Turning the corner on "woke"?

[oggsmash]

  Also IMO shady as fuck they would change that definition after Whoopi made her asinine comments, since technically she could have used their own definition to make an argument for her statement.

[DocJones]

  Sort of made me LOL to see Whoopi Goldberg make the point for me on this whole thing with the holocaust and how the ADL would view the perspective she presented (after their change of the definition of racism).

I must admit that I never had Whoopi running defense for Nazis on my 2022 bingo card.

It gets worse:
NEW YORK, NY—Whoopi Goldberg is in hot water once again after claiming that Emperor Palpatine's controversial "Order 66", which instructed his Clone troopers to murder all the Jedi in the galaxy, "wasn't about the Jedi."

[Redwanderer]

  I do not watch any TV, so I will take your word for it.  I still do not quite get where the ban minefield is.  I guess I am just missing the hidden message.

He thinks this site is like TBP or any other leftist run site. He's wrong.

His concern is duly noted. After all, he created a new account here just to express his concern.

What the hell are you on about?

[Redwanderer]

  Well, I am not criticizing any group here, only a specific organization.  And much like SPLC, BLM, the ADL these days seems to be pretty much hijacked by people with an extreme left agenda on many positions.  This is critical from my perspective, as I think extreme left positions are generally harmful, but I also do not think any of those organizations really represent any group anywhere any more.  I think they are there to generate revenue for the people working in them.

I'll try to keep this as simple as possible for anyone who still doesn't get it yet. What the hell is WRONG with the 92%!?
One way leftism works is by connecting "extremists" with the whole group. It always works because the whole group they are supposed to be for never objects and this works both ways- BLM and ADL are proof because nobody in those whole groups is saying anything against them and when someone bashes whites saying all whites are guilty of whatever whites are too scared to say anything about it even if it happened long ago and just a few did it.
You say anything bad about man-hating feminist banshees they say you hate all women and want them just barefoot and pregnant. It's all 200 proof blarney but it works.
So if you say anything bad about groups like the ADL or SPLC which people here have done they'll say you're anti semites and that's what you'll be period, and just in case you haven't noticed those groups- as in the ADL and SPLC in case anyone doesn't know what I mean- are VERY powerful with loads of money and have a habit of going after anyone dumb enough to say anything bad about them- and it's getting worse. It's happened before at the very least they'll surely put this place on a enemies list.
So saying "butbutbut but we're just talking about those extremists not the whole group" WON'T MATTER HERE. All someone has to do is tell them what was said here and this site might soon be hit by a nuclear powered shillelagh. Seeing how scared the 92% is all the time you've been warned you're stepping over the safe tough talk line the 8% draws for you.

[Redwanderer]

So The Anti Defamation League is now defining racism as being only by white people against people of color. But doesn't that exclude a lot of what happened during the holocaust?

https://www.adl.org/racism

  Well, I think the ADL feels its a bit early to simply say their true position, that they hate white people.  It also seems the ADL does not feel jews, regardless of skin color, are white.  So no, it does not exclude a thing I am sure.

If I were you people I'd abandon this line FAST. It's ban bait as surely as it rains in Ireland.

Few things will get you banned here:

Posting politics unrelated to gamming anywhere else but this part of the forum.

Spouting ACTUAL white supremacist spiels

Spouting ACTUAL anti-semitism

From what I've seen criticizing anything/anyone is valid and won't even earn you a warning.

This place is owned by an actual libertarian/conservative

The mods either share his political views or at least his love for free speech.

Saying that those ONGs/groups hate white people doesn't even register in the richter scale.

And you'll find a few non-white people here that do agree that seems to be the case. I for example.

And here 92% is why you keep losing to the 8% and why we're going to woke hell that'll make the hills of damnation look like Hawaii.

This line is about what? certain black and jewish groups bashing whites and calling for MASS MURDER of whites.

So what does this geekybugle guy go on about? No white supremist or anti jewish stuff.

Not "no supremist yammer of any kind", just white supremist and anti-jewish stuff in a line about jewish and black groups bashing whites!

"Saying that those ONGs/groups hate white people doesn't even register in the richter scale."

Only as long as it's safe tough talk.

I swear, the 92% will cringe and say it's sorry when theyre being led to the gulag. Here's a question- if anyone joined here and said he was a member of those groups would he be banned for being part of hate groups? Yea, and I'll find a pot of gold left on my doorstep by friendly leprechauns after riding a rainbow to Ireland.

[oggsmash]

  I would like to respond to something, but I guess I am missing the forest for the trees.  How about break down this point of view/idea to one simple point. 

[RPGPundit]

The ADL actually really hates Jews.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-adls-new-jewish-outreach-director-hates-jews/

[oggsmash]

The ADL actually really hates Jews.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-adls-new-jewish-outreach-director-hates-jews/

  I do not think the ADL hates Jews.  I do think they may have screwed the pooch letting some of the nutty leftists in the door forgetting they only exist to tear down and reform institutions in their own image.  And the ADL is very left on policies in the USA, like immigration. But suddenly extremely right wing from the leftist lens regarding immigration for Israel. That can not be tolerated by the woke.   So I think it is early to say the ADL hates Jews...but if they keep recruiting people like that lady, they will make the full turn in no time.

[DocJones]

I'll try to keep this as simple as possible for anyone who still doesn't get it yet. What the hell is WRONG with the 92%!?

You are way off on your figures.  It's actually 87.35%.  And 57.48% of the 87.35% will not put up with the bullshit of the 12.65%. 
That makes 50.20% who are mad as hell and are not going to take it any more. 
Which way way higher than the 3% some far right groups claim it took to win the American Revolutionary war.

[Trond]

The ADL actually really hates Jews.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-adls-new-jewish-outreach-director-hates-jews/

  I do not think the ADL hates Jews.  I do think they may have screwed the pooch letting some of the nutty leftists in the door forgetting they only exist to tear down and reform institutions in their own image.  And the ADL is very left on policies in the USA, like immigration. But suddenly extremely right wing from the leftist lens regarding immigration for Israel. That can not be tolerated by the woke.   So I think it is early to say the ADL hates Jews...but if they keep recruiting people like that lady, they will make the full turn in no time.

I agree that hate is a strong word, but why would a Jewish organization use the definition of racism as they did recently? (i.e. racism is only by white people agains POC. The Whoopi Goldberg controversy apparently made them change it)

[oggsmash]

The ADL actually really hates Jews.

https://www.jns.org/opinion/the-adls-new-jewish-outreach-director-hates-jews/

  I do not think the ADL hates Jews.  I do think they may have screwed the pooch letting some of the nutty leftists in the door forgetting they only exist to tear down and reform institutions in their own image.  And the ADL is very left on policies in the USA, like immigration. But suddenly extremely right wing from the leftist lens regarding immigration for Israel. That can not be tolerated by the woke.   So I think it is early to say the ADL hates Jews...but if they keep recruiting people like that lady, they will make the full turn in no time.

I agree that hate is a strong word, but why would a Jewish organization use the definition of racism as they did recently? (i.e. racism is only by white people agains POC. The Whoopi Goldberg controversy apparently made them change it)

  Because traditionally Jews do not classify themselves as white, and assumed the masses at large would know that.  Whoopi made it crystal clear that large swaths of people do not understand that immigration to Israel involves a genetic test, not a theological quiz.    I think in 2020 it was also getting them woke traction (which they need, since they also have to battle the woke over Israel immigration policy and the woke view of some policies in Israel) as BLM was peacefully protesting and the assumption was made that Jews were not white.  Honestly I think it was the old case of "you know what happens when you assume, you make and ass of u and me".   He probably would not have changed it either, but he got swamped by some right leaning people over the definition on the website, and that likely shined more attention on that horrible definition than he wanted. 

   It could also have been something a person did more or less independently and he had no idea what the definition (Greenblatt) on the organization's website was.  Those sorts of things are going to happen when you want to draw from the far left end of recruits to work with the organization.  Sort of like Frankenstein's monster coming back so we can reap what we sow.  I really do not know.  I think this answer actually makes the people in charge of the ADL look worse (because they have no intention of having Jews considered part of a white majority) if they did not know that definition was changed.   I think they made some assumptions about people's perceptions, and maybe some really big assumptions regarding how different ethnicities define "white". 

[oggsmash]

  But in a world where Black men knocking the shit out of or stabbing small asian women is white supremacy, who the hell knows?

[jeff37923]

Larry Correia on Approaching Peak Woke

https://monsterhunternation.com/2022/02/16/approaching-peak-woke/

APPROACHING PEAK WOKE


I truly believe we are at or nearing Peak Woke.

The San Fransisco school board was just overwhelmingly voted to be recalled. Pundits are already blaming it on "secret conservatives". In San Fransisco. The bluest big city in America.

Across the nation regular normal people are done with Woke shit. They are done with Covid control freaks. They are done with incompetent petty tyranny. They are done with self proclaimed experts being constantly wrong but still handing down arbitrary commands.

That combo is going to make the upcoming mid terms the biggest blood bath election of the last hundred years.

Purple is gonna flip red. Blue is turning purple. 30 congressional dems have retired because they see more accurate polling than we do. Seats that are normally D+13 aren't safe.

The polls about how people identify have flipped in a manner that the establishment can't even sorta understand yet. Some do. Those are the proverbial rats fleeing the sinking ship.

Polls always oversample democrats, but even the ones that show D+7 have them being trounced. It won't be D+7. It's going to be R+ however many people said enough.

The progressive left has driven off many of the people who they always assumed would make up their "permanent demographic majority".

Democrats have infuriated independents.

Nobody expected New Jersey to be in play.

Nobody expected Virginia to flip and as the polls swung the left could do nothing but panic and do dumber and dumber stunts. I expect to see lots of tiki torches and fake hate crimes in the coming months.

Their figure head, Joe Biden, is despised by his enemies and pitied by his allies. He inspires no one. They have no wins. Nothing to run on. Nothing to point to.

If they were smart they would do an emergency course correction and abandon the control freaks, but they can't. The liberals abdicated. The moderates fled. The woke progs are steering the ship, and they are addicted to outrage. They only have one play in their playbook, which is scream about how everyone else is some kinda hatemonger.

Regular people just want their money to be worth something and their stores to not be empty and their schools to not be indoctrination centers.
While the woke running the left can only offer them increasingly batshit insane identity politics instead.
A reckoning is coming. The left is about to reap the whirlwind of their hubris.

Of course the GOP will flop and squish and squander this, unless these same angry voters won't allow them to.

The invertebrates like Mitt Romney will see the democrats take this generational loss and will want to "reach across the aisle" to help them back to their feet. They'll be "bipartisan". No. They lost because they deserved to lose because their ideas are evil and the middle has realized the left is actively destroying America. Crush them. Drive them from any position of leadership.

This loss needs to hurt. It needs to be a wake up call to the democrats who aren't insane leftists, however many of those may remain. The Woke must be cast down. Their philosophy is a cancer in the bones of our country.

The monied "educated" elite of the left have loved the Woke because they have been a useful club to beat their ideological enemies with. But once the Woke become a liability, they will be dismissed and forgotten. Just like the hippies were a great big deal until suddenly, they weren't. And they became a fringe joke.

That's a big if though, because I'm not sure how much the Venn diagrams of Woke and Elite overlap. So if democrats can't jettison Wokeness, then regular people will make sure they lose so damned bad they don't have a choice.

That's what's coming.

Pundits will blame it on Covid fatigue or racism or sexism or Russians or something else. But it's not. It's all tied together. It's a backlash against one giant overwhelming philosophy combining the federal leviathan, woke megacorps, and a mob of useful idiots into a bizarre pseudo religion. It is completely disconnected from reality, and rules with a very stupid fist. And regular people aren't ever allowed to question it or stand in its way.

All the stuff that's infuriating regular Americans is a result of that unholy abomination. Their jobs aren't safe. Their kids aren't safe. Nothing makes any sense anymore. They look around and discover they are living in clown world. When they express concern they are told to shut up, bigot, put your three masks back on and get back to serving me. How dare you question your moral and intellectual betters?

The political reckoning is coming soon. The cultural reckoning will take longer, but it's already happening. The left has owned every major cultural institution for a long time, the media, Hollywood, academia, publishing, and look how great all of those are doing. It is like minded, insufferable finger shaking scolds, all the way down.

But once a preference cascade begins, it won't stop. Voting is just the big obvious one, but as soon as enough shade holders in those various institutions decide they are tired of going broke to support a failing philosophy they'll dump it. And if they don't, competitors will crush them.

Because people are sick of this shit.

I'm actually really optimistic. I've been talking about this nefarious culture war for a long time, and I'm seeing an ever increasing number of regular folks catching on and realizing they've been getting scammed. I'm seeing more people who thought they were liberal realizing they got conned. I'm seeing more moderates realizing that moral equivalence is bullshit, because both sides suck, but at least one isn't actively trying to destroy our civilization.

On that last note, if anybody can screw this opportunity up, it's the republicans. Many of them are corrupt, lazy, cowards. But I'm even seeing a shift there, where more of them are saying enough of this fake civility, where the left can do whatever malicious thing it wants and we have to smile and take it. About damned time.

Expect the left to become increasingly desperate as their total control of every institution is threatened. Just look toward our neighbors to the north to see how petulant they can get when their power is endangered. They burn cities. Awesome. You get uppity, martial law.

Sure. They'll lie. They'll "fact checkers". The media companies that carry their water are getting crushed by Indy media, even with the big tech companies actively trying to silence them. CNN is getting its ass beat by Joe Rogan. Elon Musk accomplishes more with one cryptic tweet then a thousand New York Times OpEds. The strangle hold on media is over because the left shot their wad. They lied too much and now nobody believes them. Polls show more Americans trust gas station sushi than the media.

They will lie, cheat, and steal. That's just human nature. But don't go all doomer black pill that the left will automatically win. They want you to think that's inevitable. And if you are worried about cheating, Virginia showed us the way. Watchers everywhere and 500 lawyers waiting at a hotline perched like fucking falcons to swoop down the instant anything is weird. Get your shit together, GOP, and this won't be an issue.

In the meantime just keep talking. Keep telling the truth. Keep standing for what you believe in. And if you aren't doing that, start. You aren't alone. There are millions who are just as annoyed by this crap as you are.

[oggsmash]

  I get the feeling Larry has about alls he can stands, and cant stands no more. 

   I think he might be right.  On all counts.  I think the lefties took that step too far (and to be honest I am a little shocked boys in the girls locker room was not it) with the CRT and mass obfuscation at trying to back track. Antiracism, is what I see it called openly (and I know that it is not CRT, but it is CRT being put to use on the school level) is anything but, and it seems at least you can still work parents up by promoting what amounts to open disdain for their kids based on race.

[oggsmash]

  Seems the extremely woke, Trump Hating community outreach head over at Facebook got caught on video meeting up with a 13 year old boy at a hotel room for sex.  That is going to be uncomfortable to explain.