Traveller vs. Margaret Weis

[PaulChapman]

Well, that's cool, but someone posted this bit of data here on theRPGsite, where apparently Eden's reasoning was that Angel was a more popular show than Firefly, and Angel was only barely worth the license in terms of sales, so it stood to reason that Firefly would not be worth it.

If you're indirectly citing my post earlier in this thread, then you're projecting your own conclusion. I did not say, nor did I insinuate, that Angel was "barely worth" the fees. In fact, I don't have any data on the profitability of the Angel line -- I'd assume it made money, but was more of a time/resource sink than Eden wanted to deal with.

[Dominus Nox]

Well, that's cool, but someone posted this bit of data here on theRPGsite, where apparently Eden's reasoning was that Angel was a more popular show than Firefly, and Angel was only barely worth the license in terms of sales, so it stood to reason that Firefly would not be worth it.

RPGPundit

Ok, what I feel a need to say here is that gamers are different that TV show audiences, and so using the popularity of a TV show as a way of saying that a game will be popular is at best a haphazard approach with a low order of success.

I mean, you can keep a TV show going with a walking barbi doll in a tight outfit  even if she couldn't act her way out of paper bag (A'la jeri ryan on voyager) or by having a couple women having a sexual affair but a RPG audience is harder to please than a TV audience, the gamers tend to want a little intelligence, plot and thought provoking material in their products, unlike most TV audiences.


This does not mean that I don't think any TV shows are good candidates for RPGs, in fact I'd love to see a good BSG RPG, but BSG has a lot of gaming potential. A lot of TV shows are just about "hot young" pseudo actors and those shows won't have legs in the RPG field.

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A lot of TV shows are just about "hot young" pseudo actors and those shows won't have legs in the RPG field.

You're absolutely correct.

[Mr. Analytical]

That Exalted one makes Curse of the Azure Bonds look like Whistler's Mother.

I'm guessing she doesn't wear that outfit when she's on her period.

[Aos]

This does not mean that I don't think any TV shows are good candidates for RPGs, in fact I'd love to see a good BSG RPG, but BSG has a lot of gaming potential. A lot of TV shows are just about "hot young" pseudo actors and those shows won't have legs in the RPG field.

Because, you know, BSG 90120 never relies on anything as tawdry as sex to keep people interested.

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Because, you know, BSG 90120 never relies on anything as tawdry as sex to keep people interested.

Absolutely not!

[King of Old School]

If it had come out either for the "T20" (Traveller D20) system or the GURPS system (tied into GURPS Traveller), this would have been a masterpiece that would have crossed fandoms, bringing Firefly fans to Traveller (and GURPS or D20), and getting Traveller fans to buy Firefly.

I don't think so.  If you're going to make a GURPS Firefly, why tie it to Traveller at all?  Browncoats don't give a shit about Traveller, and there will be a certain percentage (not marginal IMO) of the potential non-Browncoat customer base who will resent the implication that they need umpteen extra sourcebooks beyond the core to play Firefly.  If you're going to make GURPS Firefly (or d20 Firefly for that matter), make it a standalone book and maximise your appeal.

KoOS

[RPGPundit]

I despise the new BSG.

RPGPundit

[Dominus Nox]

I knew about avalanche press and it's softcore porn covers but decided not to mention it out of good taste.

@pundy, you're free to dislike the new BSG if you wish, your loss.

[Aos]

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@pundy, you're free to dislike the new BSG if you wish.

I bet that's a relief.

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I despise the new BSG.

RPGPundit

I actually like the new BSG...did you like the original?

I disliked the original (other than the ships,cylons and colonial uniforms).

I wonder how many people hate the new like the old and vice versa.

The new BSG needs flying motorcyles....come on, search your feelings, you know it's true!!!!

[Mr. Analytical]

I thought the first series of BSG was superb.  I thought the second series was empty-headed directionless shit.  The original BSG doesn't really enter into my beliefs.

I'm doubly annoyed by the extensive use of the blonde chick though.  A) She looks like she has tits like a spaniel's ears. and B) she's so skinny I bet she looks like a holocaust survivor when she takes her clothes off.

Additionally, I don't really like the new Dr. Who OR Torchwood.  In fact, I don't like any of the genre TV that's on at the moment.  Lost is okay but I've dragged my feet over buying the second part of series 2.

There's just so much cool stuff available on DVD these days that it seems silly to waste your time watching Moore and his cronies vaguely searching for something to write about and failing.

[Balbinus]

I actually like the new BSG...did you like the original?

I disliked the original (other than the ships,cylons and colonial uniforms).

I wonder how many people hate the new like the old and vice versa.

The new BSG needs flying motorcyles....come on, search your feelings, you know it's true!!!!

I loved the new BSG, though I haven't seen season two yet.

I thought the original was meretricious shite.

Flying motorcycles are being held back for the reinvention of CHIPS I understand.

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Flying motorcycles are being held back for the reinvention of CHIPS I understand.

Don't taunt me with false promises!

[Imperator]

I loved the new BSG, though I haven't seen season two yet.

I thought the original was meretricious shite.

Flying motorcycles are being held back for the reinvention of CHIPS I understand.

As always, what he said. Oh, and fuck Dirk Benedict, by the way. What an asshole.