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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 107226 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #240 on: December 22, 2021, 01:21:41 PM »
Unfortunately I doubt it.
Millenial/zoomer generation of popculture nerds, are very often big consoomers. There's enough left-leaning young adults in big cities of West for woke companies to run well for a long long time.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #241 on: December 22, 2021, 03:12:35 PM »
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Yes, you’ll definitely find leftists who are strongly opposed to any child molestation etc. Also check out several videos by Shoe0nhead (a Bernie supporter) for instance.

I'd say majority of leftists. Even more I see more and more condemnations for instance when 30 y.o. guy dates 20 y.o girl. Because "power imbalance".
And with paedophilia or ephebophilia... well there is no way to avoid very very significant power imbalance.

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But it wasn't that that were out for him for being a pedo

Well yes, yes they were. There were whole scandal in Poland when young left stopped Polanski for having presentation in our most prestige film academy.

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I think it is nice we can still seem to all agree "Pedos bad", but I have a feeling all the shifting will eventually lead to a more direct course to make society more accepting of pedos.

Not in this generation. Boomer and X-leftists sure they were exploring and throwing away bounds of decency and reason.
Modern leftists are safety seeking neurotics. They hate power imbalance, also in private relationship, they are more and more often condemning adult relationships is there is difference of age. Or wealth. Just like TERFs, and tankies, fans of man-boy love were pushed into niche hated by mainstream left.

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I remember people clapping for him in absentia during the Oscars, even when his abuse case was well known. Later I assume he was considered toxic again. Rightly so because that thing was creepy as hell.

Academia is older generation. Old artists in Poland were defending Polanski. It was young SJWs that went for his blood.

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Child marriage is still legal in much of the US TODAY. Only six states have a total ban on all underage marriages (New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and New York). This is not a rare thing, thousands of perfectly legal marriages of children to adults happen every year in the US.

6 twelve year-olds were legally married between 2000 and 2015.

I'd not call 16 to 20 marriage as child marriage (but then I'm all for destroying teenager and replacing them with young adults) but holy shit 12 year olds? In freaking USA? That's insane.
In a country where 19 y.o. hooking up with 17 y.o. can be convicted as statutory rapist?

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Where then is or was the rage against Spacey? He "came out" as gay and the news shifted to how brave he was.

Not even close. Like all LGBTQ groups condemned him and cancel his ass for using "coming out" as jail-free card and making gay look bad.

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After raping minors? Where are the calls to put him in prison? Because I sure as fuck saw lots of that for the metoo movement.

Because AFAIK there was no legal accusation of rape. Only of molestation of minor, that well thankfully ended nowhere (though of course this is still harm).
And then there were various civil processes and here we have really funny part - several witnesses and accusers died... Conspiracy Theories are big about it. Probably justly so.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #242 on: December 25, 2021, 12:37:00 AM »
Roman Polanski's work in cinema will be remembered, studied and revered for generations. The woke mobs will be mocked and forgotten, and hopefully beaten with crowbars.

And Roman will always have two footnotes - the Manson murders of his wife pregnant Sharon Tate and his teen diddling escapade.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #243 on: December 28, 2021, 08:46:06 PM »
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Roman Polanski's work in cinema will be remembered, studied and revered for generations. The woke mobs will be mocked and forgotten, and hopefully beaten with crowbars.

I have no problem with his work being remembered, but when crowbars are concerned, retribution for raping kid is still owned. (And no - having to avoid USA territory is not good enough). So I'll give woke crowd 10 minutes here.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #244 on: January 02, 2022, 11:11:58 PM »
Larry Fink (CEO of BlackRock) has been funding the Woke messaging coming out of corporations for years now. A fascinating reveal by Felix Rex:

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #245 on: January 04, 2022, 11:22:54 AM »
Larry Fink (CEO of BlackRock) has been funding the Woke messaging coming out of corporations for years now. A fascinating reveal by Felix Rex:



Pretty interesting, but you also have to look at a guy like Larry Fink and wonder; how did someone like this get woke in the first place? He didn’t become a billionaire by being an idealist all the way.  I think people like this basically read the room; they see what’s going on and take on the political leanings of the day (Tolstoy described this very well as someone takes on whatever opinions are in vogue just like they would change their fashion style the same way).

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #246 on: January 04, 2022, 12:40:15 PM »
Larry Fink (CEO of BlackRock) has been funding the Woke messaging coming out of corporations for years now. A fascinating reveal by Felix Rex:



Pretty interesting, but you also have to look at a guy like Larry Fink and wonder; how did someone like this get woke in the first place? He didn’t become a billionaire by being an idealist all the way.  I think people like this basically read the room; they see what’s going on and take on the political leanings of the day (Tolstoy described this very well as someone takes on whatever opinions are in vogue just like they would change their fashion style the same way).
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #247 on: January 05, 2022, 03:45:52 PM »
I really hate to say this, but how can people say any corner is being turned? I heard this back in 2014 and 2016 and now it's worse.

Hopefully this won't get me into too much trouble here, I know I'm kinda new here but I have been here before I just didn't sign up but why not, but it isn't going to happen. The corner isn't being turned because the Titanic has already hit the iceberg.

I listened to a few of Pundit's videos, and one thing he keeps saying is that the woke make up maybe 8% of the population and the other 92% hate them. Let's say he is actually right- but he'll wish he wasn't, and here's why:


When he says "8%" I assume he means SJWs. Those losers who have blue hair, smell bad, have useless expensive college degrees, can't build or create anything but must infect and ruin it all, are fat and ugly with weird tattoos and piercings and okay you get the idea- losers.

I am not one of them, but Pundit DO NOT ever include me in your 92% because that is an insult.

How is it an insult? Here's how, let's do some math- 92 vs. 8 means 92 outnumbers 8 11 1/2 to 1. So there are 11 1/2 times as many not-woke as woke. Follow? Maybe some of you can see where this is heading.

We already know that the 8% are total losers. But they own DnD, the other DnD-type games, colleges, grade schools- guess what, CRT is now in the lessons- news, programs, movies, comics, they own the White House, they may have stolen the 2020 election, they get people in big trouble or even fired and jailed, push their politics and stop anyone else- I don't have all day so let's cut this short and say the obvious- they keep winning.

Meaning the 92% keep losing. No arguing that.

Now do you get why I don't want to be in that 92%? Just what kind of total losers does the 92% have to be to keep losing to the 8% losers? Absolute losers can't describe it. That 92% has to be beyond absolute losers.


The only way out of THAT obvious problem is if the 8% is supported by someone who aren't losers. But nobody here says anything about this so- absolute losers its got to be. Can anyone tell me how it can't be?

Look at where we are now. How much worse will it be ten years from now? No no corner is being turned, as bad as it is now by 2030 2021, with banned Dr. Suess books and orcs being racist, will be the good old days. I wish I had been born forty years sooner. :'(

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #248 on: January 06, 2022, 08:58:17 AM »
It’s not 8% vs 92%. It’s very roughly 8% supported by 42% useful idiots* who think that the 8% “mean well” even when they sound crazy, vs 50%.

*also some clever opportunists
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #249 on: January 06, 2022, 04:11:14 PM »
Just what kind of total losers does the 92% have to be to keep losing to the 8% losers?

When one side of a conflict is far more invested in the subject matter than the other, weight of numbers becomes far less relevant than one might expect. Nassim Nicholas Taleb's article "The Most Intolerant Wins" is an excellent examination of how this process works.

For myself I have always taken a bleak sort of comfort in a popular saying of Glenn "InstaPundit" Reynolds: "That which can't go on forever, won't."  Wokism has always depended on a fresh supply of stoked outrage, and I see definite signs of burnout in the public appetite for that sentiment.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #250 on: January 07, 2022, 12:15:47 AM »
Just what kind of total losers does the 92% have to be to keep losing to the 8% losers?

When one side of a conflict is far more invested in the subject matter than the other, weight of numbers becomes far less relevant than one might expect. Nassim Nicholas Taleb's article "The Most Intolerant Wins" is an excellent examination of how this process works.

For myself I have always taken a bleak sort of comfort in a popular saying of Glenn "InstaPundit" Reynolds: "That which can't go on forever, won't."  Wokism has always depended on a fresh supply of stoked outrage, and I see definite signs of burnout in the public appetite for that sentiment.

So we may have to rely on the Muslims to save us from the Woke.

But then we will need the CCP to save us from the Muslims.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #251 on: January 07, 2022, 12:41:19 AM »
Just what kind of total losers does the 92% have to be to keep losing to the 8% losers?

When one side of a conflict is far more invested in the subject matter than the other, weight of numbers becomes far less relevant than one might expect. Nassim Nicholas Taleb's article "The Most Intolerant Wins" is an excellent examination of how this process works.

For myself I have always taken a bleak sort of comfort in a popular saying of Glenn "InstaPundit" Reynolds: "That which can't go on forever, won't."  Wokism has always depended on a fresh supply of stoked outrage, and I see definite signs of burnout in the public appetite for that sentiment.

So we may have to rely on the Muslims to save us from the Woke.

But then we will need the CCP to save us from the Muslims.

Things could get messy before the end.

Come to think of it, that article also explains why DnD is the default RPG - there is always that one person that does not want to play the exotic new RPG so the whole group defaults to the standard.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #252 on: January 07, 2022, 11:21:35 AM »
I really hate to say this, but how can people say any corner is being turned? I heard this back in 2014 and 2016 and now it's worse.

I remember when "woke" wasn't even a topic. Now there's people speaking up about CRT in classrooms. And CRT proponents hastily coming up with all kinds of contradictory arguments about how it's not really a thing, except it is a thing, except it's not being taught in public schools, except it is being taught in public schools, and that's a good thing. For one example. The issues are being identified and defined. That's an important first step.

Remember the "long march through the institutions" took sixtyish years to get us to this point. It is going to get worse before it gets better. If it gets better. And there's going to be setbacks and losses along the way.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #253 on: January 07, 2022, 12:47:51 PM »
Just what kind of total losers does the 92% have to be to keep losing to the 8% losers?

When one side of a conflict is far more invested in the subject matter than the other, weight of numbers becomes far less relevant than one might expect. Nassim Nicholas Taleb's article "The Most Intolerant Wins" is an excellent examination of how this process works.

For myself I have always taken a bleak sort of comfort in a popular saying of Glenn "InstaPundit" Reynolds: "That which can't go on forever, won't."  Wokism has always depended on a fresh supply of stoked outrage, and I see definite signs of burnout in the public appetite for that sentiment.

So we may have to rely on the Muslims to save us from the Woke.

But then we will need the CCP to save us from the Muslims.

Things could get messy before the end.

Come to think of it, that article also explains why DnD is the default RPG - there is always that one person that does not want to play the exotic new RPG so the whole group defaults to the standard.

That's my experience.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #254 on: January 08, 2022, 03:15:50 PM »
It’s not 8% vs 92%. It’s very roughly 8% supported by 42% useful idiots* who think that the 8% “mean well” even when they sound crazy, vs 50%.

*also some clever opportunists

I would even go so far as to say that the woke and non-woke activism is only a thing in large urban areas and on college campuses and is only amplified because of social media.  Most people only care once it affects them directly - a Democrat who is a shrimper in Louisiana and a Republican who is a plumber in Nebraska just want to be left alone.