to so called “anti-racist” groups is because they used the word “woke”first. And then I linked it to 2020 to show that it is not manufactured outrage, it’s sometimes life and death.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #737 on: June 23, 2022, 05:02:57 PM »
That's not correct.

I'd say it is 100% correct, but please explain.
Not going to put words in HappyDaze’s mouth, but Wokeness started with Critical Theory, which goes back at least a few decades before 2020. The March of the Woke certainly accelerated in 2020, but I encountered Wokeness directly in the mid 2010s with the transgender ideology pushing “1+1=1” madness, and we’ll get you fired if you dare to disagree.

Wait a second. I didn’t say it was new in 2020. Yes I remember the ideology from at least 2010 too and BLM goes back a few years too, but that’s not the point either. The reason why I link wokeness to so called “anti-racist” groups is because they used the word “woke”first. And then I linked it to 2020 to show that it is not manufactured outrage, it’s sometimes life and death.
Ok, I misread your statement as meaning it started in 2020. I think it can be a long discussion as to when Wokeness began. If you’re talking about the philosophy that underpins Wokeness I think that can be pointed all the way back to the 1930s/40s and the development of postmodernism. If by Wokeness we’re talking about the cultish adherence to Critical Theory in general (not the specific legal theory) I think that probably can go back to when the first social media mobs started forming along with the insistence that social media was reality.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #738 on: June 23, 2022, 05:10:27 PM »
That's not correct.

I'd say it is 100% correct, but please explain.
Not going to put words in HappyDaze’s mouth, but Wokeness started with Critical Theory, which goes back at least a few decades before 2020. The March of the Woke certainly accelerated in 2020, but I encountered Wokeness directly in the mid 2010s with the transgender ideology pushing “1+1=1” madness, and we’ll get you fired if you dare to disagree.

Wait a second. I didn’t say it was new in 2020. Yes I remember the ideology from at least 2010 too and BLM goes back a few years too, but that’s not the point either. The reason why I link wokeness to so called “anti-racist” groups is because they used the word “woke”first. And then I linked it to 2020 to show that it is not manufactured outrage, it’s sometimes life and death.
Ok, I misread your statement as meaning it started in 2020. I think it can be a long discussion as to when Wokeness began. If you’re talking about the philosophy that underpins Wokeness I think that can be pointed all the way back to the 1930s/40s and the development of postmodernism. If by Wokeness we’re talking about the cultish adherence to Critical Theory in general (not the specific legal theory) I think that probably can go back to when the first social media mobs started forming along with the insistence that social media was reality.

  Best we keep it to where it hit the big stage IMO, I would say "hands up dont shoot" was where it made the big debut.  Though I agree that bacteria was cooking in the rotten meat for a loooong time before it popped out to the world.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #739 on: June 23, 2022, 05:17:51 PM »

  Best we keep it to where it hit the big stage IMO, I would say "hands up dont shoot" was where it made the big debut.  Though I agree that bacteria was cooking in the rotten meat for a loooong time before it popped out to the world.

Interestingly, I believe that was around the same time as Gamergate. No, I'm not of the belief that "Gamergate is behind everything", but it seems like shit was hitting the fan in general at that time.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #740 on: June 23, 2022, 05:25:38 PM »

  Best we keep it to where it hit the big stage IMO, I would say "hands up dont shoot" was where it made the big debut.  Though I agree that bacteria was cooking in the rotten meat for a loooong time before it popped out to the world.

Interestingly, I believe that was around the same time as Gamergate. No, I'm not of the belief that "Gamergate is behind everything", but it seems like shit was hitting the fan in general at that time.

  It was, I think gamergate was more of a canary in the mine than a cause.  But it definitely was a sign of how the "new normal" was ready to make a big step into the main stream.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #741 on: June 23, 2022, 06:40:16 PM »

  Best we keep it to where it hit the big stage IMO, I would say "hands up dont shoot" was where it made the big debut.  Though I agree that bacteria was cooking in the rotten meat for a loooong time before it popped out to the world.

Interestingly, I believe that was around the same time as Gamergate. No, I'm not of the belief that "Gamergate is behind everything", but it seems like shit was hitting the fan in general at that time.

  It was, I think gamergate was more of a canary in the mine than a cause.  But it definitely was a sign of how the "new normal" was ready to make a big step into the main stream.

GamerGate was two things.  First, it was the first pushback against the growing woke "consensus."  Part of the sheer vitriol and anger about GamerGate at the time was because the "righteous" just couldn't imagine that anyone would defy them.  Second, it was the first crossover between previous attempts to co-opt minor hobbies and a major hobby (video games make more money every year than movies).  So the woke thought they were going to move into the mainstream, and were furious that anyone might hinder their takeover.  On one hand it was a pretty big "win" for the woke, at least as far as the mainstream media tell it.  On the other, it showed that resistance was possible, and spawned that resistance in a number of hobbies that the woke thought they already owned.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #742 on: June 23, 2022, 06:51:18 PM »

  Best we keep it to where it hit the big stage IMO, I would say "hands up dont shoot" was where it made the big debut.  Though I agree that bacteria was cooking in the rotten meat for a loooong time before it popped out to the world.

Interestingly, I believe that was around the same time as Gamergate. No, I'm not of the belief that "Gamergate is behind everything", but it seems like shit was hitting the fan in general at that time.

  It was, I think gamergate was more of a canary in the mine than a cause.  But it definitely was a sign of how the "new normal" was ready to make a big step into the main stream.

GamerGate was two things.  First, it was the first pushback against the growing woke "consensus."  Part of the sheer vitriol and anger about GamerGate at the time was because the "righteous" just couldn't imagine that anyone would defy them.  Second, it was the first crossover between previous attempts to co-opt minor hobbies and a major hobby (video games make more money every year than movies).  So the woke thought they were going to move into the mainstream, and were furious that anyone might hinder their takeover.  On one hand it was a pretty big "win" for the woke, at least as far as the mainstream media tell it.  On the other, it showed that resistance was possible, and spawned that resistance in a number of hobbies that the woke thought they already owned.

  Well, to be honest I think it really showed that woke folk and mainstream media had obviously never played many online video games if they thought they were going to be able to get that herd of cats and their potty mouths to do anything that remotely resembles compliance to busy body dictates.   I agree you are right though that they were exasperated everyone did not immediately bend the knee given the roll the woke were on (NFL bought the hands up dont shoot hook line and sinker, we had turned Libya back to a slave market, "love is love" marriage equality was just around the bend (even if that loves smells of blood and feces), so those dipshits were not looking for speedbumps or road blocks.  Then fucking trump came and brains were broken.  I still wonder if those dummies realize THEY CREATED TRUMP.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #743 on: June 24, 2022, 05:53:45 AM »
Radical thought here: could this whole 'woke' issue be a big manufactured crisis meant to distract stupid (I.E. most)  people from real issues and the  fact most of the real crisis facing the american people are created by the American oligarchy?

We see rightard politicians crusading against 'woke' and fighting to pass 'anti woke' laws while people are dieing from lack of healthcare, people are losing their homes, people can't afford for and medicine,  runaway inflation while corporate profits are at record highs are destroying american homes and lives.

Meanwhile josh tinyhead Hawley is bragging about his anti woke political jyhad.

Sadly vast numbers of Americans are stupid enough to fall for this constantly....

"Wokeness" started with the so-called anti-racist movements like BLM. 2020 saw murders, parts of cities burning and sometimes taken over by "woke" groups. So no.

I think that the FBI could do something about the "woke" groups if they wanted to.

I mean they take out those far right extremist Parents who harass the poor school boards fast enough.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #746 on: June 24, 2022, 11:35:50 AM »
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRXDhJ1WUAMUSEG?format=jpg&name=medium

Spoken like a social Marxist useful idiot.....

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The guy with the cigar even looks like the dreaded “bourgeoisie”.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #747 on: June 24, 2022, 11:55:30 AM »
Radical thought here: could this whole 'woke' issue be a big manufactured crisis meant to distract stupid (I.E. most)  people from real issues and the  fact most of the real crisis facing the american people are created by the American oligarchy?

We see rightard politicians crusading against 'woke' and fighting to pass 'anti woke' laws while people are dieing from lack of healthcare, people are losing their homes, people can't afford for and medicine,  runaway inflation while corporate profits are at record highs are destroying american homes and lives.

Meanwhile josh tinyhead Hawley is bragging about his anti woke political jyhad.

Sadly vast numbers of Americans are stupid enough to fall for this constantly....

"Wokeness" started with the so-called anti-racist movements like BLM. 2020 saw murders, parts of cities burning and sometimes taken over by "woke" groups. So no.

I think that the FBI could do something about the "woke" groups if they wanted to.

I mean they take out those far right extremist Parents who harass the poor school boards fast enough.

 They are too busy knitting pink hats and dropping off pallets of bricks.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #748 on: June 24, 2022, 12:04:24 PM »
Radical thought here: could this whole 'woke' issue be a big manufactured crisis meant to distract stupid (I.E. most)  people from real issues and the  fact most of the real crisis facing the american people are created by the American oligarchy?

We see rightard politicians crusading against 'woke' and fighting to pass 'anti woke' laws while people are dieing from lack of healthcare, people are losing their homes, people can't afford for and medicine,  runaway inflation while corporate profits are at record highs are destroying american homes and lives.

Meanwhile josh tinyhead Hawley is bragging about his anti woke political jyhad.

Sadly vast numbers of Americans are stupid enough to fall for this constantly....

"Wokeness" started with the so-called anti-racist movements like BLM. 2020 saw murders, parts of cities burning and sometimes taken over by "woke" groups. So no.

I think that the FBI could do something about the "woke" groups if they wanted to.

I mean they take out those far right extremist Parents who harass the poor school boards fast enough.

I don't really approve of the FBI/federal government getting super involved where coercing the cultural Zeitgeist via force is involved. I think there'd be a lot of grassroots pushback and screams of authoritarianism, and some might even be justified. Also, weren't some of the people "harassing" the school boards not really doing much that was demonstrably illegal? I feel like the left is more likely to weaponize such institutions to inflict their opinions onto others than the right, and the right setting a precedent for that kind of potential misuse would not be good. If the woke do something illegal, fine, arrest and prosecute them. Especially for known persons committing arson or causing injury during rioting and the like. I think law enforcement agencies should do their jobs regardless of political ramifications, difficult though I acknowledge that may be. But I think it may be up to daily debate, political reform, and legal reform that protects constitutional rights to free speech and leads by example to solve the current woke crisis.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #749 on: June 25, 2022, 08:04:45 AM »
Wokeness is informed by Marxism, intersectional feminism, critical race theory, and yes the Frankfurt a school.