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oggsmash:

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--- Quote from: Trond on June 18, 2021, 10:24:30 AM ---Complaining out loud is what it takes if you ask me. People are generally terrified of being “the only one” who thinks something for themselves.

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   I agree with that.  But without follow up action, it means nothing beyond noise.

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What action would you suggest?

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   The supers for these schools who allow it in need to be fired, immediately.  If they are not, ALL the board members need to be replaced, and then fire the supers. 

ScytheSong:
So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

On the other hand, "woke" is and has always been stupid when taken out of the context of Black culture. It's a phrase coined by black folks in the South to talk about other folks (usually white but occasionally black or other race) and how well they understand what black folks go through on a daily basis. If anyone who passes the paper bag test is talking about wokeness in any form, I feel completely free to ignore them as uninformed, whether they are on the left or the right side of the spectrum.

Ratman_tf:

--- Quote from: ScytheSong on July 02, 2021, 12:55:06 AM ---So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.
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Your information is 50 years outdated. Critical Race Theory hasn't spent the past five decades frozen in time.

In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you only have to look into how they re-define terms and their basic assumptions about Theory.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/

Pat:

--- Quote from: ScytheSong on July 02, 2021, 12:55:06 AM ---So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.

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Absolute horseshit. People argued and fought against all of that, long before Critical Race Theory raised its racist head. Critical Race Theory wasn't the champion that fought against even of one of those things, all it's doing is appropriating distorted versions of those events, long after the fact, to spread a virulently hateful message.

ScytheSong:

--- Quote from: Ratman_tf on July 02, 2021, 01:01:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: ScytheSong on July 02, 2021, 12:55:06 AM ---So Critical Race Theory is, at it's base, looking at the legal history of the United States of America and seeing how much of our laws were designed to keep WASP men in power, and particularly to keep black folks in line beneath the WASPs. It's hard to argue that redlining didn't happen, or that 'sundown' towns didn't exist, or that several hundred people were not murdered in Tulsa, and a couple thousand more were not burned out of their homes. In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you have to ignore all of the Jim Crow laws and all of the times when 'driving while black' got someone tossed in jail.
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Your information is 50 years outdated. Critical Race Theory hasn't spent the past five decades frozen in time.

In order to argue against Critical Race Theory, you only have to look into how they re-define terms and their basic assumptions about Theory.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/

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Critical Theory and the Frankfurt School are a separate thing from Critical Race Theory, and your conflating them leaves me astonished and bewildered. It's like assuming that neoliberalism and libertarianism are the same thing because they have liber- as a shared root. Believe you me, I've read both recent and seminal works in Critical Race Theory, and your argument fails.

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