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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 107167 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #840 on: January 16, 2023, 06:04:19 PM »
So apparently the new Velma series is awful. Apparently so awful that the Woke are accusing the creators of running a right-wing psyop to make the Woke look bad.

I was a fan of Kaling's show The Mindy Project for a while (sue me, I like romantic comedy stories), until it permanently lost me with an episode making fun of the Catholic Church that was nothing but the same old jokes retreaded by giving Stephen Colbert a part as an "outrageous" priest. From this I have formulated a hypothesis about Kaling's humour, which is: She's funny whenever she's telling jokes about things that genuinely amuse her, or reflecting on her own experiences. She's completely unfunny whenever she's telling any kind of joke where the point is to make something she doesn't like look bad, especially if she doesn't understand it as much as she thinks she does.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #841 on: April 24, 2023, 02:07:00 PM »
I think we may have reached a new low in insane woke incoherent rambling.......published as an actual article.
Seriously, read the first paragraph. And it does not stop there.

https://archive.ph/ohCYY


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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #842 on: April 24, 2023, 03:46:28 PM »
I think we may have reached a new low in insane woke incoherent rambling.......published as an actual article.
Seriously, read the first paragraph. And it does not stop there.

https://archive.ph/ohCYY
Dude, the Mary Sue? Seriously? That's like shooting fish in a barrel. Way too easy.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #843 on: April 24, 2023, 06:02:53 PM »
I think we may have reached a new low in insane woke incoherent rambling.......published as an actual article.
Seriously, read the first paragraph. And it does not stop there.

https://archive.ph/ohCYY

"Genocide"??  Sure, why not?  Words don't mean anything anymore.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #844 on: April 25, 2023, 01:09:53 AM »
I think we may have reached a new low in insane woke incoherent rambling.......published as an actual article.
Seriously, read the first paragraph. And it does not stop there.

https://archive.ph/ohCYY

"Genocide"??  Sure, why not?  Words don't mean anything anymore.

It’s a gloriously unhinged word salad:

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #845 on: May 19, 2023, 01:55:33 PM »
Be it woke leftism or traditionalist conservatism, morality is the fuel that powers the engine of tyranny
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #846 on: May 19, 2023, 03:21:01 PM »
Be it woke leftism or traditionalist conservatism, morality is the fuel that powers the engine of tyranny
I don’t think morality itself is the cause, but it can be a vector. I think the cause is more likely to be a primal desire to assert hierarchy and control. Mussolini went from being a Communist to starting the Fascist Party. He, and practically everyone else involved in Marxist or Fascist politics, are seeking a means to be in complete control. The path taken is secondary. Claims to morality can offer similar cover, and it wouldn’t be unfair to label many of the Woke as neo-Puritans.

Maybe you meant something similar. Or not.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #847 on: May 20, 2023, 07:32:04 AM »
Be it woke leftism or traditionalist conservatism, morality is the fuel that powers the engine of tyranny
There’s a huge difference between what the Woke neo-gnostics believe (I am a god and reality must conform to my will and if you don’t agree with me you are wicked) and traditional western morality (i.e. Christianity; love God above all, love others as you love yourself, forgive the repentant, don’t lie, steal or hold grudges, protect children, etc.).

Indeed, I’d argue that most tyranny comes from ignoring the tenants of traditional Western morality. All the great tyrants of history either persecute those who actually push those Christian beliefs or seek to corrupt Christian beliefs into something that better suits their agenda for control (ex. the Prosperity Gospel… you are good because you are rich and powerful… Jesus made no such promises; rather he claimed the opposite).

The biggest lie of the Woke is that all cultures are equal. They’re not. Western civilization founded on Christianity is what ended slavery and saw women as more than chattel, created hospitals and universities, preserved the knowledge of other cultures instead of destroying it, advanced the arts, was the sponsor of scientific advancement and the use of reason.

Woke culture is going back to the bad old pre-Western days… they want everyone enslaved to their insane dictates. They are erasing real women from society via their Trannie perversion. They claim reason and science are “white supremacy.” They vandalize art, seek to erase history and destroy society on the basis of warped magical thinking that somehow utopia will spring ex nihilo from the ashes.

To pretend both are somehow equal in any way is to be infected by the very Woke mind virus that leads to tyranny.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #848 on: May 20, 2023, 02:15:39 PM »
Morality is the fuel that powers the engine of tyranny

That statement is an oxymoron. You can't be against tyranny and not support a morality system. Morality is a kind of value judgment. Finding a problem with tyranny is a state of valu judgement.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #849 on: May 21, 2023, 08:07:10 AM »
Be it woke leftism or traditionalist conservatism, morality is the fuel that powers the engine of tyranny

Well, what do you seriously propose? Any old monkey with a half-baked molitov coctail of an argument can burn someone else's position down. It's much harder to build a constructive case.

Personally, I think that morality comes from God and that people are individually made in God's image. The concept of having "rights" in a modern sense requires believing individual humans have the image of God for two reasons:

  • The image of God means that things are true of the individual which aren't true of the collective. The individual matters more than the collective, which means that the collective can only compel the individual in select circumstances. In practically all other forms of morality, the collective is allowed to compel the individual whenever.
  • If you don't believe God created and assigned rights as part of the creation, rights become a collective haggling process with the state. There's no enforcement outside of the arrangement, so the agents of the state can suspend any right at any time as a matter of convenience. The question is not if it was a right of yours, but if you can push back enough to stop it.

This is why the Declaration of Independence explicitly cited God the creator as the source of inalienable rights.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #850 on: May 21, 2023, 09:40:47 AM »
The biggest lie of the Woke is that all cultures are equal. They’re not. Western civilization founded on Christianity is what ended slavery and saw women as more than chattel, created hospitals and universities, preserved the knowledge of other cultures instead of destroying it, advanced the arts, was the sponsor of scientific advancement and the use of reason

You can't seriously believe that, can you? Christianity caused the Dark Ages and ushered in nearly a thousand years of backward barbarism. If that didn't happen, we would all be living on the moons of Pluto and living to 300 years old. Think of what has been invented in the last 100 years of scientific discovery... now imagine if we had that 1000 years black hole worth filled with science instead of crusades, witch burnings and slavery.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #851 on: May 21, 2023, 09:56:11 AM »
The biggest lie of the Woke is that all cultures are equal. They’re not. Western civilization founded on Christianity is what ended slavery and saw women as more than chattel, created hospitals and universities, preserved the knowledge of other cultures instead of destroying it, advanced the arts, was the sponsor of scientific advancement and the use of reason

You can't seriously believe that, can you? Christianity caused the Dark Ages and ushered in nearly a thousand years of backward barbarism. If that didn't happen, we would all be living on the moons of Pluto and living to 300 years old. Think of what has been invented in the last 100 years of scientific discovery... now imagine if we had that 1000 years black hole worth filled with science instead of crusades, witch burnings and slavery.
Christianity didn’t cause the Dark Ages, and the Dark Ages didn’t affect the whole world. You still had civilization cruising along in the Byzantine Empire and many other parts of the world. To say that the only reason why we’re not living to 300 years old is because Western Europe had a Dark Age is at best myopic thinking that assumes for some reason such advances could only occur due to Western Europe.

Christians also were a primary force behind the abolition movement, and wasn’t a cause of slavery. Slavery existed well before Christianity, and was not a cause.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #852 on: May 22, 2023, 05:38:28 AM »
Christianity caused the dark ages with crusades?   GTFO.   Crusades were a DIRECT response to a Jihad of Europe.  People do not bother to actually read history and get blurbs from modern media flavored with modernity.   It also provided the stable civilizations for all the scientific wonders of the past 100 years.   People have zero perspective.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #853 on: May 22, 2023, 06:49:48 AM »
Christianity caused the dark ages with crusades?   GTFO.   Crusades were a DIRECT response to a Jihad of Europe.  People do not bother to actually read history and get blurbs from modern media flavored with modernity.   It also provided the stable civilizations for all the scientific wonders of the past 100 years.   People have zero perspective.

I fucking HATE how Hollywood movies of the last generation or two have spun history in to civilized Muslims being warred upon by primitive and ignorant Crusaders. Muslims tried to conquer the fucking continent of Europe, and held chunks of it/took slaves from a bunch of it, for hundreds of years.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #854 on: May 22, 2023, 07:36:55 AM »
Christianity caused the dark ages with crusades?   GTFO.   Crusades were a DIRECT response to a Jihad of Europe.  People do not bother to actually read history and get blurbs from modern media flavored with modernity.   It also provided the stable civilizations for all the scientific wonders of the past 100 years.   People have zero perspective.

I fucking HATE how Hollywood movies of the last generation or two have spun history in to civilized Muslims being warred upon by primitive and ignorant Crusaders. Muslims tried to conquer the fucking continent of Europe, and held chunks of it/took slaves from a bunch of it, for hundreds of years.

Greetings!

Oh yes. Some 25 years ago, probably a third or 30% of the History professors I had strongly pushed the BS of the Muslims were Good, sweet, and enlightened--while the Christian Crusaders were Evil, hate-filled, Bigoted, and greedy for empire.

Just imagine what the students have been pumped full of by now?

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