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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #465 on: April 29, 2022, 08:05:41 PM »
I agree that it probably will feel like more of a cesspool to many, but that is better than a forum in which only one political party is able to express themselves, the other side being labeled as “evil”. But yeah, you’re probably going to see more people screaming about “teh Jeeews!”. That’s just the price to pay I guess.

  Like the dude running Iran likes to say on twitter....now?  I think there will be a bit of it in the USA, but if that was such a concern, why do we let a guy who runs Iran spout off on twitter?  I have no doubt there will be a "rise in white supremacist violence", which they have to use prison stabbings to make look like a thing now.  Anti semitism, fascism, etc are not a worry IMO, those ideas can easily be shot down and disproven in moments, and people pushing them are just retards outing themselves.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #466 on: April 29, 2022, 08:18:43 PM »
I agree that it probably will feel like more of a cesspool to many, but that is better than a forum in which only one political party is able to express themselves, the other side being labeled as “evil”. But yeah, you’re probably going to see more people screaming about “teh Jeeews!”. That’s just the price to pay I guess.

  Like the dude running Iran likes to say on twitter....now?  I think there will be a bit of it in the USA, but if that was such a concern, why do we let a guy who runs Iran spout off on twitter?  I have no doubt there will be a "rise in white supremacist violence", which they have to use prison stabbings to make look like a thing now.  Anti semitism, fascism, etc are not a worry IMO, those ideas can easily be shot down and disproven in moments, and people pushing them are just retards outing themselves.

I’m curious; did he actually ramble about Jews on Twitter?

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #467 on: April 29, 2022, 08:38:48 PM »
I agree that it probably will feel like more of a cesspool to many, but that is better than a forum in which only one political party is able to express themselves, the other side being labeled as “evil”. But yeah, you’re probably going to see more people screaming about “teh Jeeews!”. That’s just the price to pay I guess.

  Like the dude running Iran likes to say on twitter....now?  I think there will be a bit of it in the USA, but if that was such a concern, why do we let a guy who runs Iran spout off on twitter?  I have no doubt there will be a "rise in white supremacist violence", which they have to use prison stabbings to make look like a thing now.  Anti semitism, fascism, etc are not a worry IMO, those ideas can easily be shot down and disproven in moments, and people pushing them are just retards outing themselves.

The main Anti-Semitism that I see at the moment seems to be Black on Jew crime which is not allowed to be reported because it does not fit the narrative.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #468 on: April 30, 2022, 02:15:08 AM »
This is more significant than you give it credit to it’s the first real challenge to big techs monopoly. The algorithm going open source also will expose the bias we knew was there. My eye is on the feds atm at what they will do. We know they are in bed with social media and big tech to get around 1st ammendment violations
I'm interested in seeing the algorithm go open source and be allowed to be examined.

I'd like to see how my social media feed is being manipulated.

As far as 1st amendment violations, it remains to be seen. Free speech is protected from government action, not private corporations (which is why being banned on twitter is not a 1st amendment violation). Twitter can implement whatever limitations on speech it desires now and under Musk. If Musk wants to open the flood gates, so be it. We can let the 'free market' decide. In light of the lack of popularity of other so called 'free speech' platforms... this can probably ruin Twitter as a platform.

In my opinion, the people clamouring the most about free speech are the ones whose speech is the most abhorred.

So the fuck what? No seriously so the fuck what? Free Speech is just that, Free fucking Speech. Everyone gets to say what they want. Jesus Christ this sort of thinking is the height of concern trolling.

"Oh no if we let people say what they want, they might say mean things!"

Yeah they might. That's what the block button is for.
The cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. But lefties don't understand that.

Remember: Your speech is violence, to them.

I agree on the block button, though. Some people aren't worth talking to. But that's a decision by the individual, not for some nebulous 'committee' to decide.

   The thing that makes me scratch my head, is there is a *very* obvious target for those people regarding free speech.  Right wing populism absolutely terrifies them.  They immediately equate anything right of them as nazi, and seem to think that "nazi" ideas are some zombie virus that argumentation and facts can not over come.  Extremely strange that fear IMO.   Meanwhile, a kid can see literally any sort of disgusting porn imaginable through any slip of device security you can imagine on the internet.  It seems the priorities are oddly muddled with regards to "protecting" people's minds.

They see it that way because they don't understand that they are moving further and further left - to them, it's like they are standing still and everyone else is moving further right even though it's the exact opposite.  At this point, they all need to be institutionalized for mental illness.
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #469 on: April 30, 2022, 05:27:57 AM »
This is more significant than you give it credit to it’s the first real challenge to big techs monopoly. The algorithm going open source also will expose the bias we knew was there. My eye is on the feds atm at what they will do. We know they are in bed with social media and big tech to get around 1st ammendment violations
I'm interested in seeing the algorithm go open source and be allowed to be examined.

I'd like to see how my social media feed is being manipulated.

As far as 1st amendment violations, it remains to be seen. Free speech is protected from government action, not private corporations (which is why being banned on twitter is not a 1st amendment violation). Twitter can implement whatever limitations on speech it desires now and under Musk. If Musk wants to open the flood gates, so be it. We can let the 'free market' decide. In light of the lack of popularity of other so called 'free speech' platforms... this can probably ruin Twitter as a platform.

In my opinion, the people clamouring the most about free speech are the ones whose speech is the most abhorred.

So the fuck what? No seriously so the fuck what? Free Speech is just that, Free fucking Speech. Everyone gets to say what they want. Jesus Christ this sort of thinking is the height of concern trolling.

"Oh no if we let people say what they want, they might say mean things!"

Yeah they might. That's what the block button is for.
The cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. But lefties don't understand that.

Remember: Your speech is violence, to them.

I agree on the block button, though. Some people aren't worth talking to. But that's a decision by the individual, not for some nebulous 'committee' to decide.

   The thing that makes me scratch my head, is there is a *very* obvious target for those people regarding free speech.  Right wing populism absolutely terrifies them.  They immediately equate anything right of them as nazi, and seem to think that "nazi" ideas are some zombie virus that argumentation and facts can not over come.  Extremely strange that fear IMO.   Meanwhile, a kid can see literally any sort of disgusting porn imaginable through any slip of device security you can imagine on the internet.  It seems the priorities are oddly muddled with regards to "protecting" people's minds.

They see it that way because they don't understand that they are moving further and further left - to them, it's like they are standing still and everyone else is moving further right even though it's the exact opposite.  At this point, they all need to be institutionalized for mental illness.
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #470 on: April 30, 2022, 09:57:22 AM »
I agree that it probably will feel like more of a cesspool to many, but that is better than a forum in which only one political party is able to express themselves, the other side being labeled as “evil”. But yeah, you’re probably going to see more people screaming about “teh Jeeews!”. That’s just the price to pay I guess.

  Like the dude running Iran likes to say on twitter....now?  I think there will be a bit of it in the USA, but if that was such a concern, why do we let a guy who runs Iran spout off on twitter?  I have no doubt there will be a "rise in white supremacist violence", which they have to use prison stabbings to make look like a thing now.  Anti semitism, fascism, etc are not a worry IMO, those ideas can easily be shot down and disproven in moments, and people pushing them are just retards outing themselves.

I’m curious; did he actually ramble about Jews on Twitter?

  i don't know that it was a ramble, I remember a tweet calling Israel a cancerous tumor that must be removed.   Many similar tweets, some pretty direct with this feelings and words.  But he kept it short usually.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #471 on: April 30, 2022, 09:59:02 AM »
This is more significant than you give it credit to it’s the first real challenge to big techs monopoly. The algorithm going open source also will expose the bias we knew was there. My eye is on the feds atm at what they will do. We know they are in bed with social media and big tech to get around 1st ammendment violations
I'm interested in seeing the algorithm go open source and be allowed to be examined.

I'd like to see how my social media feed is being manipulated.

As far as 1st amendment violations, it remains to be seen. Free speech is protected from government action, not private corporations (which is why being banned on twitter is not a 1st amendment violation). Twitter can implement whatever limitations on speech it desires now and under Musk. If Musk wants to open the flood gates, so be it. We can let the 'free market' decide. In light of the lack of popularity of other so called 'free speech' platforms... this can probably ruin Twitter as a platform.

In my opinion, the people clamouring the most about free speech are the ones whose speech is the most abhorred.

So the fuck what? No seriously so the fuck what? Free Speech is just that, Free fucking Speech. Everyone gets to say what they want. Jesus Christ this sort of thinking is the height of concern trolling.

"Oh no if we let people say what they want, they might say mean things!"

Yeah they might. That's what the block button is for.
The cure for bad speech is more speech, not less. But lefties don't understand that.

Remember: Your speech is violence, to them.

I agree on the block button, though. Some people aren't worth talking to. But that's a decision by the individual, not for some nebulous 'committee' to decide.

   The thing that makes me scratch my head, is there is a *very* obvious target for those people regarding free speech.  Right wing populism absolutely terrifies them.  They immediately equate anything right of them as nazi, and seem to think that "nazi" ideas are some zombie virus that argumentation and facts can not over come.  Extremely strange that fear IMO.   Meanwhile, a kid can see literally any sort of disgusting porn imaginable through any slip of device security you can imagine on the internet.  It seems the priorities are oddly muddled with regards to "protecting" people's minds.

They see it that way because they don't understand that they are moving further and further left - to them, it's like they are standing still and everyone else is moving further right even though it's the exact opposite.  At this point, they all need to be institutionalized for mental illness.
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

  You can change out Christian for "ally" or "progressive" and it sounds about right for current day.   

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #472 on: April 30, 2022, 11:58:45 AM »

  You can change out Christian for "ally" or "progressive" and it sounds about right for current day.

Yes, it’s not at all where the right is right now (e.g. Ben Shapiro is not even a Christian yet he is among the most popular on the right), but the questions of purity and virtue signaling are running deep on the left. Any statement that could be interpreted the “wrong way” has to be prefaced by a lengthy “I am big supporter of gay/women’s/minorities rights but…” and even that rarely helps. Seriously, you can be a leftist and a feminist, but if you’re not the right kind of feminist, you’re under attack, as J K Rowling has experienced.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #473 on: April 30, 2022, 01:39:16 PM »
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Based on the new abortion restriction laws being passed, I think the Christian right do still have some influence, but I do think it's much less than it was.

The curious thing to me about changes is how the right have shifted closer to some of my positions that in past decades used to be viewed as leftist or progressive -- opposition to U.S. foreign wars, opposition to corporate power, and free speech. In the 1990s and 2000s, mainstream Democrats have usually been hawkish - but at least less hawkish than Republicans (60% of Democrats voted against Bush's Iraq war). Neither party used to be supportive of free speech - efforts in the 1990s to censor lyrics were bipartisan, for example, but opposition to this was more from the left. And corporations would naturally cater to whoever was in power, but laws and action to rein them in (like anti-trust) more often came from the left.

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #474 on: April 30, 2022, 03:25:57 PM »
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Based on the new abortion restriction laws being passed, I think the Christian right do still have some influence, but I do think it's much less than it was.

The curious thing to me about changes is how the right have shifted closer to some of my positions that in past decades used to be viewed as leftist or progressive -- opposition to U.S. foreign wars, opposition to corporate power, and free speech. In the 1990s and 2000s, mainstream Democrats have usually been hawkish - but at least less hawkish than Republicans (60% of Democrats voted against Bush's Iraq war). Neither party used to be supportive of free speech - efforts in the 1990s to censor lyrics were bipartisan, for example, but opposition to this was more from the left. And corporations would naturally cater to whoever was in power, but laws and action to rein them in (like anti-trust) more often came from the left.

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

Boo Hoo! Women aren't being allowed to murder their babies! Cry me a river.

That should be a humanitarian position, science tells us life begins at conception and that it's a human life, but you are happy to strip a baby from his human rights because?
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #475 on: May 01, 2022, 11:35:16 AM »
If you are white straight christian then I can see how you would believe that the right speaks to you and protects you. But wait until the right gets more tight...

Are you the RIGHT kind of christian? It'll be a matter of when not if when they come for you. It won't stop with abortion or same sex marriage. When they finish going through the line.. you'll be next under scrutiny. Are you a proper christian???

....You actually believe the Christian right still has any kind of power in the U.S.?
Jesus you're a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

Based on the new abortion restriction laws being passed, I think the Christian right do still have some influence, but I do think it's much less than it was.

The curious thing to me about changes is how the right have shifted closer to some of my positions that in past decades used to be viewed as leftist or progressive -- opposition to U.S. foreign wars, opposition to corporate power, and free speech. In the 1990s and 2000s, mainstream Democrats have usually been hawkish - but at least less hawkish than Republicans (60% of Democrats voted against Bush's Iraq war). Neither party used to be supportive of free speech - efforts in the 1990s to censor lyrics were bipartisan, for example, but opposition to this was more from the left. And corporations would naturally cater to whoever was in power, but laws and action to rein them in (like anti-trust) more often came from the left.

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

It depends upon what you mean by that.  Family farmers using traditional methods that conserve resources? Or "death to you for driving a gasoline vehicle while I fly to Davos in my private jet?"

"LGBT should be treated no different than anyone else?" Or "LGBT need special rights and if you treat them like everyone else, that's discriminatory?"

There is a vast difference between a reasonable position on any given topic and extremist activism on that topic.

We're seeing many on the left trying to outcompete each other's virtue signalling to include trying to cancel those who aren't as "pure" in their beliefs.  We're don't see that from the right much, if at all ll.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #476 on: May 11, 2022, 06:13:09 PM »

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

On the "hateful" thing. Well, not focusing on you here, but there IS a lot of hate coming from the left. I was a bit shocked by it after coming to the US. Many people come here with the assumption that Hollywood's portrayal of the "hateful right-wing racists" is correct, but those are hard to find in real life. Notice made-up stories about racism for instance, and people asserting that those things happen "all the time". They don't. People seem to live in Hollywoodland. 

Meanwhile, I would be very cautious to walk around with a MAGA hat. It's as if overreacting is what they do to everything on the left these days (and yes more on the left than on the right, although tensions are running high all around). The Covington kids is a good example (nothing actually happened, it shouldn't have made the news) but seriously most of 2020 felt like the left terrorizing the rest of the population.

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« Reply #477 on: May 11, 2022, 06:55:37 PM »

Still, I seem just as hateful as ever to the right - such as from being environmentalist and favoring LGBT rights.

On the "hateful" thing. Well, not focusing on you here, but there IS a lot of hate coming from the left. I was a bit shocked by it after coming to the US. Many people come here with the assumption that Hollywood's portrayal of the "hateful right-wing racists" is correct, but those are hard to find in real life. Notice made-up stories about racism for instance, and people asserting that those things happen "all the time". They don't. People seem to live in Hollywoodland. 

Meanwhile, I would be very cautious to walk around with a MAGA hat. It's as if overreacting is what they do to everything on the left these days (and yes more on the left than on the right, although tensions are running high all around). The Covington kids is a good example (nothing actually happened, it shouldn't have made the news) but seriously most of 2020 felt like the left terrorizing the rest of the population.

Greetings!

I agree Trond. Very true.

It's too bad you don't live in my town. Lots of people openly wear MAGA hats. People everywhere in my neighborhood have pro-Trump banners and flags everywhere. Trump flags, the American flag, military flags. This street, that street, anywhere and everywhere.

Everywhere I go, people tell me when they see I'm a Marine Veteran, "Thank you for your service, Sir!" Businesses also customarily provide discounts for military veterans. People here are very patriotic, pro-America, Conservative, and Christian.

You would be entirely safe here, Trond. Understandably, people here take a dim view of Liberals, BLM and ANTIFA, and Marxists. People here--men and women alike--also firmly believe in GUNS and gun ownership. At the local gun shop, an employee there--he is also an active-duty police officer--encourage people to be armed, be trained, and to be equipped. Proudly so, almost like it is a duty that everyone has.

It is a very refreshing change of environment from California. Like I tell some of my friends that are still trapped in California, moving here, in so many ways, you start to see clearly how everyone in California is enslaved and oppressed. In so many different areas of life, attitude, behavior, and law, you experience *Freedom* here, instead of Liberal Marxist tyranny.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #478 on: May 11, 2022, 08:51:20 PM »
On the "hateful" thing. Well, not focusing on you here, but there IS a lot of hate coming from the left. I was a bit shocked by it after coming to the US.

I agree that there is hate from the left, but I think there is an increase of partisan hate in general. I would offer a few quotes from discussion here in this forum:

That's ok though. The more lying, the more dancing, the more wormy bullshit from the fucking Marxists--the people will all know who to string the fuck up when the time comes. All of these wormy Marxist bastards won't be able to escape the rope. Our society needs to be cleansed from Marxist scum.

I'm not interested in listening to cock-sucking Liberal Marxists. I used to debate their terrible and evil "world views" over 20 years ago. Nothing about their "world view" has changed. If anything, it has gotten worse. Like rotten and spoiled food, they need to be thrown the fuck out and fed to the pigs.

Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.

Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #479 on: May 11, 2022, 09:35:19 PM »
On the "hateful" thing. Well, not focusing on you here, but there IS a lot of hate coming from the left. I was a bit shocked by it after coming to the US.

I agree that there is hate from the left, but I think there is an increase of partisan hate in general. I would offer a few quotes from discussion here in this forum:

That's ok though. The more lying, the more dancing, the more wormy bullshit from the fucking Marxists--the people will all know who to string the fuck up when the time comes. All of these wormy Marxist bastards won't be able to escape the rope. Our society needs to be cleansed from Marxist scum.

I'm not interested in listening to cock-sucking Liberal Marxists. I used to debate their terrible and evil "world views" over 20 years ago. Nothing about their "world view" has changed. If anything, it has gotten worse. Like rotten and spoiled food, they need to be thrown the fuck out and fed to the pigs.

Yeah, whiny bitch cock-sucking traitor. KILL THEM ALL. Every fucking Communist hunted down and killed like the fucking evil rats that they are. Communists are not just like preferring a different flavour of ice cream than you or I might prefer--no, they are evil fucking tyrants that want to kill you and enslave you to their godless and terrible fucking ideology.

Fuck the Communists. You damn right they need to be killed. Every fucking one of them needs to bathe in Napalm, baby! ALL OF THEM!

Greetings!

Yes, Jhkim. That's right. Marxists are the fucking enemy.

Oh noes! We can't have Conservatives get fed up with Liberal Marxist intimidation, threats, violence, and hatred!

You may have forgotten about BLM and ANTIFA--both of which are proud, admitted Marxists.

Well, I haven't forgotten.

Threats to the culture and nation--such as Marxists--need to be taken seriously, and ruthlessly dealt with.

You don't like that? Good. Get on your fucking knees and serve the Marxist masters, while they groom our kids to be brainwashed sex slaves, wallowing in depravity.

That isn't a fate that I want for America, so I believe that Marxists and fucking Marxism should be resisted, and crushed.

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