Turning the corner on "woke"?

[Trond]

If you ask me the gay quire boys are trolling, the way Proud Boys are trolling by constantly showing the ludicrous "white supremacy" hand signals. Both groups know that they're going to get a reaction and a good laugh at the others' expense.

[Ratman_tf]

If you ask me the gay quire boys are trolling, the way Proud Boys are trolling by constantly showing the ludicrous "white supremacy" hand signals. Both groups know that they're going to get a reaction and a good laugh at the others' expense.

Seems their latest tactic is to put the video back up and then squeal about how they've gotten death threats.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Soloists-of-S-F-Gay-Men-s-Chorus-receive-death-16305155.php

[Trond]

If you ask me the gay quire boys are trolling, the way Proud Boys are trolling by constantly showing the ludicrous "white supremacy" hand signals. Both groups know that they're going to get a reaction and a good laugh at the others' expense.

Seems their latest tactic is to put the video back up and then squeal about how they've gotten death threats.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Soloists-of-S-F-Gay-Men-s-Chorus-receive-death-16305155.php

I guess that's a major difference; the Proud Boys mainly complain when they're put in jail.

[Zelen]

Seems their latest tactic is to put the video back up and then squeal about how they've gotten death threats.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/Soloists-of-S-F-Gay-Men-s-Chorus-receive-death-16305155.php

This is actually a worthwhile test to demonstrate the SF Gay Men's Chorus' motives.

It is, I hope, a non-controversial opinion that grooming/coercing/* children is a bad thing. So was it a troll job, did they apologize for making a joke in very poor-taste purely for the titillation factor?

Reading the article, I'm not seeing any sign of remorse or apology. Instead the reaction seems to be to try and play the victim.

For the record, I fully support death threats against people who promote sexual violence against children.

[jhkim]

Nevertheless they went ahead with it all. They show a lot of enthusiasm for the message, so I'm going to take them at their word.

For the record, I fully support death threats against people who promote sexual violence against children.

If you are taking them at their word, then what they intend to do is convert children into being "tolerant and fair", and "teach them not to hate". That's what the lyrics of the song actually say. It sounds like you're *not* taking them at their word, and instead reading something other than the literal meaning into the song.

It is absolutely a reference and parody of conservative allegations that gay people are all child molesters, but the intent of the song is to deny those allegations and push a different message instead. One can say it is in bad taste, but the literal meaning of the words spoken is clear.

[Zelen]

If you are taking them at their word, then what they intend to do is convert children into being "tolerant and fair", and "teach them not to hate"...

One can say it is in bad taste, but...

If taking them at their word means making kids "tolerant and fair" and "teaching them not to hate" then how is it also simultaneously in bad taste?

Seems like you are being disingenuous here.

[Ghostmaker]

If you are taking them at their word, then what they intend to do is convert children into being "tolerant and fair", and "teach them not to hate"...

One can say it is in bad taste, but...

If taking them at their word means making kids "tolerant and fair" and "teaching them not to hate" then how is it also simultaneously in bad taste?

Seems like you are being disingenuous here.

Using the phrases 'we're coming for your kids' and 'conversion' strikes me as an amazingly bad way to say 'we want to teach them tolerance' at best.

So yeah. They're backpedaling because they know people get excited about grooming. There are plenty of legal precedents and laws regarding that, and then you get to 'angry parent lynch mob'.

[oggsmash]

 I have to LOL at death threats over the internet though.  That is what most people call Monday.  Now someone shows up to where you are, or even calls you on a personal line, I might start to have concerns.   Those fellas in their future satire moments, where they already know they are going to royally piss people off might want to be careful about their language if online threats bother them.  You can sandwich tolerant and non-bigoted into lyrics calling gen Z gayer than Grinder and talking about coming for children if you like, but my advice is it is better to back away from the Rubicon.

[Ghostmaker]

I have to LOL at death threats over the internet though.  That is what most people call Monday.  Now someone shows up to where you are, or even calls you on a personal line, I might start to have concerns.   Those fellas in their future satire moments, where they already know they are going to royally piss people off might want to be careful about their language if online threats bother them.  You can sandwich tolerant and non-bigoted into lyrics calling gen Z gayer than Grinder and talking about coming for children if you like, but my advice is it is better to back away from the Rubicon.

Well, it's been demonstrated that if you even talk about someone it's TOTALLY the same as murdering them eleventy billion times. No, really.

[Ratman_tf]

Nevertheless they went ahead with it all. They show a lot of enthusiasm for the message, so I'm going to take them at their word.

For the record, I fully support death threats against people who promote sexual violence against children.

If you are taking them at their word, then what they intend to do is convert children into being "tolerant and fair", and "teach them not to hate". That's what the lyrics of the song actually say. It sounds like you're *not* taking them at their word, and instead reading something other than the literal meaning into the song.

It is absolutely a reference and parody of conservative allegations that gay people are all child molesters, but the intent of the song is to deny those allegations and push a different message instead. One can say it is in bad taste, but the literal meaning of the words spoken is clear.

I like and agree with Matt Walsh's take on it.

At best, and most generous interpretation, the Gay Choir was being a bunch of condescending assholes, and they knew it.

[DocJones]

If taking them at their word means making kids "tolerant and fair" and "teaching them not to hate" then how is it also simultaneously in bad taste?

Seems like you are being disingenuous here.

Clearly there's a huge overlap in the SF gay choir membership and NAMBLA.

[Mordred Pendragon]

Fuck the SF Chorus.

Most of those "SF" queers are either NAMBLA rejects or wannabe trannies who do not have the balls to go all the way with transitioning (no pun intended)

Seriously though, fuck those guys for undoing decades of hard-fought work. Now the traditionalist redneck whores are going to have a field day with this little stunt.

On behalf of the GLB community, let me say that the San Francisco Gay Chorus can go fuck itself and we are NOT coming after your children. No matter how much both far-right puritan rednecks and far-left pedophiles wish it were the case.

[Ghostmaker]

Fuck the SF Chorus.

Most of those "SF" queers are either NAMBLA rejects or wannabe trannies who do not have the balls to go all the way with transitioning (no pun intended)

Seriously though, fuck those guys for undoing decades of hard-fought work. Now the traditionalist redneck whores are going to have a field day with this little stunt.

On behalf of the GLB community, let me say that the San Francisco Gay Chorus can go fuck itself and we are NOT coming after your children. No matter how much both far-right puritan rednecks and far-left pedophiles wish it were the case.

Thank you, Doc. I appreciate that.

[Jaeger]

...
Clearly there's a huge overlap in the SF gay choir membership and NAMBLA.

Fuck the SF Chorus.

Most of those "SF" queers are either NAMBLA rejects ...

I think I'm gonna side with Doc Sammy on this one...

[Trond]

As I have been saying for a long time: "Wokeness" is so often just an excuse to bully and belittle people:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1433949909846085638