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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2024, 03:39:17 PM »
What do I think about AI?

Honestly? I think it’s another fad sold by tech grifters to the elites who want a digital god or utopia (see the prior fad of VR).

The reality will never live up to the hype because we’re nearly to the wall on miniaturization and energy efficiency on computer processing (barring some complete quantum leap that removes electrons from the computing process) and what we’ve already got (which is mostly good only for supplying edge-case content* and already takes up a measurable percentage of our energy grid and production capacity for processors just to get that much.

There’s been tons of investment, but not a lot of anything that would actually be commercially viable has yet emerged from it. The experts say it’s going to take an increase in processing power of two orders of magnitude to actually get beyond the LLMs we’re playing with now into something that could actually be useful.

You know why they say “two orders of magnitude”? Because most people (like everyone I anecdotally asked about what they thought “two orders of magnitude” meant) including the elites they’re trying to scam funding from (because AGI is key to reaching the digital immortality so many of them are obsessed with) think that means maybe two doublings of the current numbers and not the 100+ times quantity of power consumption and rare earth resources it will ACTUALLY take.

Barring some quantum leap in computing (the sort of thing we’ve been waiting on for energy storage for decades now with only small efficiency improvements to show for it) anything more than the curiosity we have today is a pipe dream… and as soon as the investors realize they’re not going to be getting anything remotely profitable out of it (no self-driving cars or robot doctors, etc.) it’ll get dumped for whatever the next great fad offering the elites nirvana/immortality someone convinces them is viable to poor stupid amounts of money and resources into.

AI will be the same sort of niche curiosity that VR is. Someone will find some specific applied uses for it, but it won’t end up replacing professional writers or artists, much less filmmakers. It might help augment many of the existing digital art tools and further improve the efficiency of those jobs, but it’ll still need someone to guide it.

If anything, I’m expecting us to hit a plateau on technology within my lifetime and probably a slight regression given the growing distrust of “science.” I’m expecting more systems optimized for doing one thing as efficiently as possible instead of our current push for “do everything” devices (its a phone, clock, calander, camera, video camera, digital recorder, flashlight, music player, movie player, web browser, game platform, navigation device, microcomputer… all in one).

I expect a hundred years from now people will still be doing all the scut work jobs they do now for the same reason the US Military (back when it didn’t suck) decided that a 19 year old grunt could load a tank’s 120mm cannon way faster and with fewer chances for error than any automatic loading system that would cost 100x more than they paid the grunt in his entire career ever could.

* ex. the blogger wants a piece of art for his article. He’d never actually shell out money to a real artist, but an AI can fart out a forgettable piece to slap underneath the blog headline for free… but anyone who can afford it and gives two craps about the end result is still, c. March 2024, going to pay a real artist to lay something out, nor will they rely on AI to write a legal contract or drive a car on the open highway.

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2024, 08:35:51 PM »
What do I think about AI?

Honestly? I think it’s another fad sold by tech grifters to the elites who want a digital god or utopia (see the prior fad of VR).

The reality will never live up to the hype because we’re nearly to the wall on miniaturization and energy efficiency on computer processing (barring some complete quantum leap that removes electrons from the computing process) and what we’ve already got (which is mostly good only for supplying edge-case content* and already takes up a measurable percentage of our energy grid and production capacity for processors just to get that much.

There’s been tons of investment, but not a lot of anything that would actually be commercially viable has yet emerged from it. The experts say it’s going to take an increase in processing power of two orders of magnitude to actually get beyond the LLMs we’re playing with now into something that could actually be useful.

You know why they say “two orders of magnitude”? Because most people (like everyone I anecdotally asked about what they thought “two orders of magnitude” meant) including the elites they’re trying to scam funding from (because AGI is key to reaching the digital immortality so many of them are obsessed with) think that means maybe two doublings of the current numbers and not the 100+ times quantity of power consumption and rare earth resources it will ACTUALLY take.

Barring some quantum leap in computing (the sort of thing we’ve been waiting on for energy storage for decades now with only small efficiency improvements to show for it) anything more than the curiosity we have today is a pipe dream… and as soon as the investors realize they’re not going to be getting anything remotely profitable out of it (no self-driving cars or robot doctors, etc.) it’ll get dumped for whatever the next great fad offering the elites nirvana/immortality someone convinces them is viable to poor stupid amounts of money and resources into.

AI will be the same sort of niche curiosity that VR is. Someone will find some specific applied uses for it, but it won’t end up replacing professional writers or artists, much less filmmakers. It might help augment many of the existing digital art tools and further improve the efficiency of those jobs, but it’ll still need someone to guide it.

If anything, I’m expecting us to hit a plateau on technology within my lifetime and probably a slight regression given the growing distrust of “science.” I’m expecting more systems optimized for doing one thing as efficiently as possible instead of our current push for “do everything” devices (its a phone, clock, calander, camera, video camera, digital recorder, flashlight, music player, movie player, web browser, game platform, navigation device, microcomputer… all in one).

I expect a hundred years from now people will still be doing all the scut work jobs they do now for the same reason the US Military (back when it didn’t suck) decided that a 19 year old grunt could load a tank’s 120mm cannon way faster and with fewer chances for error than any automatic loading system that would cost 100x more than they paid the grunt in his entire career ever could.

* ex. the blogger wants a piece of art for his article. He’d never actually shell out money to a real artist, but an AI can fart out a forgettable piece to slap underneath the blog headline for free… but anyone who can afford it and gives two craps about the end result is still, c. March 2024, going to pay a real artist to lay something out, nor will they rely on AI to write a legal contract or drive a car on the open highway.

Yep, exactly.
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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2024, 01:23:05 AM »
What we call AI isn't real AI, but it's an extremely dangerous technology which will do FAR more damage than good.

Why? Because humans suck.

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2024, 05:12:19 AM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process. However, I think the current AI rage is overblown and reminds me a bit of the dot com craze from some 25 years ago. The Internet simply became mainstream and was incorporated into most aspects of life. I think it will be same with AI, although it will be interesting to see how the EU's new AI Act will affect the development of artificial intelligence here in Europe, where the risk of government censorship is particularly high.

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2024, 01:32:42 PM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process.
Yes, it's a force multiplier. If you're a good programmer, it will make you a better programmer. You can off-load all kinds of tedious tasks to AI.

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2024, 03:11:54 AM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process. However, I think the current AI rage is overblown and reminds me a bit of the dot com craze from some 25 years ago. The Internet simply became mainstream and was incorporated into most aspects of life. I think it will be same with AI, although it will be interesting to see how the EU's new AI Act will affect the development of artificial intelligence here in Europe, where the risk of government censorship is particularly high.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. The wild throwing of money at AI is as silly at Pets.com Super Bowl ads and the insane utopianism is rather inside but just like the internet it's going to be a big part of our lives and be here to stay. Prepare for the internet to get even more overrun by bots and lots and lots of scam calls from AI programs that are cloning the voices of your relatives and other fun stuff like that.

But unlike silly shit like the blockchain which was mostly a solution looking for a problem to solve there are all kinds of things that people really want AI for. A lot of non-native English speaking businessmen are already using it to write their e-mails for example. Just like the internet there's a lot of shit that people want to use it for and once the kinks get worked out I'm use it'll be used in a lot of things.

Just the idea of a general AI seems like a pipe dream. It's not really an "AI," it doesn't think, and the stuff that's coming out isn't moving it any closer to thinking. It's just a tool that's going to be useful for a lot of specific tasks, same as any other machine.

As far as censorship, I don't see why AI would be easier to censor than the internet. Sure a lot of instances of AI will be censored to hell and back but if someone has the computing power available to do their own shit with AI I don't see how that's going to be stamped out. Hard to limit a program when it's already being shared around.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2024, 03:13:32 AM by Daztur »

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2024, 04:03:16 AM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process. However, I think the current AI rage is overblown and reminds me a bit of the dot com craze from some 25 years ago. The Internet simply became mainstream and was incorporated into most aspects of life. I think it will be same with AI, although it will be interesting to see how the EU's new AI Act will affect the development of artificial intelligence here in Europe, where the risk of government censorship is particularly high.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. The wild throwing of money at AI is as silly at Pets.com Super Bowl ads and the insane utopianism is rather inside but just like the internet it's going to be a big part of our lives and be here to stay. Prepare for the internet to get even more overrun by bots and lots and lots of scam calls from AI programs that are cloning the voices of your relatives and other fun stuff like that.

But unlike silly shit like the blockchain which was mostly a solution looking for a problem to solve there are all kinds of things that people really want AI for. A lot of non-native English speaking businessmen are already using it to write their e-mails for example. Just like the internet there's a lot of shit that people want to use it for and once the kinks get worked out I'm use it'll be used in a lot of things.

Just the idea of a general AI seems like a pipe dream. It's not really an "AI," it doesn't think, and the stuff that's coming out isn't moving it any closer to thinking. It's just a tool that's going to be useful for a lot of specific tasks, same as any other machine.

As far as censorship, I don't see why AI would be easier to censor than the internet. Sure a lot of instances of AI will be censored to hell and back but if someone has the computing power available to do their own shit with AI I don't see how that's going to be stamped out. Hard to limit a program when it's already being shared around.

What's the more common reason not to use linux?

The general public will not install their own instance much less tweek it.

So, the "AI" the general public uses WILL BE censored, it will also be used to censor people and to drive the narrative.
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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2024, 04:04:56 AM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process. However, I think the current AI rage is overblown and reminds me a bit of the dot com craze from some 25 years ago. The Internet simply became mainstream and was incorporated into most aspects of life. I think it will be same with AI, although it will be interesting to see how the EU's new AI Act will affect the development of artificial intelligence here in Europe, where the risk of government censorship is particularly high.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. The wild throwing of money at AI is as silly at Pets.com Super Bowl ads and the insane utopianism is rather inside but just like the internet it's going to be a big part of our lives and be here to stay. Prepare for the internet to get even more overrun by bots and lots and lots of scam calls from AI programs that are cloning the voices of your relatives and other fun stuff like that.

But unlike silly shit like the blockchain which was mostly a solution looking for a problem to solve there are all kinds of things that people really want AI for. A lot of non-native English speaking businessmen are already using it to write their e-mails for example. Just like the internet there's a lot of shit that people want to use it for and once the kinks get worked out I'm use it'll be used in a lot of things.

Just the idea of a general AI seems like a pipe dream. It's not really an "AI," it doesn't think, and the stuff that's coming out isn't moving it any closer to thinking. It's just a tool that's going to be useful for a lot of specific tasks, same as any other machine.

As far as censorship, I don't see why AI would be easier to censor than the internet. Sure a lot of instances of AI will be censored to hell and back but if someone has the computing power available to do their own shit with AI I don't see how that's going to be stamped out. Hard to limit a program when it's already being shared around.

What's the more common reason not to use linux?

The general public will not install their own instance much less tweek it.

So, the "AI" the general public uses WILL BE censored, it will also be used to censor people and to drive the narrative.

Of course, it'll end up about as censored as the internet.

Also like the internet, the bigger issue will be vast streams of bullshit and bots to wade through to try to get to anything useful.

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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2024, 03:44:20 PM »
AI is just a tool. It will greatly increase productivity and eliminate jobs in the process. However, I think the current AI rage is overblown and reminds me a bit of the dot com craze from some 25 years ago. The Internet simply became mainstream and was incorporated into most aspects of life. I think it will be same with AI, although it will be interesting to see how the EU's new AI Act will affect the development of artificial intelligence here in Europe, where the risk of government censorship is particularly high.

Yeah, that's a good comparison. The wild throwing of money at AI is as silly at Pets.com Super Bowl ads and the insane utopianism is rather inside but just like the internet it's going to be a big part of our lives and be here to stay. Prepare for the internet to get even more overrun by bots and lots and lots of scam calls from AI programs that are cloning the voices of your relatives and other fun stuff like that.

But unlike silly shit like the blockchain which was mostly a solution looking for a problem to solve there are all kinds of things that people really want AI for. A lot of non-native English speaking businessmen are already using it to write their e-mails for example. Just like the internet there's a lot of shit that people want to use it for and once the kinks get worked out I'm use it'll be used in a lot of things.

Just the idea of a general AI seems like a pipe dream. It's not really an "AI," it doesn't think, and the stuff that's coming out isn't moving it any closer to thinking. It's just a tool that's going to be useful for a lot of specific tasks, same as any other machine.

As far as censorship, I don't see why AI would be easier to censor than the internet. Sure a lot of instances of AI will be censored to hell and back but if someone has the computing power available to do their own shit with AI I don't see how that's going to be stamped out. Hard to limit a program when it's already being shared around.

What's the more common reason not to use linux?

The general public will not install their own instance much less tweek it.

So, the "AI" the general public uses WILL BE censored, it will also be used to censor people and to drive the narrative.

Of course, it'll end up about as censored as the internet.

Also like the internet, the bigger issue will be vast streams of bullshit and bots to wade through to try to get to anything useful.

Worst than the internet currently, as it will be integrated in your browser and will present you with black british kings among other idiocy.

It will be integrated into forums, social media, etc.

And most people won't notice.
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Re: AI Censorship is here to stay
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2024, 10:06:52 AM »
This is why you don’t use Chrome or Firefox browsers or a search engine that pulls from Google (ex. Duck Duck Go makes your searches anonymous, but still pulls its results from Google).

Presently, the Brave browser and BraveSearch are good for avoiding the crap (bonus points for their spam filters completely eliminating ads from YouTube).

ETA: Brave also includes native direct routing to internet addresses, bypassing search engines and other lockouts entirely.
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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2024, 12:32:22 PM »
I second using Brave, it also has built-in Tor if you need the extra privacy.

I pretty much limit my AI use to entertainment only.  It's propensity for lying gives it zero trust in my book.
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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2024, 01:38:08 PM »
I third using brave, only but is they're also working on using "AI" in their search engine...

For some ungodly reason.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2024, 07:59:51 PM »
I third using brave, only but is they're also working on using "AI" in their search engine...

For some ungodly reason.
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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2024, 08:18:01 PM »
Unless you're using TOR in Lynx from an offshore account via VPN routed through 47 different countries, good luck remaining anonymous...

I just use FF with a shitload of plugins that containerize everything to keep FB/Youtube/Google from tracking clicks. Which still doesn't even work because if I say anything whenever a FB tab is open, my mic (even though off and disabled from usage by the browser) picks up stuff for targeted marketing.

Basically, we are all fucked, there's no way around it. Welcome to the surveillance state, boyos.
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