Turning the corner on "woke"?

[Ghostmaker]

I still can't get over the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus doing a song about how 'we're coming for your children'.

And then trying to shake it all off as 'it's just satire, bro!' when people go ballistic.

Ye gods. Set aside any opinions on alternate sexual practices and attractions. How dense do you have to be to make a song like that and not realize people might react badly?

(The icing on the cake is how more than a couple of those ... persons are registered sex offenders. Oops.)

[Trond]

(The icing on the cake is how more than a couple of those ... persons are registered sex offenders. Oops.)

Where did you get that from?

[Pat]

(The icing on the cake is how more than a couple of those ... persons are registered sex offenders. Oops.)

Where did you get that from?

I heard in some podcast that 4chan was tracking them down. Don't think it's been confirmed, so it should be considered highly suspect at the moment.

[moonsweeper]

(The icing on the cake is how more than a couple of those ... persons are registered sex offenders. Oops.)

Where did you get that from?

I heard in some podcast that 4chan was tracking them down. Don't think it's been confirmed, so it should be considered highly suspect at the moment.

They came up with 4 or 5 matches almost right away if I remember correctly, then I think they have found some more since.  I think the initial ones specifically had charges related to the 'under the age of 14' category.

I haven't seen an independent confirmation yet, but they did a good job of outing that one shooter in Portland in less than 12 hours.  Then the police had to admit they were right a few days later...so I guess we will see.

[Ratman_tf]

The sex offender angle is shaky, and should be kept at arm's length until they have some solid information.

But a bunch of gay guys singing about how they're coming for your children is stupendously tone deaf, regardless of their intentions.

[Ghostmaker]

The sex offender angle is shaky, and should be kept at arm's length until they have some solid information.

But a bunch of gay guys singing about how they're coming for your children is stupendously tone deaf, regardless of their intentions.

'Tone deaf' is probably the most generous way to put it.

I mean, how goddamn rock fucking stupid do you have to be to sing a song about how 'we're going to convert your kids'? Watching them scramble to say 'It's just a joke, bro!' reminds me of jackasses in high school who'd push someone to their limit then try to retreat behind 'it's just a joke!'.

[Ratman_tf]

The sex offender angle is shaky, and should be kept at arm's length until they have some solid information.

But a bunch of gay guys singing about how they're coming for your children is stupendously tone deaf, regardless of their intentions.

'Tone deaf' is probably the most generous way to put it.

I mean, how goddamn rock fucking stupid do you have to be to sing a song about how 'we're going to convert your kids'? Watching them scramble to say 'It's just a joke, bro!' reminds me of jackasses in high school who'd push someone to their limit then try to retreat behind 'it's just a joke!'.

I think that parallel is pretty appropriate. Like most activism, once they get any kind of social or political power, they become the things they hated.

[KingCheops]

The sex offender angle is shaky, and should be kept at arm's length until they have some solid information.

But a bunch of gay guys singing about how they're coming for your children is stupendously tone deaf, regardless of their intentions.

'Tone deaf' is probably the most generous way to put it.

I mean, how goddamn rock fucking stupid do you have to be to sing a song about how 'we're going to convert your kids'? Watching them scramble to say 'It's just a joke, bro!' reminds me of jackasses in high school who'd push someone to their limit then try to retreat behind 'it's just a joke!'.

Boys will be boys dude!  (until we make them all gay drag queens)

[Wntrlnd]

First off: Having listened to and read the actual lyrics of the song, "converting your children" is supposedly meant to mean that they'll make them "more tolerant, non-bigoted and into allies" and not actually into gay people. (And after them, you're next)

So, not gay, just people who wount persecute them for being gay.

That said...

Secondly: Seriously, "coming for your children" makes me think they should have watched this sketch first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgiEQXGetI because that is seriously lacking in forethought

Thirdly: I work with kids/teenagers. They are natural rebels, and now you're giving them wokeness to rebel against.

[oggsmash]

First off: Having listened to and read the actual lyrics of the song, "converting your children" is supposedly meant to mean that they'll make them "more tolerant, non-bigoted and into allies" and not actually into gay people. (And after them, you're next)

So, not gay, just people who wount persecute them for being gay.

That said...

Secondly: Seriously, "coming for your children" makes me think they should have watched this sketch first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqgiEQXGetI because that is seriously lacking in forethought

Thirdly: I work with kids/teenagers. They are natural rebels, and now you're giving them wokeness to rebel against.

   Well, the thing is their definition of tolerant and non bigoted is not really that.  Their definition of tolerance is full acceptance and celebration.   I wonder how funny they would have thought it was if some right wing people did a country song about locking up/killing all the gays (since that is a trope these people feel is true, just as there are many conservative types who believe many homosexuals are also child predators) as satire?

[Zelen]

Secondly: Seriously, "coming for your children" makes me think they should have watched this sketch first

The song didn't just appear from the ether. The men in question are well aware of the double meaning; it's not like it's some obscure or fringe slang. They wrote the song purposefully with the innuendo in mind. And there's a lot of men in this group, who all heard the song and approved of the messages that it's communicating.

This wasn't done on a lark. They wrote the song, practiced it, got a recording studio, video equipment, performed it, did audio & video production, and publicized their work. They demonstrated a lot of effort into the whole endeavor, to communicate a message, and they knew this message would be offensive and subversive.

Nevertheless they went ahead with it all. They show a lot of enthusiasm for the message, so I'm going to take them at their word.

[Wntrlnd]

   Well, the thing is their definition of tolerant and non bigoted is not really that.  Their definition of tolerance is full acceptance and celebration.   I wonder how funny they would have thought it was if some right wing people did a country song about locking up/killing all the gays (since that is a trope these people feel is true, just as there are many conservative types who believe many homosexuals are also child predators) as satire?

I see. So what would the real (i.e your) definition of tolerance and non-bigoted be?

The song didn't just appear from the ether. The men in question are well aware of the double meaning; it's not like it's some obscure or fringe slang. They wrote the song purposefully with the innuendo in mind. And there's a lot of men in this group, who all heard the song and approved of the messages that it's communicating.

This wasn't done on a lark. They wrote the song, practiced it, got a recording studio, video equipment, performed it, did audio & video production, and publicized their work. They demonstrated a lot of effort into the whole endeavor, to communicate a message, and they knew this message would be offensive and subversive.

Nevertheless they went ahead with it all. They show a lot of enthusiasm for the message, so I'm going to take them at their word.

Sounds like you're saying they were counting on easily triggered right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro and youtubers getting their 15 minutes of content
(with some witty title like "homosexual libtards own by facts and immediately regrets it") before they move on to the next thing to be outraged by so they can get their daily clicks.

Now why would they (the SFGC) do such a thing?

[Zelen]

Sounds like you're saying they were counting on easily triggered right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro and youtubers getting their 15 minutes of content
(with some witty title like "homosexual libtards own by facts and immediately regrets it") before they move on to the next thing to be outraged by so they can get their daily clicks.

Now why would they (the SFGC) do such a thing?

I don't see a need to invent weird theories about how this was a super-secret ploy. These guys get excited about the prospect of coming for your children, and they don't think there will be any consequences for admitting it.

[oggsmash]

   Well, the thing is their definition of tolerant and non bigoted is not really that.  Their definition of tolerance is full acceptance and celebration.   I wonder how funny they would have thought it was if some right wing people did a country song about locking up/killing all the gays (since that is a trope these people feel is true, just as there are many conservative types who believe many homosexuals are also child predators) as satire?

I see. So what would the real (i.e your) definition of tolerance and non-bigoted be?

The song didn't just appear from the ether. The men in question are well aware of the double meaning; it's not like it's some obscure or fringe slang. They wrote the song purposefully with the innuendo in mind. And there's a lot of men in this group, who all heard the song and approved of the messages that it's communicating.

This wasn't done on a lark. They wrote the song, practiced it, got a recording studio, video equipment, performed it, did audio & video production, and publicized their work. They demonstrated a lot of effort into the whole endeavor, to communicate a message, and they knew this message would be offensive and subversive.

Nevertheless they went ahead with it all. They show a lot of enthusiasm for the message, so I'm going to take them at their word.

Sounds like you're saying they were counting on easily triggered right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro and youtubers getting their 15 minutes of content
(with some witty title like "homosexual libtards own by facts and immediately regrets it") before they move on to the next thing to be outraged by so they can get their daily clicks.

Now why would they (the SFGC) do such a thing?

  Acceptance and celebration are NOT tolerance.  Is this confusing for you?  Tolerance means the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.     

[oggsmash]

Sounds like you're saying they were counting on easily triggered right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro and youtubers getting their 15 minutes of content
(with some witty title like "homosexual libtards own by facts and immediately regrets it") before they move on to the next thing to be outraged by so they can get their daily clicks.

Now why would they (the SFGC) do such a thing?

I don't see a need to invent weird theories about how this was a super-secret ploy. These guys get excited about the prospect of coming for your children, and they don't think there will be any consequences for admitting it.

   If you can not reproduce, you must recruit.