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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 63061 times)

Mistwell

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #825 on: October 30, 2022, 08:34:00 PM »
Except I am a NeoCon.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #826 on: October 30, 2022, 08:58:10 PM »
What are some other news aggregator sites you like?

I use:
thelibertydaily.com
conservativeplaylist.com
justthenews.com
rantingly.com

And the best forum of course is:
freerepublic.com
where users post news articles from everywhere for commentary


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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #827 on: October 30, 2022, 09:49:13 PM »
What are some other news aggregator sites you like?

I use:
thelibertydaily.com
conservativeplaylist.com
justthenews.com
rantingly.com

And the best forum of course is:
freerepublic.com
where users post news articles from everywhere for commentary

I actually forgot about the Freepers.

That first link is at least a format I'm familiar with :)

Rantingly too
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #828 on: October 31, 2022, 07:26:55 PM »
Greetings!

More fucking "Critical Race Theory" and anti-white racism being officially taught--and as a required course--at a university.

The corner on woke in this country won't be turned until we can get these cock-sucking Marxists out of our universities and schools. Libtard professors are engaged in a program of social engineering, corruption, and brainwashing, all aimed at our young people. They are like an evil hateful cult.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #829 on: October 31, 2022, 09:36:35 PM »
The corner on woke in this country won't be turned until we can get these cock-sucking Marxists out of our universities and schools. Libtard professors are engaged in a program of social engineering, corruption, and brainwashing, all aimed at our young people. They are like an evil hateful cult.
I thought this image was hilarious as it will be up to the next generation.




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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #830 on: October 31, 2022, 11:14:56 PM »
The corner on woke in this country won't be turned until we can get these cock-sucking Marxists out of our universities and schools. Libtard professors are engaged in a program of social engineering, corruption, and brainwashing, all aimed at our young people. They are like an evil hateful cult.
I thought this image was hilarious as it will be up to the next generation.

The 'see me after class' note was icing on the cake.
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #831 on: November 01, 2022, 02:10:06 PM »
Russian Propaganda Video on migrating to the USA
It's funny because it's about "the woke".

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #832 on: November 01, 2022, 07:48:19 PM »
Marxists out of our universities

LOL since we've had Marxists as a thing, they've been in universities. They're not ever leaving our universities.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #833 on: November 03, 2022, 01:06:13 PM »
Marxists out of our universities

LOL since we've had Marxists as a thing, they've been in universities. They're not ever leaving our universities.

Their ideas can't easily survive in reality, so of course it's off to the ivory tower with them.

But real talk, I feel like at least in the public universities we fund we shouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. I'm not saying don't teach about Marx or Marxist thought, but we don't need cult leaders or people who won't properly contextualize it as the horrible ideology that it actually has been historically and the like. If you're gonna teach about something, actually teach the whole truth and don't use distortion.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #834 on: November 03, 2022, 03:32:57 PM »
Marxists out of our universities

LOL since we've had Marxists as a thing, they've been in universities. They're not ever leaving our universities.

Their ideas can't easily survive in reality, so of course it's off to the ivory tower with them.

But real talk, I feel like at least in the public universities we fund we shouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. I'm not saying don't teach about Marx or Marxist thought, but we don't need cult leaders or people who won't properly contextualize it as the horrible ideology that it actually has been historically and the like. If you're gonna teach about something, actually teach the whole truth and don't use distortion.

I agree, I just don't think this is a realistic goal. It's like saying we should have no gophers in gopher holes. The university is the natural habitat for American Marxists. You're always going to find some there. The entire system is built to hire professors who think like the professors who hire them, who thought like the professors who hired them originally, and on back. Until we get to a stage of society where diversity of perspective includes political perspectives and we enforce a diversity of perspectives in university hiring, it can't really change. And even once we get to that stage it will be 25 years before we see that change because professors hang onto their jobs for their lives.

To me the best way to deal with this is 1) have a good series of watchdog efforts to inform people who they are in the Universities so students know what they're walking into before taking that class, and 2) educate your kids before they go to college to just roll their eyes at the extremists, challenge them within the boundaries of still being able to get a good grade enough that others in the class know the professor doesn't represent mainstream views, and otherwise ignore them for the ivory tower ignorance they represent.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #835 on: November 03, 2022, 10:08:48 PM »
Marxists out of our universities

LOL since we've had Marxists as a thing, they've been in universities. They're not ever leaving our universities.

Their ideas can't easily survive in reality, so of course it's off to the ivory tower with them.

But real talk, I feel like at least in the public universities we fund we shouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. I'm not saying don't teach about Marx or Marxist thought, but we don't need cult leaders or people who won't properly contextualize it as the horrible ideology that it actually has been historically and the like. If you're gonna teach about something, actually teach the whole truth and don't use distortion.

I agree, I just don't think this is a realistic goal. It's like saying we should have no gophers in gopher holes. The university is the natural habitat for American Marxists. You're always going to find some there. The entire system is built to hire professors who think like the professors who hire them, who thought like the professors who hired them originally, and on back. Until we get to a stage of society where diversity of perspective includes political perspectives and we enforce a diversity of perspectives in university hiring, it can't really change. And even once we get to that stage it will be 25 years before we see that change because professors hang onto their jobs for their lives.

Except this statement is demonstrably false.  Up until the late 1950s and early 60s, the "politics" of the university was much more heterodox.  It was in the 1930s that hiring and tenure committees started to tilt the playing field, but even until the mid-80s you could still find a large number of politically conservative voices on campus and among the faculty (especially outside the "liberal" arts).  The professors of the 40s and 50s were open to hire those who didn't think like them, and as a result, many leftist professors were hired and tenured.  Starting in the 60s, the leftist professors who gained control over the hiring committees proved to be very different, unwilling to extend the same courtesy to those who originally welcomed them in.  The total slant of the public and private universities is a product of about 50 years of concentrated effort.  It's not the way it always was...

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #836 on: November 04, 2022, 12:25:07 AM »
Marxists out of our universities

LOL since we've had Marxists as a thing, they've been in universities. They're not ever leaving our universities.

Their ideas can't easily survive in reality, so of course it's off to the ivory tower with them.

But real talk, I feel like at least in the public universities we fund we shouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. I'm not saying don't teach about Marx or Marxist thought, but we don't need cult leaders or people who won't properly contextualize it as the horrible ideology that it actually has been historically and the like. If you're gonna teach about something, actually teach the whole truth and don't use distortion.

I agree, I just don't think this is a realistic goal. It's like saying we should have no gophers in gopher holes. The university is the natural habitat for American Marxists. You're always going to find some there. The entire system is built to hire professors who think like the professors who hire them, who thought like the professors who hired them originally, and on back. Until we get to a stage of society where diversity of perspective includes political perspectives and we enforce a diversity of perspectives in university hiring, it can't really change. And even once we get to that stage it will be 25 years before we see that change because professors hang onto their jobs for their lives.

Except this statement is demonstrably false.  Up until the late 1950s and early 60s, the "politics" of the university was much more heterodox.

How does that statement in any way disprove what I said? Before 1950 80% of our current universities didn't even exist! You're talking about 72 years ago - which yeah, is before the three generations I just mentioned. In fact 1950 is literally closer to when Marx lived than it is to 2022!

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It was in the 1930s that hiring and tenure committees started to tilt the playing field

You realize 1930 is when Marx became popular in the U.S., right? You're making my point. Since there were American Marxists, they've been in US Universities.

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, but even until the mid-80s you could still find a large number of politically conservative voices on campus and among the faculty (especially outside the "liberal" arts).

No see that is a different argument entirely. I didn't say anything about when Conservatives were driven out of Universities, I said Marxists have always been in the Universities as their natural habitat in the U.S.. Of course there was a shift in the number of Conservatives but that's not the same issue as when Marxists could be found in Universities. Since Marx was a thing in the U.S., Marxists have found a home in U.S. colleges. You're not going to get rid of them any time soon.