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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 107174 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #270 on: January 31, 2022, 11:10:20 PM »
Economics trumps ideology every time.

Ultimately, yes; the Gods of the Copybook Headings always return, as Kipling notes.

The problem is forestalling the "terror and slaughter" with which they do so if ignored too long.
Better to keep silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #271 on: January 31, 2022, 11:14:24 PM »
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

On the other hand, "woke" is and has always been stupid when taken out of the context of Black culture. It's a phrase coined by black folks in the South to talk about other folks (usually white but occasionally black or other race) and how well they understand what black folks go through on a daily basis. If anyone who passes the paper bag test is talking about wokeness in any form, I feel completely free to ignore them as uninformed, whether they are on the left or the right side of the spectrum.

American racism is vastly exaggerated. My wife is obviously “of color”we have traveled together throughout much of the country and we can’t tell the difference. I’d say that even the past troubles are being exaggerated even though some truly horrifying things did happen. It’s turned into a never-ending repetition of the same old stories (but always tweaked just a little, to make it seem even worse and even more one-sided than it actually was, like Tulsa), and there’s no end in sight. Such bad historical events should of course be remembered, but not turned into some sort of religious victimhood ritual. You should check out some of John McWhorter’s interviews and writings.

McWhorter isn't wrong. I think the key takeaway is that the underlying basis for accusations of racism is the anti-intellectualism he refers to.  It doesn't have to be academia-based. There is a disdain amongst a large portion of the black community for any type of education (whether it means going to college on anything other than an athletic scholarship or learning a blue-collar trade) - and when that lack of education leads to lack of opportunity, it's claimed to be because racism instead of the acknowledgement that it has been self-imposed.  Even barring a decent formal education, a willingness to learn and to work hard is also held in disdain.  So - someone lacks the skills and lack the work ethic.  Given all of the activism of the race hustlers, one would think that this issue would have been resolved, save for the fact that achieving their claimed goals would result in their putting themselves out of a job. Translate that to the gay/trans/progressive/climate change/other cause of the week activists - grifting pays...

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #272 on: February 01, 2022, 08:24:31 AM »
So The Anti Defamation League is now defining racism as being only by white people against people of color. But doesn’t that exclude a lot of what happened during the holocaust?

https://www.adl.org/racism

  Well, I think the ADL feels its a bit early to simply say their true position, that they hate white people.  It also seems the ADL does not feel jews, regardless of skin color, are white.  So no, it does not exclude a thing I am sure.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #273 on: February 01, 2022, 03:24:05 PM »
So The Anti Defamation League is now defining racism as being only by white people against people of color. But doesn’t that exclude a lot of what happened during the holocaust?

https://www.adl.org/racism

  Well, I think the ADL feels its a bit early to simply say their true position, that they hate white people.  It also seems the ADL does not feel jews, regardless of skin color, are white.  So no, it does not exclude a thing I am sure.

If I were you people I'd abandon this line FAST. It's ban bait as surely as it rains in Ireland.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #274 on: February 01, 2022, 04:11:22 PM »
So The Anti Defamation League is now defining racism as being only by white people against people of color. But doesn’t that exclude a lot of what happened during the holocaust?

https://www.adl.org/racism

  Well, I think the ADL feels its a bit early to simply say their true position, that they hate white people.  It also seems the ADL does not feel jews, regardless of skin color, are white.  So no, it does not exclude a thing I am sure.

If I were you people I'd abandon this line FAST. It's ban bait as surely as it rains in Ireland.

  What line is that?  That the ADL has taken positions on many subjects that look like the SJWs writing critical race theory are now writing many of their positions on topics?  That change of definition to racism pretty much points out that is the direction the organization is headed towards.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #275 on: February 01, 2022, 04:14:20 PM »
Because I've seen over and over again how even mild criticism of certain groups gets one banned faster than than a non-woke from rpg.net, that's why. By that one's OWN PEOPLE! Gaaah, maybe I'll tell you about my waking up moment during a hangover one of these days.

Oh, and by the way oh 92%- I've heard about that "only whites can be racist" garbage since the mid-1990s!!!
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #276 on: February 01, 2022, 04:19:11 PM »
  Well, I am not criticizing any group here, only a specific organization.  And much like SPLC, BLM, the ADL these days seems to be pretty much hijacked by people with an extreme left agenda on many positions.  This is critical from my perspective, as I think extreme left positions are generally harmful, but I also do not think any of those organizations really represent any group anywhere any more.  I think they are there to generate revenue for the people working in them.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #277 on: February 01, 2022, 04:19:37 PM »
Because I've seen over and over again how even mild criticism of certain groups gets one banned faster than than a non-woke from rpg.net, that's why. By that one's OWN PEOPLE! Gaaah, maybe I'll tell you about my waking up moment during a hangover one of these days.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #278 on: February 01, 2022, 04:21:05 PM »
And what's TBP?

Look, don't say I didn't warn you.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #279 on: February 01, 2022, 04:22:35 PM »
  Well, I am not criticizing any group here, only a specific organization.  And much like SPLC, BLM, the ADL these days seems to be pretty much hijacked by people with an extreme left agenda on many positions.  This is critical from my perspective, as I think extreme left positions are generally harmful, but I also do not think any of those organizations really represent any group anywhere any more.  I think they are there to generate revenue for the people working in them.


All right, do you hear those groups speaking out against the extremists?

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #280 on: February 01, 2022, 04:26:04 PM »
  Well, I am not criticizing any group here, only a specific organization.  And much like SPLC, BLM, the ADL these days seems to be pretty much hijacked by people with an extreme left agenda on many positions.  This is critical from my perspective, as I think extreme left positions are generally harmful, but I also do not think any of those organizations really represent any group anywhere any more.  I think they are there to generate revenue for the people working in them.


All right, do you hear those groups speaking out against the extremists?
   
   The SPLC, BLM or the ADL?  What extremists are you asking me about?  They seem pretty frothy about the literal legions of skin heads, nazis, and white supremacists that are hiding in every other household in the USA, but they sure are quiet about any nutjobs from the left. 

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #281 on: February 01, 2022, 04:41:34 PM »
Any of them. Look, just flipping through the cursed channels on free tv all I see are ads and programs about evil whites and racism.

So why don't the people those groups- ALL OF THEM- are supposed to speak for ever speak up loud and clear about them being extremists?

I'll warn you again, youre all stomping through a ban minefield here.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #282 on: February 01, 2022, 04:55:53 PM »
I'll warn you again, youre all stomping through a ban minefield here.

Is it Tuesday again?

That seemed to come around quickly.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #283 on: February 01, 2022, 05:00:13 PM »
  I do not watch any TV, so I will take your word for it.  I still do not quite get where the ban minefield is.  I guess I am just missing the hidden message.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #284 on: February 01, 2022, 08:23:13 PM »
So The Anti Defamation League is now defining racism as being only by white people against people of color. But doesn’t that exclude a lot of what happened during the holocaust?

https://www.adl.org/racism

  Well, I think the ADL feels its a bit early to simply say their true position, that they hate white people.  It also seems the ADL does not feel jews, regardless of skin color, are white.  So no, it does not exclude a thing I am sure.

If I were you people I'd abandon this line FAST. It's ban bait as surely as it rains in Ireland.

The ADL has went the way of the ACLU some time ago. 
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