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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #360 on: April 10, 2022, 08:36:11 PM »

Also... Using expressions like "anti-trump" and "big goverment" is just such a great way to make me disregard anything you say, because every opinion you have comes from the mouth of your right-wing media overlords.
There are right-wing media overlords? I thought the right had whatshisface over at Fox, and... echo echo? A bunch of podcasts? Maybe a few radio stations? A few youtube channels?

I bet the idiot thinks Biden is right wing too.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #361 on: April 10, 2022, 09:39:44 PM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

First off, I am talking about a SHIFT in recent years. Secondly, if you noticed, yes I am aware, and very suspicious of any study that has a political bent by now, since I know enough researchers to know that they just can't leave their own biases out in those cases. See some studies "demonstrating" that false accusations of rape are rare for instance (the data use would never have passed review in any other topic). And secondly, I think I know what I mean; what do you think is safer; a MAGA hat in a Biden rally or a Biden/Harris hat in a Trump rally? Also, do you know any Biden or Hillary supporters who were murdered for their political stance?

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #362 on: April 10, 2022, 10:09:07 PM »
At this point I wonder if violence is the only language these people understand. Of course left wing terrorism is going to be under represented given that they don’t classify these attacks as left wing, and usually try to pin it on the right anyway. 17? What was that like day 2 of chaz?

To reference a philosopher the left loves to quote out of context when convenient, maybe it is time for the fist and the pistol. Look at what they are doing? And continuing to do. This is an active attack on a whole country and all these fucking “muh 2A” dudes who are more comfortable behind their keyboard than behind a trigger. When they do show up they allow themselves to be murdered by random lefty asshole.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #363 on: April 10, 2022, 10:41:03 PM »
  Lots of studies like that are "centrist" ....but why would they separate ethno nationalists from white supremacists?  It seems they had to link incels to "right wing" as well (whereas I always thought right wing ideology involved getting a wife and settling down...not trying to bang women and get laid all the time).   In any event, it does not show me who is more violent, it shows me who has better aim.  I think that is important to remember.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #364 on: April 10, 2022, 10:43:57 PM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

  You mean the same way Obama called the muslim shooter on the military base "workplace violence"?  Or how the pulse nightclub shooter was a "frustrated closeted gay guy" despite shouting Allah Akbar and dedicating his shooting to ISIS?  Or the BLM shooter in Dallas who killed those cops was not in fact supporting BLM, but a "lone person with issues"?  You mean that sort of framing?   How did they qualify 9/11 in that study?   For some reason they seem to have not bothered to put that one on their charts.... Centrist my ass.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2022, 10:46:22 PM by oggsmash »

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #365 on: April 10, 2022, 10:47:34 PM »
At this point I wonder if violence is the only language these people understand. Of course left wing terrorism is going to be under represented given that they don’t classify these attacks as left wing, and usually try to pin it on the right anyway. 17? What was that like day 2 of chaz?

To reference a philosopher the left loves to quote out of context when convenient, maybe it is time for the fist and the pistol. Look at what they are doing? And continuing to do. This is an active attack on a whole country and all these fucking “muh 2A” dudes who are more comfortable behind their keyboard than behind a trigger. When they do show up they allow themselves to be murdered by random lefty asshole.

“ Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.”

   At some point, should right leaning normies realize that, all hell will break loose.   Let's hope they just keep slaving away for that pension/retirement and keep voting for change.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #366 on: April 11, 2022, 02:57:45 AM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

Please cite those attacks, both the "left wing" and the "right wing" ones. Because I have noticed that black separatists, black ethno-nationalists tend to be counted as "right-wing never mind their political ideas are socialism/communism.

Also, do we count how many people have died or do we count how many attacks were commited?

Because by YOUR standard all the people attacked by the antifart and burn loot murder that didn't die means those don't count.

Just during the latest "summer of love" during the "fiery but mostly peaceful 30+ people were killed by those two leftwing groups. BILLIONS in damages, how many wounded?

But you go ahead and keep on drinking the koolaid.

Why?

It's not like it would matter to you if I directly linked to the CSIS database because you've already made up your mind.

And I'm the one who is drinking kool-aid?

Unlike YOU, I do change my mind when evidence is provided.

World wide, terrorism is mainly Islamist, followed by left wing in a distant second place, then right wing.

You provide the number of deaths and not the number of attacks to obscure the fact that YOUR side IS the more violent one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970%E2%80%93present

Check it year by year if you wish.

Which side is more violent?

10 antifa throwing rocks or bangers at a demonstration at armored police or 1 right winger armed with a AR going into a black church or a mosque killing several people? Or blowing up a abortion clinic?

I know which side is definitely more lethal.

I did not obscure the number of attacks, as this image was in the pdf i shared that you obviously didnt look at (or understood)

This picture below shows the share between different type of attacks from different factions.
Light blue is rightwing, green is leftwing.

Last time leftwing stood for the majority of violence was in 2005 unless you want to nitpick about 2013 where the left were about even with the right.



Trond asked why it appeared to him that the leftwing had become more violent in the last 10 years in the US.

Looking at the blue line on this picture makes me wonder what made him believe that.



Also. HAHAHA wikipedia!

you're killing me!
« Last Edit: April 11, 2022, 03:25:16 AM by Wntrlnd »

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #367 on: April 11, 2022, 05:20:12 AM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

Please cite those attacks, both the "left wing" and the "right wing" ones. Because I have noticed that black separatists, black ethno-nationalists tend to be counted as "right-wing never mind their political ideas are socialism/communism.

Also, do we count how many people have died or do we count how many attacks were commited?

Because by YOUR standard all the people attacked by the antifart and burn loot murder that didn't die means those don't count.

Just during the latest "summer of love" during the "fiery but mostly peaceful 30+ people were killed by those two leftwing groups. BILLIONS in damages, how many wounded?

But you go ahead and keep on drinking the koolaid.

Why?

It's not like it would matter to you if I directly linked to the CSIS database because you've already made up your mind.

And I'm the one who is drinking kool-aid?

Unlike YOU, I do change my mind when evidence is provided.

World wide, terrorism is mainly Islamist, followed by left wing in a distant second place, then right wing.

You provide the number of deaths and not the number of attacks to obscure the fact that YOUR side IS the more violent one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970%E2%80%93present

Check it year by year if you wish.

Which side is more violent?

10 antifa throwing rocks or bangers at a demonstration at armored police or 1 right winger armed with a AR going into a black church or a mosque killing several people? Or blowing up a abortion clinic?

I know which side is definitely more lethal.

I did not obscure the number of attacks, as this image was in the pdf i shared that you obviously didnt look at (or understood)

This picture below shows the share between different type of attacks from different factions.
Light blue is rightwing, green is leftwing.

Last time leftwing stood for the majority of violence was in 2005 unless you want to nitpick about 2013 where the left were about even with the right.



Trond asked why it appeared to him that the leftwing had become more violent in the last 10 years in the US.

Looking at the blue line on this picture makes me wonder what made him believe that.



Also. HAHAHA wikipedia!

you're killing me!

Wntrlnd, with all due respect, do you seriously believe that 2020 the summer of love was just some kind of right wing organised event?

Or is it that riots dont fall under the "terrorist" label?
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #368 on: April 11, 2022, 07:56:00 AM »
When someone with a known Leftist background does it, they were mentally ill. When a right-wing person does it, it was an organized political terror campaign.

Based on the above criteria it’s obvious that Leftism is a mental illness.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #369 on: April 11, 2022, 08:46:26 AM »
….,

Last time leftwing stood for the majority of violence was in 2005 unless you want to nitpick about 2013 where the left were about even with the right.



Trond asked why it appeared to him that the leftwing had become more violent in the last 10 years in the US.

Looking at the blue line on this picture makes me wonder what made him believe that.



Also. HAHAHA wikipedia!

you're killing me!

Counting 2020? Oh yeah, that is a f***ing joke. People on the left, politicians and public figures even, were literally cheering on people going nuts in the streets and setting buildings, including police stations, on fire. It screams “unreliable data” to the high heavens.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #370 on: April 11, 2022, 09:14:25 AM »

Also... Using expressions like "anti-trump" and "big goverment" is just such a great way to make me disregard anything you say, because every opinion you have comes from the mouth of your right-wing media overlords.
There are right-wing media overlords? I thought the right had whatshisface over at Fox, and... echo echo? A bunch of podcasts? Maybe a few radio stations? A few youtube channels?

I bet the idiot thinks Biden is right wing too.

  Well, I think its impossible to call Biden any wing.  That dude has no idea if he has shit his pants, what time of day it is, or where he is.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #371 on: April 11, 2022, 09:41:58 AM »

Also... Using expressions like "anti-trump" and "big goverment" is just such a great way to make me disregard anything you say, because every opinion you have comes from the mouth of your right-wing media overlords.
There are right-wing media overlords? I thought the right had whatshisface over at Fox, and... echo echo? A bunch of podcasts? Maybe a few radio stations? A few youtube channels?

I bet the idiot thinks Biden is right wing too.

  Well, I think its impossible to call Biden any wing.  That dude has no idea if he has shit his pants, what time of day it is, or where he is.

Usually when I refer to Biden unless I’m mocking his intelligence I’m usually referring to the puppet masters
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #372 on: April 11, 2022, 09:59:44 AM »
Comparing statistics arguing one side is more violent than another is a pointless exercise in seeing what you want to see. Even if there were no bias in reporting and data aggregation (which is hilariously unreasonable) the very concepts of left and right in politics are not tight enough for the statistics to be meaningful.

What I will remind you is that in the United States, anyway, Republican or leaning Republican voters have a gun ownership rate which is over double the Democrat or leaning Democrat rate. By and large, groups like Antifa can bully Democrats and Independents because they have a relatively low gun ownership rate, but when they go to attack Republicans, they hit a group where about 2/3rds of households have a gun in the household and a disproportionate amount of the gun-handling experience in the nation. Attacking that requires paramilitary terrorists with training. The best B-list street enforcers like BLM and Antifa can manage is a Pyrrhic victory, which a disorganized group doesn't have the discipline to withstand, anyway. For this reason, Antifa and BLM deflected most of their violence at softer targets they knew they could hit; independents and property.

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« Reply #373 on: April 11, 2022, 10:39:59 AM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

Please cite those attacks, both the "left wing" and the "right wing" ones. Because I have noticed that black separatists, black ethno-nationalists tend to be counted as "right-wing never mind their political ideas are socialism/communism.

Also, do we count how many people have died or do we count how many attacks were commited?

Because by YOUR standard all the people attacked by the antifart and burn loot murder that didn't die means those don't count.

Just during the latest "summer of love" during the "fiery but mostly peaceful 30+ people were killed by those two leftwing groups. BILLIONS in damages, how many wounded?

But you go ahead and keep on drinking the koolaid.

Why?

It's not like it would matter to you if I directly linked to the CSIS database because you've already made up your mind.

And I'm the one who is drinking kool-aid?

Unlike YOU, I do change my mind when evidence is provided.

World wide, terrorism is mainly Islamist, followed by left wing in a distant second place, then right wing.

You provide the number of deaths and not the number of attacks to obscure the fact that YOUR side IS the more violent one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970%E2%80%93present

Check it year by year if you wish.

Which side is more violent?

10 antifa throwing rocks or bangers at a demonstration at armored police or 1 right winger armed with a AR going into a black church or a mosque killing several people? Or blowing up a abortion clinic?

I know which side is definitely more lethal.

I did not obscure the number of attacks, as this image was in the pdf i shared that you obviously didnt look at (or understood)

This picture below shows the share between different type of attacks from different factions.
Light blue is rightwing, green is leftwing.

Last time leftwing stood for the majority of violence was in 2005 unless you want to nitpick about 2013 where the left were about even with the right.



Trond asked why it appeared to him that the leftwing had become more violent in the last 10 years in the US.

Looking at the blue line on this picture makes me wonder what made him believe that.



Also. HAHAHA wikipedia!

you're killing me!

The question is who commits more terrorist acts?  Your commie scum friends by a country mile.

Also Genetic Fallacy, you want to challenge ANY of the data in the article linked? For instance that all the left wing terrorism is really right wing or something? Can you back that up? Because I bet you can't contradict a single point in that article. I know because other commie scum have tried.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #374 on: April 11, 2022, 10:43:37 AM »
Perhaps violence is a sign of desperation? I arrived in the USA about ten years ago, and it’s hard not to notice the political left has turned more and more violent. Despite what some “studies” say about the right I’m no longer in doubt that the left has completely overtaken the right in the use of violence. Andy Ngo alone has suffered several injuries (and some leftists again called for violence against him recently, turns out they harassed the wrong Asian though). I also know of Trump supporters who were killed for their politics but not a single case the other way round (correct me if I’m wrong).

You are wrong.

CSIS (Center for Strategic and International Studies) a centrist and bipartisan thinktank has taken a look at almost 900 politically motivated attacks and plots since 1994 (up to 2020)

What they found was 21 victims killed in leftwing attacks and 117 victims killed in rightwing attacks (between 2010 and 2020) in the US.

Could it be that left wing attacks are overrepresented in the last 10 years are non-lethal attacks that doesnt end up in fatalities while rightwingers are more prone to shoot to kill? Possible.

Could also be that the news sources you watch doesn't frame the right wing attacks as politically motivated but "just one  mentally ill person"

Please cite those attacks, both the "left wing" and the "right wing" ones. Because I have noticed that black separatists, black ethno-nationalists tend to be counted as "right-wing never mind their political ideas are socialism/communism.

Also, do we count how many people have died or do we count how many attacks were commited?

Because by YOUR standard all the people attacked by the antifart and burn loot murder that didn't die means those don't count.

Just during the latest "summer of love" during the "fiery but mostly peaceful 30+ people were killed by those two leftwing groups. BILLIONS in damages, how many wounded?

But you go ahead and keep on drinking the koolaid.

Why?

It's not like it would matter to you if I directly linked to the CSIS database because you've already made up your mind.

And I'm the one who is drinking kool-aid?

Unlike YOU, I do change my mind when evidence is provided.

World wide, terrorism is mainly Islamist, followed by left wing in a distant second place, then right wing.

You provide the number of deaths and not the number of attacks to obscure the fact that YOUR side IS the more violent one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents#1970%E2%80%93present

Check it year by year if you wish.

Which side is more violent?

10 antifa throwing rocks or bangers at a demonstration at armored police or 1 right winger armed with a AR going into a black church or a mosque killing several people? Or blowing up a abortion clinic?

I know which side is definitely more lethal.

I did not obscure the number of attacks, as this image was in the pdf i shared that you obviously didnt look at (or understood)

This picture below shows the share between different type of attacks from different factions.
Light blue is rightwing, green is leftwing.

Last time leftwing stood for the majority of violence was in 2005 unless you want to nitpick about 2013 where the left were about even with the right.



Trond asked why it appeared to him that the leftwing had become more violent in the last 10 years in the US.

Looking at the blue line on this picture makes me wonder what made him believe that.



Also. HAHAHA wikipedia!

you're killing me!

Wntrlnd, with all due respect, do you seriously believe that 2020 the summer of love was just some kind of right wing organised event?

Or is it that riots dont fall under the "terrorist" label?

"FBI definition of terrorism: The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

It's that his "Neutral" source is biased to the left HARD. And since he's commie scum he laps it up without thinking...

Of course if he could think he wouldn't be commie scum.
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