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Author Topic: Turning the corner on "woke"?  (Read 44074 times)

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #675 on: May 23, 2022, 09:28:20 PM »
Greetings!

I was wondering. WTF happened to Rob Necronomicon and Pat? Both of them have BANNED under their names.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #676 on: May 23, 2022, 09:31:47 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.
Escalation isn't the answer if your trying to return to civility. If, on the other hand, you just want to cede to them that you are a monster, then by all means, engage in your stupid plan.
Funny enough, politeness and civility didn't seem to be an issue when dueling was a common practice...

Yep. An armed society is a polite society.  I highly doubt that the likes of antifa or woke college students would be so vile if there was the very real threat of them being maimed or killed for their actions.  Cannons at 10 paces...

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #677 on: May 23, 2022, 09:35:31 PM »
Greetings!

I was wondering. WTF happened to Rob Necronomicon and Pat? Both of them have BANNED under their names.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #678 on: May 23, 2022, 10:06:32 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.
Escalation isn't the answer if your trying to return to civility. If, on the other hand, you just want to cede to them that you are a monster, then by all means, engage in your stupid plan.
Funny enough, politeness and civility didn't seem to be an issue when dueling was a common practice...

Yep. An armed society is a polite society.  I highly doubt that the likes of antifa or woke college students would be so vile if there was the very real threat of them being maimed or killed for their actions.  Cannons at 10 paces...

Greetings!

I agree, 3catcircus. These SJW woke scum need to pay a steep price for their stupidity and hatred. If they started getting their asses fucking curb-stomped, or blazed on and killed, they would soon learn to behave differently.

And, well, if they are just too stupid, too stubborn, or too brainwashed to learn how to behave and speak better, then they get crushed and taken out with the trash. No loss. Society would be improved by cutting out the cancer from our midst. That's "evolution" at work right there. Those that are too stupid to get with the program get eliminated.

There was a time in this country, that defending a man's honour could easily get the offender killed. Insult a man, and he could easily blaze on you, and kill you. Problem solved. Interestingly, as I recall, a man once insulted President Andrew Jackson, basically saying that Jackson's wife was a whore.

President Jackson arranged to meet the offender in public, and out in front of the fucking White House had a duel where Jackson killed the man right there. Sword or pistol, I forgot. President Jackson had killed men before with both.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #679 on: May 23, 2022, 10:07:55 PM »
Greetings!

I was wondering. WTF happened to Rob Necronomicon and Pat? Both of them have BANNED under their names.

Semper Fidelis,

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Hadn't noticed the custom title, but I was briefly banned by mistake.

Greetings!

Glad to see you are still here, Pat! Good to know, man.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #680 on: May 23, 2022, 11:39:15 PM »
I was thinking about this a bit. The obsession of wokeists with words being analogous to weapons these days.

Now, words can hurt, but -- bear with me here -- usually it's when you get hit from an unexpected quarter. Harsh words from someone you love. Because you're vulnerable.

Some nobody? Eh, might bother me for a day or so. Maybe. Depends on the situation and context. Chances are good I won't care.

But because wokeists have the mental equivalent of an immunodeficiency disorder, they're always vulnerable. And so they recoil violently when the proper response is 'eh, go fuck yourself' and drive on.

This is where I'm a firm believer that more people need a fist to the face in response to their passive-aggressive use of words as weapons. Busted lips and broken noses in response to calling those with different opinions Nazis and racists would do wonders to make them learn some manners.
Escalation isn't the answer if your trying to return to civility. If, on the other hand, you just want to cede to them that you are a monster, then by all means, engage in your stupid plan.
Funny enough, politeness and civility didn't seem to be an issue when dueling was a common practice...
Don't be so sure about that.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #681 on: May 24, 2022, 12:42:19 AM »
I dunno if this is a case of 'turning a corner' or not, but Mercedes Lackey just got yeeted out of the Nebula Conference for the high crime of using the word 'colored'.

Link: https://www.sfwa.org/2022/05/22/statement-removal-mercedes-lackey-nebula-conference/

And this is why I say 'Wokeism has no mechanism for forgiveness'. There's also a healthy dollop of suspicion in some circles that this is a power play to get rid of her, to clear the path for other, more woke authors.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #682 on: May 24, 2022, 12:47:09 AM »
The best part is the useless meat who complained, Jen Brown.

She wrote on Twitter about how she had 'an out of body experience'. Started to type several things (I think this must've been a virtual Zoom conference) and then stopped. She didn't try to correct Lackey. She didn't approach Lackey later and say 'Hey, um... please don't use that word again.' Instead, she went and cried on Twitter about how traumatic it was and talked about the 'power dynamics'.

There it is. It's not about racism, it's about power and oppression and their fucked up activist worldview.
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« Reply #684 on: May 24, 2022, 01:19:22 AM »
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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #685 on: May 24, 2022, 02:18:26 AM »
Greetings!

I was wondering. WTF happened to Rob Necronomicon and Pat? Both of them have BANNED under their names.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #686 on: May 24, 2022, 03:20:10 PM »
There was a time in this country, that defending a man's honour could easily get the offender killed. Insult a man, and he could easily blaze on you, and kill you. Problem solved. Interestingly, as I recall, a man once insulted President Andrew Jackson, basically saying that Jackson's wife was a whore.

President Jackson arranged to meet the offender in public, and out in front of the fucking White House had a duel where Jackson killed the man right there. Sword or pistol, I forgot. President Jackson had killed men before with both.

I think you're mixing up incidents. Jackson killed Charles Dickinson at a duel in 1806, long before he became president. He had many other duels (supposedly as many as 100), but in none of the others did he kill someone.

But really, from my reading of documents from history, people insulted each other all the time back then. The image of everyone in 19th century America being polite and nicey-nicey is a misconception. From documents I've read of the time, people could be extremely vicious and insulting to each other in editorials. During Jackson's campaign, from what I understand,

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The Cincinnati Gazette was reported to have published, in 1828, an article which alleged this very thing.

"General Jackson’s mother was a common prostitute, brought to this country by the British soldiers! She afterwards married a mulatto man, with whom she had several children, of which number General Jackson is one!"

Additionally, supporters of Jackson’s opponent, John Quincy Adams, drew attention to the fact that when Jackson married his wife Rachel, she had not technically been divorced from her previous husband, and called her an adulteress.

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #687 on: May 24, 2022, 03:44:56 PM »
There was a time in this country, that defending a man's honour could easily get the offender killed. Insult a man, and he could easily blaze on you, and kill you. Problem solved. Interestingly, as I recall, a man once insulted President Andrew Jackson, basically saying that Jackson's wife was a whore.

President Jackson arranged to meet the offender in public, and out in front of the fucking White House had a duel where Jackson killed the man right there. Sword or pistol, I forgot. President Jackson had killed men before with both.

I think you're mixing up incidents. Jackson killed Charles Dickinson at a duel in 1806, long before he became president. He had many other duels (supposedly as many as 100), but in none of the others did he kill someone.

But really, from my reading of documents from history, people insulted each other all the time back then. The image of everyone in 19th century America being polite and nicey-nicey is a misconception. From documents I've read of the time, people could be extremely vicious and insulting to each other in editorials. During Jackson's campaign, from what I understand,

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The Cincinnati Gazette was reported to have published, in 1828, an article which alleged this very thing.

"General Jackson’s mother was a common prostitute, brought to this country by the British soldiers! She afterwards married a mulatto man, with whom she had several children, of which number General Jackson is one!"

Additionally, supporters of Jackson’s opponent, John Quincy Adams, drew attention to the fact that when Jackson married his wife Rachel, she had not technically been divorced from her previous husband, and called her an adulteress.

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #688 on: May 24, 2022, 03:49:41 PM »
There was a time in this country, that defending a man's honour could easily get the offender killed. Insult a man, and he could easily blaze on you, and kill you. Problem solved. Interestingly, as I recall, a man once insulted President Andrew Jackson, basically saying that Jackson's wife was a whore.

President Jackson arranged to meet the offender in public, and out in front of the fucking White House had a duel where Jackson killed the man right there. Sword or pistol, I forgot. President Jackson had killed men before with both.

I think you're mixing up incidents. Jackson killed Charles Dickinson at a duel in 1806, long before he became president. He had many other duels (supposedly as many as 100), but in none of the others did he kill someone.

But really, from my reading of documents from history, people insulted each other all the time back then. The image of everyone in 19th century America being polite and nicey-nicey is a misconception. From documents I've read of the time, people could be extremely vicious and insulting to each other in editorials. During Jackson's campaign, from what I understand,

Quote
The Cincinnati Gazette was reported to have published, in 1828, an article which alleged this very thing.

"General Jackson’s mother was a common prostitute, brought to this country by the British soldiers! She afterwards married a mulatto man, with whom she had several children, of which number General Jackson is one!"

Additionally, supporters of Jackson’s opponent, John Quincy Adams, drew attention to the fact that when Jackson married his wife Rachel, she had not technically been divorced from her previous husband, and called her an adulteress.

Source: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/are-presidential-campaigns-getting-nastier-not-really

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Yep, Jhkim, it has been years since I read about President Jackson.

I've also read many history books detailing the lives of different people in the 19th Century in particular, including out West. It was quite common for people to be killed for insulting a man. Did everyone that behaved in such a manner get killed? No, of course not. However, it was a frequent, and well-understood reality of the time. I've also read history books--not fucking Wikipedia--that described the culture of dueling, and blood-vengeance. Insulting a man easily could get you into a duel and run the fuck through with a man's sword. Such deeply-held traditions resulted in so many men being killed as a common occurrence that it inspired newly-organized laws and civic codes to restrict, and eventually ban honour duels. That reality is not some kind of misconception or over simplification. it was a historical reality in America.

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Re: Turning the corner on "woke"?
« Reply #689 on: May 24, 2022, 04:33:43 PM »
It was quite common for people to be killed for insulting a man. Did everyone that behaved in such a manner get killed? No, of course not. However, it was a frequent, and well-understood reality of the time. I've also read history books--not fucking Wikipedia--that described the culture of dueling, and blood-vengeance. Insulting a man easily could get you into a duel and run the fuck through with a man's sword. Such deeply-held traditions resulted in so many men being killed as a common occurrence that it inspired newly-organized laws and civic codes to restrict, and eventually ban honour duels. That reality is not some kind of misconception or over simplification. it was a historical reality in America.

I'm not disputing that honor duels happened. I'm disputing that honor duels meant that everyone was polite to each other back then. As far as I can tell from the time, people were still pretty fucking rude to each other.