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Author Topic: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery  (Read 2582 times)

Thorn Drumheller

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Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« on: October 12, 2022, 03:48:37 PM »
So I had to laugh when I saw this:

https://www.blackgate.com/2022/09/09/emnew-edge-sword-sorcery-magazineem-editor-oliver-brackenbury-interviewed-by-michael-harrington/

Just read the description of taking S&S but alloying inclusivity.........I'm fine with whatever they want to do. I'm just not gonna give 'em the chance. LOL
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oggsmash

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2022, 09:51:49 PM »
  That dumbass literally says "fellow white guys" in his blurbs.  Fuck me.

rytrasmi

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2022, 10:06:08 PM »
Oh, yes, finally! The messiah the Sword & Sorcery genre has been waiting for!
Hit me up if you're in the Toronto area and you wanna play Hyperborea 3E!

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2022, 12:49:15 AM »
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“How do we get more people into this genre?”

He may as well start burning money on a charcoal grill.



The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2022, 04:00:37 AM »
No mention of Red Sonja?  It's like those old timers had a thing against wimminfolk!  What next, Conan is pilloried for his racist crimes against Stygians?

There's nothing inherently wrong with inclusion but why single out one group (or “white guys,” for brevity’s sake) as the biggest obstacle.  That's not very inclusive is it.


 

 

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2022, 07:31:53 AM »
Has he never read Imaro? It’s the progenitor of sword & soul!

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2022, 12:34:10 PM »
"You can replace “women” and “sexism” in this example with just about every intersection of identity that isn’t my fellow white, cishet, neurotypical, able-bodied fellas"

This is beyond cringe.

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2022, 12:44:13 PM »
I don't fall into his "fellow white, cishet, neurotypical, able-bodied fellas" and I find this cringy af. I just want to be treated like a normal person, not coddled, worshipped, or pitied.

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2022, 01:23:17 PM »
No sale, and that cover art is plain awful.

Thorn Drumheller

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2022, 06:24:15 PM »
No sale, and that cover art is plain awful.

Exactly. The cover art is so .... so..... dumb
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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2022, 11:27:33 PM »
Amazing infantilization of black people in the article as per usual. Thank God we have these white saviors to tell us what's best for us.

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2022, 02:10:49 AM »
Has he never read Imaro? It’s the progenitor of sword & soul!

Yeah, the article sounds like he's giving out buzzwords for attention without acknowledging works like Imaro. I see that issue #0 of his magazine has free PDF and EPUB download, but I haven't read the stories.

I love the Imaro stories. I wish there were a direct RPG adaptation. Has anyone tried Ki Khanga? It's marketed as a "Sword & Soul" RPG, but I don't know anything about it otherwise.

https://www.mvmediaatl.com/product-page/ki-khanga-sword-and-soul-role-playing-game-basic-rules

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2022, 06:01:35 AM »
A quick search turned this up: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/116013/is-my-copy-of-ki-khanga-a-misprint. There are no reviews on DriveThru for the Basic Game, and the sample provided only includes a few pages of the rules (the standard card deck rules referenced in the first link).

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2022, 12:33:08 PM »
A quick search turned this up: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/116013/is-my-copy-of-ki-khanga-a-misprint. There are no reviews on DriveThru for the Basic Game, and the sample provided only includes a few pages of the rules (the standard card deck rules referenced in the first link).

Thanks. Typos and missing references don't sound great, though those aren't judging the design quality of the game.

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Re: Towards a more inclusive Sword & Sorcery
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2022, 01:06:45 PM »
A quick search turned this up: https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/116013/is-my-copy-of-ki-khanga-a-misprint. There are no reviews on DriveThru for the Basic Game, and the sample provided only includes a few pages of the rules (the standard card deck rules referenced in the first link).

Thanks. Typos and missing references don't sound great, though those aren't judging the design quality of the game.
Agree; what can be gleaned from the Basic Game preview on DriveThru looks like a FUDGE/FATE-like quality scale (Below Average, Average, etc.), with attributes combining to determine "fighting capability", etc. But there's nothing in the preview which indicates how the cards determine success or failure in task resolution.