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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 107231 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #660 on: May 23, 2022, 12:41:54 PM »
Greetings!

This is all language-police Marxist bullshit.

There is nothing wrong with the term "Coloured", just like there is nothing wrong with the term "Negro".

People have been using such terms forever. Fuck these whining pussy morons for banning Mercedes Lackey and her husband. This is why we just need to secede. Fuck having anything todo with Libtard morons. They need to be stomped on everywhere like the fucking cockroaches that they are. Just look how they corrupt, ruin, and shit on every fucking thing in society? There's nothing to talk about; there is nothing to negotiate. Why would anyone want to even live anywhere near these fucking scum? These insane, evil, cultists need to be crushed. But you see, all of this kind of bullshit will simply continue, until a secession, or a cleansing. The Libtards will continue spreading misery, oppression, and tyranny, everywhere.

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If my Dad was alive today he'd probably have bricks thrown at him. LOL

He always used those terms. But to be fair he hadn't a racist bone in his body. He was just from that older generation.



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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #661 on: May 23, 2022, 01:12:12 PM »
I think there’s an honest suspicion of using the word Negro by a white person today. Especially if it’s heard as “nee-gro”. I’m too young to have used it myself, and I can see why that raises eyebrows in an English language context. It’s unavoidable to use that word in Spanish, and probably some other related languages, due to it simply meaning black.

I’m also too young to have used the term colored, but it’s bewildering that colored is forbidden, but people of color is ok. At least people of color was ok the last I understood. The Index of Approved Words and Terminology may have changed without my knowing it.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #662 on: May 23, 2022, 01:18:54 PM »
On the other hand, this just looks like the inevitable Woke eating their own. The sooner they destroy themselves the better.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #663 on: May 23, 2022, 01:32:53 PM »
On the other hand, this just looks like the inevitable Woke eating their own. The sooner they destroy themselves the better.

Let them munch each other to death.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #664 on: May 23, 2022, 02:25:21 PM »
The best part is the useless meat who complained, Jen Brown.

She wrote on Twitter about how she had 'an out of body experience'. Started to type several things (I think this must've been a virtual Zoom conference) and then stopped. She didn't try to correct Lackey. She didn't approach Lackey later and say 'Hey, um... please don't use that word again.' Instead, she went and cried on Twitter about how traumatic it was and talked about the 'power dynamics'.

The funniest part is that Lackey has been pretty left and 'diverse' in her writing for years -- hell, decades. But as Rob points out correctly, the left will devour its own as readily as any nonbeliever in their dogma.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #665 on: May 23, 2022, 02:40:21 PM »
It’s also a useful tool to remove competitors in their field. Never forget how competitive people can be over small stakes.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #666 on: May 23, 2022, 02:42:51 PM »
I think there’s an honest suspicion of using the word Negro by a white person today. Especially if it’s heard as “nee-gro”. I’m too young to have used it myself, and I can see why that raises eyebrows in an English language context. It’s unavoidable to use that word in Spanish, and probably some other related languages, due to it simply meaning black.

I’m also too young to have used the term colored, but it’s bewildering that colored is forbidden, but people of color is ok. At least people of color was ok the last I understood. The Index of Approved Words and Terminology may have changed without my knowing it.
That's akin to complaining about the word niggardly, because ignorant people don't know what it means and it kinda vaguely sorta sounds like another word.

Colored and negro both sound archaic. Rightly or wrongly, the language has moved on. But they shouldn't be anything to fear, or hate, or to consider an insult. The negative connotations people are associating with the words aren't inherent in the words itself, they're derived either from the underlying concept the word represents -- which makes the attempt to continually introduce new less offensive terms completely pointless, because the connotations will always follow (cf. handicapped / disabled / differently abled / whatever) -- or they're derived from the way we associate them with the time and place when the words were used, which wouldn't have happened if we just kept using the terms.

Not to mention, if we follow the logical consequences of this line of thinking, shouldn't we cancel the UNCF and NAACP? You can tell by their names that the United Negro College Fund and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People are hate groups.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #667 on: May 23, 2022, 03:06:33 PM »
Not 30 minutes ago on Facebook from Larry Correia
Quote from: Larry Correia
I'm still trying not to get banned, so this will be real diplomatic, and then I'm not going to argue in the comments.

SFWA is... imagine what I would normally say about them. Then add 30% more profanity than usual. There is no reason for any author to give money to that utterly useless organization.

For those of you just joining us, Mercedes Lackey got kicked out of the Nebulas. Ironically on the same weekend they were giving her the equivalent to a lifetime achievement award. They also preemptively kicked out her husband, even though he wasn't even there, and had said nothing.

Her crime? Apparently while praising a "person of color" she called him a "colored person." Misty is 72.

Also, the author she said this about (who I have zero respect for, but fair is fair) has made a public statement that he wasn't offended, didn't care, and Misty hadn't done anything wrong.

However, some junior wannabe writer nobody has ever heard of got offended on his behalf. So they booted their newest grand master, and preemptively booted her husband. Both of whom are old hippies who have supported every progressive cause you can think of, to the point that Misty was writing gay protagonists before most of these woke dopes were born.

SFWA, being SFWA, issued a statement saying she got kicked out for using "a racial slur". However they also pulled the actual video of the panel so nobody could judge for themselves.

My only comment to Misty Lackey and Larry Dixon is that I tried to warn you guys. You thought I was exaggerating how awful these people were. Nope. And once they ran out of right wingers to destroy, now they eat the liberals. Nobody can ever be woke enough for them, and eventually you will cross one of their lines somehow, and all those times you supported or coddled their nonsense in the past won't matter.

This whole thing makes me laugh, because "Author of Color" is practically mandatory woke speak. I wrote this on my blog almost 10 years ago about how incredibly stupid these lefty linguistic gymnastics are - "I really need to write a blog post about the most racist term still in use, People of Color. Man, I hate that term so very much. It is just Colored People backwards, but of course, liberals are all about grouping people into easily manageable victim blocks and don’t really give a crap about the content of anyone’s character, so this shouldn’t exactly be a surprise."

Only thing I'd change is that the people pushing this aren't actually liberals. That's the skin suit they wear. Now that my people have bailed out of all the institutions they've corrupted, they are still addicted to outrage, so they are eating the liberals.

On that note it has been fun watching almost all of Misty's long time liberal writer friends saying absolutely nothing in public, because they understand they helped feed and grow this wolf, and it'll just as easily turn and eat them if they draw its rage.

Meanwhile, all us wrongthink writers are like "See? We told you so."

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #668 on: May 23, 2022, 03:10:53 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/daily/jan99/district27.htm

That may be true, but it’s been the world we’ve been living in. The above link goes back to 1999. The dude didn’t take into account his audience, and used a $5 word when “stingy” would have worked. He was caught between the culture of the elite which prizes using uncommon words in discussion, and working in DC where using any word that sounds like the n-word will cause problems. He may have been using niggardly correctly, but he also almost certainly regrets that he did use it.

When it turns out that the person being sent to the gallows is among the Woke, I also decide that I have 0 fucks to give.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #669 on: May 23, 2022, 03:18:46 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #670 on: May 23, 2022, 03:28:06 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.
It's that association with "harm" that's the problem. The fundamental argument is that certain words cause harm, and we must punish those who cause harm. The latter part is true; we do want to punish people who harm other people. But in a functional society, we need a clear, concrete, and objective definition of harm. Once it's in the realm of subjective feelings, it's just a weapon that can be abused by bullies. And the Woke are definitely bullies.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #671 on: May 23, 2022, 06:41:12 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #672 on: May 23, 2022, 07:25:56 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.
Escalation isn't the answer if your trying to return to civility. If, on the other hand, you just want to cede to them that you are a monster, then by all means, engage in your stupid plan.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #673 on: May 23, 2022, 07:54:27 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.
When you’re belief system is neo-Gnosticism wrapped in a venier of “science” how can they not have that vulnerability? They are obsessed with “narratives” because they honestly believe that reality will actually change to match whatever story you get enough people to believe in hard enough.

When you believe that, then any words or belief to the contrary IS a deliberate attempt to keep them from the world as they imagine it. It is also why they purity spiral… because once they’ve purged the unbelievers and their utopia doesn’t emerge then it’s because someone in the group doesn’t believe hard enough and so must be purged too.

They are literally at war with reality and bound to lose because reality doesn’t give the slightest fuck about what they believe.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #674 on: May 23, 2022, 09:09:51 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.
Escalation isn't the answer if your trying to return to civility. If, on the other hand, you just want to cede to them that you are a monster, then by all means, engage in your stupid plan.
Funny enough, politeness and civility didn't seem to be an issue when dueling was a common practice...