Turning the corner on "woke"?

[Ratman_tf]

I see what you're saying, man. But that's the question, I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person? The term life is nebulous at best (in the early stages).

No, it's not nebulous. It's as close as you can get to a universal scientific consensus. Life starts at conception.

The sperm and egg cells before conception aren't alive?

[Rob Necronomicon]

I see what you're saying, man. But that's the question, I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person? The term life is nebulous at best (in the early stages).

No, it's not nebulous. It's as close as you can get to a universal scientific consensus. Life starts at conception.

The sperm and egg cells before conception aren't alive?

I'll just quote myself there:
"I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person?"

[GeekyBugle]

I see what you're saying, man. But that's the question, I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person? The term life is nebulous at best (in the early stages).

No, it's not nebulous. It's as close as you can get to a universal scientific consensus. Life starts at conception.

The sperm and egg cells before conception aren't alive?

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

[Rob Necronomicon]

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

A mouse fart? Oh, I'd forgotten you were here...

Oh, so you want to talk now, after all your lame ad hominem attacks? I'm happy to talk to anyone, but you and cowPat can go fuck a few goats. 

[GeekyBugle]

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

A mouse fart? Oh, I'd forgotten you were here...

Oh, so you want to talk now, after all your lame ad hominem attacks? I'm happy to talk to anyone, but you and cowPat can go fuck a few goats. 

Wait, are you a sock account of Ratman_tf? Or is he the sock account?

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

[Rob Necronomicon]

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

Is that supposed to be an insult? See, I've been screwing her and my 8 sisters for decades. I'll make love to anything animal, vegetable or mineral I don't discriminate. 

[GeekyBugle]

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

Is that supposed to be an insult? See, I've been screwing her and my 8 sisters for decades. I'll make love to anything animal, vegetable or mineral I don't discriminate. 

I totally believe you. Now go back to that and leave the rest of us to try and have an honest conversation you disingenuous twat.

[Rob Necronomicon]

Dp

[Rob Necronomicon]

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

Is that supposed to be an insult? See, I've been screwing her and my 8 sisters for decades. I'll make love to anything animal, vegetable or mineral I don't discriminate. 

I totally believe you. Now go back to that and leave the rest of us to try and have an honest conversation you disingenuous twat.

I'm so glad you do, I'm the Irish Leather Face.

I'm a bit confused, however. So why are you talking to me then little man? You see, I'm now getting the impression that you might be gay and have a bit of a crush on me because you keep wanting to talk to me. It's actually very weird... Because I've stopped talking to you and cowPat. I'm just responding.

But hey don't be ashamed of having a crush on me. Nothing wrong with being gay my little bugler. Toot that little horn of yours. 

[Ghostmaker]

Here's why some of you retarded monkeys need to rethink this whole 'define a person' galaxy-brain take.

There are actual adults I don't consider 'people'. They're either figurative vegetables or they're outright inhuman predators.

You want to keep making the call that the unborn aren't alive, aren't people? Okay.

I'm gonna start potting shitheads. And once again, I bet MY argument that they're not people is better than YOUR argument that babies aren't people.

[yancy]

Here's why some of you retarded monkeys need to rethink this whole 'define a person' galaxy-brain take.

There are actual adults I don't consider 'people'. They're either figurative vegetables or they're outright inhuman predators.

You want to keep making the call that the unborn aren't alive, aren't people? Okay.

I'm gonna start potting shitheads. And once again, I bet MY argument that they're not people is better than YOUR argument that babies aren't people.

Leftists weren't real keen on defining what a "person" is before their precious right to kill babies at any time they damn well feel like it was vaguely threatened.

And they still aren't; they just want to tell you whatever definition of "person" you come up with is wrong, in some misguided hope that this will make them feel more secure that their right to kill babies at any time they damn well feel like it is not, and will never be, in any kind of jeopardy.

[DocJones]

I'll just quote myself there:
"I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person?"

I believe that science shows that it is both alive and a human being from conception.
Person is of course the legal term for when a being has rights, particularly in this case the right to life.
The choices I've heard are:
1) from conception
2) when the heart starts beating
3) when they feel pain
4) when they are conscious
5) at birth
I go with 1.

[3catcircus]

I'll just quote myself there:
"I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person?"

I believe that science shows that it is both alive and a human being from conception.
Person is of course the legal term for when a being has rights, particularly in this case the right to life.
The choices I've heard are:
1) from conception
2) when the heart starts beating
3) when they feel pain
4) when they are conscious
5) at birth
I go with 1.

The only problem with #1 is the cells aren't differentiated right then and there.  The whole sperm meets egg and turned into zygote is about 3 weeks after copulation...

[Rob Necronomicon]

I'll just quote myself there:
"I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person?"

I believe that science shows that it is an alive and a human being from conception.
Person is of course the legal term for when a being has rights, particularly in this case the right to life.
The choices I've heard are:
1) from conception
2) when the heart starts beating
3) when they feel pain
4) when they are conscious
5) at birth
I go with 1.

Okay, that's fair enough man...

But I'm going to politely disagree. And I'm also going to say that science says that life is on a continuum. That is to say, it doesn't suddenly exist like an on/off light switch. That's where the (before) 12 weeks come from (that might vary a little in some countries plus or minus).

So as far as I'm concerned I've no problem with it before those 12 weeks. Later abortion is dubious but if the mother is in danger that may be a viable option. So at the end of the day, I'm agreeing with our well-researched Irish law.

You may disagree which is fine.

[GeekyBugle]

Why do I call this turd a disingenuous twat? Judge by yourselves:

I see what you're saying, man. But that's the question, I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person? The term life is nebulous at best (in the early stages).

No, it's not nebulous. It's as close as you can get to a universal scientific consensus. Life starts at conception.

The sperm and egg cells before conception aren't alive?

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

A mouse fart? Oh, I'd forgotten you were here...

Oh, so you want to talk now, after all your lame ad hominem attacks? I'm happy to talk to anyone, but you and cowPat can go fuck a few goats. 

Wait, are you a sock account of Ratman_tf? Or is he the sock account?

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

Since I suspect the answer is neither go fuck your whore mother.

Is that supposed to be an insult? See, I've been screwing her and my 8 sisters for decades. I'll make love to anything animal, vegetable or mineral I don't discriminate. 

I totally believe you. Now go back to that and leave the rest of us to try and have an honest conversation you disingenuous twat.

I'm so glad you do, I'm the Irish Leather Face.

I'm a bit confused, however. So why are you talking to me then little man? You see, I'm now getting the impression that you might be gay and have a bit of a crush on me because you keep wanting to talk to me. It's actually very weird... Because I've stopped talking to you and cowPat. I'm just responding.

But hey don't be ashamed of having a crush on me. Nothing wrong with being gay my little bugler. Toot that little horn of yours. 

Go clean your whore mothers twat of her clients juice you simp.