Turning the corner on "woke"?

[Rob Necronomicon]

Go clean your whore mothers twat of her clients juice you simp.

Toot toot! The little bugler speaks to me yet again. You seem to be following me around like a bad smell.

Mind you, you're just a harmless little man. Toot toot!

[DocJones]

The only problem with #1 is the cells aren't differentiated right then and there.  The whole sperm meets egg and turned into zygote is about 3 weeks after copulation...

The definition of conception from Websters:
1) Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.
2) The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.

I had not heard of anyone defining the start of life back to the act of copulation, so I did not list that.

[3catcircus]

The only problem with #1 is the cells aren't differentiated right then and there.  The whole sperm meets egg and turned into zygote is about 3 weeks after copulation...

The definition of conception from Websters:
1) Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.
2) The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.

I had not heard of anyone defining the start of life back to the act of copulation, so I did not list that.

Yep - that's part of the problem - scientific vs colloquial definitions. *Most* people think copulation when someone says conception.

[Pat]

Okay wise guy, we're talking about human life, is any gamete (or any other cell in your body) able to grow to form a new human individual with a unique set of DNA?

A mouse fart? Oh, I'd forgotten you were here...

Oh, so you want to talk now, after all your lame ad hominem attacks? I'm happy to talk to anyone, but you and cowPat can go fuck a few goats. 

You start with the ad hominem attacks, and whine they get thrown back?

You're a little princess.

[Rob Necronomicon]

You're a little princess.

Indeed... I'm a right diva. 

However, cowPat, you'll find he dished it out first, and I just simply retaliated. So your statement is pure poo. LOL

It's simple really. Shits get treated like shit. 

[Pat]

I see what you're saying, man. But that's the question, I'm asking you at what stage do we consider it to be a person? The term life is nebulous at best (in the early stages).

No, it's not nebulous. It's as close as you can get to a universal scientific consensus. Life starts at conception.

The sperm and egg cells before conception aren't alive?

They are, but they aren't a human life.

The whole "life" argument has always been a stupid one, promulgated only by dimmest of the dim, like Blobby Necrobrain. The question isn't and has never been about life, but about what makes a human. Some call it the soul, though I object to that on pragmatic grounds -- it's not really definable, even within the context of a specific religion. But all the more objective definitions are equally amorphous. Birth? Too late, by nearly anyone's defintion. Heartbeat? Irrelevant. Viability? That's a moving target, and most people object to just randomly killing disabled elderly, comatose, or even unconscious people, so it's a crap definition. X weeks? That's purely arbitrary. You can go through the rest of the list, and they're all garbage.

That's why people fall back on conception, because it's the one clear, hard line in the entire mess. Even if people don't agree that two cells makes a human, as long as they fall on the less permissive side, it's a place to rally around.

The alternative is to admit it's fuzzy, and start with most people's intuition, and derive some guidelines backwards. Most people seem to agree that if a baby is viable, killing it is clearly wrong. Since the earliest preemie to survive is around 19 weeks, that's a start.

The other consideration is relative harm and responsibility. Who suffers more, if the line is drawn in the wrong place? The mother, or the baby? Clearly, the baby. Because the mother was an active participant, had many decision points, and giving birth, while not risk-free, isn't guaranteed death. Which abortion is, to the baby. So based on the degree of relative harm and responsibility, there's a strong argument for making an error in the direction that inconveniences the mother, rather than killing the baby.

The final consideration is enforcement. We have to rely on the proxy of the government to make these calls, and do we really want that? I sure as hell don't. The politicians on both sides are some of the worst humans beings who ever existed. That's a strong argument in favor of removing legal barriers entirely, but using soft measures to encourage certain decisions. Wait times, education into alternatives, pressure using social mores, that kind of thing.

[Pat]

You're a little princess.

Indeed... I'm a right diva. 

However, cowPat, you'll find he dished it out first, and I just simply retaliated. So your statement is pure poo. LOL

It's simple really. Shits get treated like shit. 

You attacked me first, so you have the credibility of Nancy Pelosi.

But it's good that you admit you're a piece of shit.

[Rob Necronomicon]

You're a little princess.

Indeed... I'm a right diva. 

However, cowPat, you'll find he dished it out first, and I just simply retaliated. So your statement is pure poo. LOL

It's simple really. Shits get treated like shit. 

You attacked me first, so you have the credibility of Nancy Pelosi.

But it's good that you admit you're a piece of shit.

I thought we were talking about little bugler boy, no? Trying to change the goalposts I see. That's cowPats m.o. LOL

So I think your own statement applies to you 'You're a little princess.'

Boohoo!

[Pat]

You're a little princess.

Indeed... I'm a right diva. 

However, cowPat, you'll find he dished it out first, and I just simply retaliated. So your statement is pure poo. LOL

It's simple really. Shits get treated like shit. 

You attacked me first, so you have the credibility of Nancy Pelosi.

But it's good that you admit you're a piece of shit.

I thought we were talking about little bugler boy, no? Trying to change the goalposts I see. That's cowPats m.o. LOL

So I think your own statement applies to you 'You're a little princess.'

Boohoo!

I didn't change any goalposts. You jumped to conclusions, like you do.

You're just a miserable excuse for a human.

[Rob Necronomicon]

You're just a miserable excuse for a human.

Am I supposed to be hurt by that coming from human feces like yourself? I'll start weeping in a few months. 

What a dweeb... LOL

[Pat]

You're just a miserable excuse for a human.

Am I supposed to be hurt by that coming from human feces like yourself? I'll start weeping in a few months. 

What a dweeb... LOL

Correction: You're a 12 year old princess.

[Rob Necronomicon]

Correction: You're a 12 year old princess.

I would have said 9. Young at heart go me... 

Better than being some old dirty bastard of course, right Prat?

[Rob Necronomicon]

it's not really definable, even within the context of a specific religion.

Wow... You won the whole interwebs with this. That alone ladies and gentlemen has every scientist in the world now trembling and rethinking everything they have learned.

All I can say is 'thank you', cowPat. You've proven that you are indeed a clueless moron. Between that astounding bit of reasoning, and the little Bugler boy's Iraq statement about Hitchens. Sheer class... Pair of fookin' muppets.

"Not really definable...." Haw haw haw...

[Pat]

Correction: You're a 12 year old princess.

I would have said 9. Young at heart go me... 

Better than being some old dirty bastard of course, right Prat?

Ok groomer.

[Pat]

it's not really definable, even within the context of a specific religion.

Wow... You won the whole interwebs with this. That alone ladies and gentlemen has every scientist in the world now trembling and rethinking everything they have learned.

All I can say is 'thank you', cowPat. You've proven that you are indeed a clueless moron. Between that astounding bit of reasoning, and the little Bugler boy's Iraq statement about Hitchens. Sheer class... Pair of fookin' muppets.

"Not really definable...." Haw haw haw...

The world doesn't operate the way religious extremists like you believe it does.