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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 5983 times)

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Turning the corner on "woke"?
« on: June 12, 2021, 02:40:00 PM »
Not a fan of rap, hip hop or whatever the kids are calling it these days.
However I couldn't help noticing that this guy's mocking the woke songs are hitting #1 on iTunes.
Tom MacDonald’s “Snowflakes” Reaches #1 On All-Genre US iTunes Sales Chart


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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2021, 01:36:43 PM »
Not a fan of rap, hip hop or whatever the kids are calling it these days.
However I couldn't help noticing that this guy's mocking the woke songs are hitting #1 on iTunes.
Tom MacDonald’s “Snowflakes” Reaches #1 On All-Genre US iTunes Sales Chart

That's something to take note of for sure. Is it turning a corner? Not sure, we'll see what happens next.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2021, 04:04:29 PM »
  If you have kids in public school, I can assure you woke is definitely NOT turning a corner.   There is some outrage shown on TV with parents ranting at board meetings, but I can tell you from where I am how that goes.  The uproar starts, some "conservative" runs their mouth about how we should not have CRT, MLK had a dream, yadda yadda yadda.  No one with a smidge of authority has the stones to call the shit what it is, anti white programming.  Add in the people who are for what they thing it is, are easily coerced into thinking it is something it is not and are led by Shitbirds who feel "Define CRT so we can address the concern" when it is nebulous as hell, authored by commies, and any critique of it is used to subtly (or in many places not so subtly) start tossing the R word for opposing it. 

    A corner might get turned, but I can honestly say the internet weirdos radicals have suddenly started to influence policy in local schools all over the country.  So time will tell.

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2021, 07:25:42 PM »
  If you have kids in public school, I can assure you woke is definitely NOT turning a corner.   There is some outrage shown on TV with parents ranting at board meetings, but I can tell you from where I am how that goes.  The uproar starts, some "conservative" runs their mouth about how we should not have CRT, MLK had a dream, yadda yadda yadda.  No one with a smidge of authority has the stones to call the shit what it is, anti white programming.  Add in the people who are for what they thing it is, are easily coerced into thinking it is something it is not and are led by Shitbirds who feel "Define CRT so we can address the concern" when it is nebulous as hell, authored by commies, and any critique of it is used to subtly (or in many places not so subtly) start tossing the R word for opposing it. 

    A corner might get turned, but I can honestly say the internet weirdos radicals have suddenly started to influence policy in local schools all over the country.  So time will tell.

I take it as a good sign that parents are getting pissed enough to show up and complain.

I found out about Tom Macdonald a few months ago. Really like his stuff. It's boilerplate anti-woke, but he puts a lot of energy into his songs and videos.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2021, 03:37:58 AM »
  If you have kids in public school, I can assure you woke is definitely NOT turning a corner.   There is some outrage shown on TV with parents ranting at board meetings, but I can tell you from where I am how that goes.  The uproar starts, some "conservative" runs their mouth about how we should not have CRT, MLK had a dream, yadda yadda yadda.  No one with a smidge of authority has the stones to call the shit what it is, anti white programming.  Add in the people who are for what they thing it is, are easily coerced into thinking it is something it is not and are led by Shitbirds who feel "Define CRT so we can address the concern" when it is nebulous as hell, authored by commies, and any critique of it is used to subtly (or in many places not so subtly) start tossing the R word for opposing it. 

    A corner might get turned, but I can honestly say the internet weirdos radicals have suddenly started to influence policy in local schools all over the country.  So time will tell.

I take it as a good sign that parents are getting pissed enough to show up and complain.

I found out about Tom Macdonald a few months ago. Really like his stuff. It's boilerplate anti-woke, but he puts a lot of energy into his songs and videos.

  Well, I have a friend who is a teacher.  He has had two mandatory "training sessions" that were all out CRT.  The people pushing the shit screech you must define it for them and say it is not in the classroom (yet every teacher is being beaten over the head with it).  So parents being pissed still means jack shit IMO.  This is just the school district where I live (which is a pretty red county) so I have no idea if real action is taking place beyond people complaining, and them summarily being labeled racists.  So we will see.

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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2021, 08:18:28 AM »
  If you have kids in public school, I can assure you woke is definitely NOT turning a corner.   There is some outrage shown on TV with parents ranting at board meetings, but I can tell you from where I am how that goes.  The uproar starts, some "conservative" runs their mouth about how we should not have CRT, MLK had a dream, yadda yadda yadda.  No one with a smidge of authority has the stones to call the shit what it is, anti white programming.  Add in the people who are for what they thing it is, are easily coerced into thinking it is something it is not and are led by Shitbirds who feel "Define CRT so we can address the concern" when it is nebulous as hell, authored by commies, and any critique of it is used to subtly (or in many places not so subtly) start tossing the R word for opposing it. 

    A corner might get turned, but I can honestly say the internet weirdos radicals have suddenly started to influence policy in local schools all over the country.  So time will tell.

I take it as a good sign that parents are getting pissed enough to show up and complain.

I found out about Tom Macdonald a few months ago. Really like his stuff. It's boilerplate anti-woke, but he puts a lot of energy into his songs and videos.

  Well, I have a friend who is a teacher.  He has had two mandatory "training sessions" that were all out CRT.  The people pushing the shit screech you must define it for them and say it is not in the classroom (yet every teacher is being beaten over the head with it).  So parents being pissed still means jack shit IMO.  This is just the school district where I live (which is a pretty red county) so I have no idea if real action is taking place beyond people complaining, and them summarily being labeled racists.  So we will see.
Not necessarily. There have been multiple events of parents showing up for school board meetings and ripping into them, to the point of at least one board fleeing the damn meeting.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/progressives_betray_their_panic_over_grass_roots_campaign_to_elect_school_boards_to_stop_crt.html

They are NOT having it all their way. And they only have themselves to blame.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2021, 10:07:55 AM »
  If you have kids in public school, I can assure you woke is definitely NOT turning a corner.   There is some outrage shown on TV with parents ranting at board meetings, but I can tell you from where I am how that goes.  The uproar starts, some "conservative" runs their mouth about how we should not have CRT, MLK had a dream, yadda yadda yadda.  No one with a smidge of authority has the stones to call the shit what it is, anti white programming.  Add in the people who are for what they thing it is, are easily coerced into thinking it is something it is not and are led by Shitbirds who feel "Define CRT so we can address the concern" when it is nebulous as hell, authored by commies, and any critique of it is used to subtly (or in many places not so subtly) start tossing the R word for opposing it. 

    A corner might get turned, but I can honestly say the internet weirdos radicals have suddenly started to influence policy in local schools all over the country.  So time will tell.

I take it as a good sign that parents are getting pissed enough to show up and complain.

I found out about Tom Macdonald a few months ago. Really like his stuff. It's boilerplate anti-woke, but he puts a lot of energy into his songs and videos.

  Well, I have a friend who is a teacher.  He has had two mandatory "training sessions" that were all out CRT.  The people pushing the shit screech you must define it for them and say it is not in the classroom (yet every teacher is being beaten over the head with it).  So parents being pissed still means jack shit IMO.  This is just the school district where I live (which is a pretty red county) so I have no idea if real action is taking place beyond people complaining, and them summarily being labeled racists.  So we will see.
Not necessarily. There have been multiple events of parents showing up for school board meetings and ripping into them, to the point of at least one board fleeing the damn meeting.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/progressives_betray_their_panic_over_grass_roots_campaign_to_elect_school_boards_to_stop_crt.html

They are NOT having it all their way. And they only have themselves to blame.

  That is simply hopium IMO.  People complaining out loud means nothing.  It is like getting a rise out of Rand Paul jumping down fauci's throat for shit anyone with a modicum of sense would have long theorized.  Or disclosure about handling of emails that would have sent a grunt to prison.  No one got punished, and never will.    I will believe it when superintendants get fired and school board members replaced whole sale.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2021, 10:24:30 AM »
Complaining out loud is what it takes if you ask me. People are generally terrified of being “the only one” who thinks something for themselves.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2021, 10:25:47 AM »
Complaining out loud is what it takes if you ask me. People are generally terrified of being “the only one” who thinks something for themselves.

   I agree with that.  But without follow up action, it means nothing beyond noise.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2021, 11:32:55 AM »
Complaining out loud is what it takes if you ask me. People are generally terrified of being “the only one” who thinks something for themselves.

   I agree with that.  But without follow up action, it means nothing beyond noise.
What action would you suggest?

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2021, 12:56:23 PM »
Complaining out loud is what it takes if you ask me. People are generally terrified of being “the only one” who thinks something for themselves.

   I agree with that.  But without follow up action, it means nothing beyond noise.
What action would you suggest?
   The supers for these schools who allow it in need to be fired, immediately.  If they are not, ALL the board members need to be replaced, and then fire the supers. 

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2021, 12:55:06 AM »
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

On the other hand, "woke" is and has always been stupid when taken out of the context of Black culture. It's a phrase coined by black folks in the South to talk about other folks (usually white but occasionally black or other race) and how well they understand what black folks go through on a daily basis. If anyone who passes the paper bag test is talking about wokeness in any form, I feel completely free to ignore them as uninformed, whether they are on the left or the right side of the spectrum.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2021, 01:01:12 AM »
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

Your information is 50 years outdated. Critical Race Theory hasn't spent the past five decades frozen in time.

In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you only have to look into how they re-define terms and their basic assumptions about Theory.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2021, 01:09:10 AM »
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.
Absolute horseshit. People argued and fought against all of that, long before Critical Race Theory raised its racist head. Critical Race Theory wasn't the champion that fought against even of one of those things, all it's doing is appropriating distorted versions of those events, long after the fact, to spread a virulently hateful message.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2021, 01:33:02 AM »
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

Your information is 50 years outdated. Critical Race Theory hasn't spent the past five decades frozen in time.

In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you only have to look into how they re-define terms and their basic assumptions about Theory.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/

Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School are a separate thing from Critical Race Theory, and your conflating them leaves me astonished and bewildered. It's like assuming that neoliberalism and libertarianism are the same thing because they have liber- as a shared root. Believe you me, I've read both recent and seminal works in Critical Race Theory, and your argument fails.