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« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2006, 10:13:26 PM »
The original BSG is one science fiction show that I utterly hated even in it's first airing (I was 8 and cared a lot about dialogue). Every episode had several lines of cringe-worthy dialogue (pretty much like the '70's Buck Rogers series*), so I went in expecting that the mini-series would be gawd-fucking-awful and was stunned by how good it turned out to be.

I was accused once of only liking the new BSG because it in that person's mind, it's "edgy" (which is the very last thing that particular person would like.) Except that isn't it. I like  EJO/Adama because he has a much more complete range of emotion (he's a more 3-dimensional character) than LG/Adama.

I'm particularly intrigued by Benedict's statement that smoking, gambling, and sex are no longer allowed on tv for men. Within the past three weeks, I've observed male protagonists on the NBC show Heroes, gamble, use heroin, have sex, and smoke. CSI on CBS shows males doing such things nearly every week! His problem seems largely to be that women are being shown doing these things in equal (or nearly so) amounts, and he doesn't like to think of them that way. As it happens however, Dirk Benedict's personal squick factor is irrelevant to the rest of us, unless he's about to perform bowel surgery.



(*I've been thinking for the last few months how much I'd love to see Buck Rogers get the same treatment!)
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« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2006, 11:48:52 AM »
The old Buck Rogers show is pretty craptastic, but it has one eternal feature which can never be denied:

Hot chicks in sexy costumes.

Every week, guaranteed.  Kids, tell Dad!
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« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2006, 11:56:49 AM »
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The old Buck Rogers show is pretty craptastic, but it has one eternal feature which can never be denied:

Hot chicks in sexy costumes.

Every week, guaranteed.  Kids, tell Dad!





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« Reply #63 on: November 08, 2006, 12:08:43 PM »
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I agree with Dirk 100%.

The only positive thing I can think of regarding "new Galactica" is that in 20 years everyone will have forgotten it and discarded it like the trash it is while the original is still remembered.


Hey, I like Dirk too...I just think he's wrong in this instance...

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while the original is still remembered.



Yes, how will I ever forget:



and





and also:



My almost final word in the topic...Other than the original series ships, cylons and Starbuck I enjoy the new BSG more...
 

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« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2006, 01:25:00 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2006, 01:43:38 PM »
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Well, she can't.  Look at the shape of his head!  

"*beedee-beedee-beedee*  I have five speeds!"



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« Reply #66 on: November 09, 2006, 11:09:38 AM »
Trust me.  In 20-30 years, the new BSG will look even MORE dated than the original.  It's too mired in it's self indulgent wallowing in the aftermath of 9/11.  It's self conscious edginess will be just as painful for future viewers to see as Apollo's scenes with Boxey.

The original could always fall back on its mythic qualities.  The current version can only fall back to it's cynical and nilhistic worldview.

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« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2006, 12:17:08 PM »
I call foul.  Anybody using Galactica 1980 to show how the original series sucked is playing dirty pool.

Also, Buck Rogers was a helluva show.
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« Reply #68 on: November 09, 2006, 12:45:27 PM »
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Trust me.  In 20-30 years, the new BSG will look even MORE dated than the original.  It's too mired in it's self indulgent wallowing in the aftermath of 9/11.  It's self conscious edginess will be just as painful for future viewers to see as Apollo's scenes with Boxey.


Maybe..it's possible that they'll both look/feel dated.  Thinking on it, what's wrong with liking something in the era(the '70's) it occurred but not necessarily now?

For example, I loved Knight Rider back in the day, now I like it as a guilty pleasure.  I will not defend that it is a quality show or deep entertainment, but I still like a show that uses the "Evil Twin" cliche with reckless abandon.


Actually the biggest problem I have with both BSGs, is the "Gilligan's Island" paradox.  A show about finding the McGuffin, but if you find/attain the McGuffin, the show is over. Or you have to lose it again.
These shows can work, they just have to know when to quit.


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I call foul.  Anybody using Galactica 1980 to show how the original series sucked is playing dirty pool.


Damn, you got me...
 

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« Reply #69 on: November 09, 2006, 01:23:27 PM »
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Also, Buck Rogers was a helluva show.
I dunno, man.  Remember the one about the rock music that made kids riot?  Or the space vampire?  

I'm not saying it's not enjoyable, but objectively, it is pretty bad.  Note, however, that I do acknowledge its judicious (and welcome!) inclusion of hotties, and that'll never age.
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« Reply #70 on: November 09, 2006, 02:07:04 PM »
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I'm not saying it's not enjoyable, but objectively, it is pretty bad.  


How can you say this is bad?


or this:



and finally:

 

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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2006, 04:22:29 PM »
*sigh*  Now I gotta explain what "bad" means?

Objectively, the show was kinda badly-written, with some silly creative decisions.  

It's still fun, it's still enjoyable, it still makes memories.  It just doesn't hit quality marks, that's all.

One of my favorite movies is Xanadu, so don't go thinking I'm some sort of snob.
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2006, 05:19:50 PM »
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*sigh*  Now I gotta explain what "bad" means?


No, not to me.  I know what you're talking about. Just taking advantage of putting up shots of Gary Coleman.


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Objectively, the show was kinda badly-written, with some silly creative decisions.  

It's still fun, it's still enjoyable, it still makes memories.  It just doesn't hit quality marks, that's all.


Yep.  Much of the 70's, early 80's was the same for TV.  I mean, how many times can the A-Team shoot at a truck/jeep/car have it fly through the air and crash horribly...followed by everyone getting out of the vehicle alive.

Doesn't mean I don't like it when Hannibal says: "I love it when a plan comes together".

It's the shows we grew up with. What else can you say about it.
 

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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2006, 08:47:28 PM »
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It's the shows we grew up with.
Sort of...I was in Mexico between 1981 and 1987, so I actually missed a good chunk of US TV its first time around.  I mean, some of it was on, but I didn't always get to see it.
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