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Author Topic: Thousand Year Old Wokepire  (Read 10155 times)

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2021, 12:45:12 AM »
fuck them kids, you can always make more, it's their one good quality.

Yeah you are not "Anti Evolution" are you?  Fuck those science deniers.

Evolution is for people who can't grow their own wings so hope by concentrating real hard they can live vicariously through their kids, it's the high school football dad of science.

Evolution is for people who cant grow their own wings.

See, still zero days that I have ignored something that you were correct about.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #61 on: April 24, 2021, 12:59:14 AM »

Yeah, any chimp from other tribe can just walk in and grab a female or attack her and the males wouldn't rise an eyebrow.

Stop drinking that koolaid.

That’s the protection you’re talking about? Many animals behave like that. Lions even.
So you do talk in very general terms then? Why did you protest my mentioning bears?? (Not social but territorial with females with territory)
So any animal where males guard a group of females from mating with other males is “gynocentric” in your book?

Bears are territorial, the female will chase the males away from her cubs.

Chimps are territorial, they will chase away other tribes of chimps from either sex. And will protect the females and children.

Bonobos are territorial and do cooperate in raising the children, have sex not only for procreation.

Like I said, stop drinking that koolaid, scientific facts carry no moral value.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #62 on: April 24, 2021, 02:59:59 AM »
fuck them kids, you can always make more, it's their one good quality.

Yeah you are not "Anti Evolution" are you?  Fuck those science deniers.

Evolution is for people who can't grow their own wings so hope by concentrating real hard they can live vicariously through their kids, it's the high school football dad of science.

Evolution is for people who cant grow their own wings.

See, still zero days that I have ignored something that you were correct about.

We really need to talk about how this relationship is going to work out if you keep using my own words that I said against me, this is rank hypocrisy
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #63 on: April 24, 2021, 06:48:29 AM »
Bears are territorial, the female will chase the males away from her cubs.

Chimps are territorial, they will chase away other tribes of chimps from either sex. And will protect the females and children.

Bonobos are territorial and do cooperate in raising the children, have sex not only for procreation.

Like I said, stop drinking that koolaid, scientific facts carry no moral value.

Yes, and your conclusion from all this is?
The problem is your definition of “gynocentric” which makes no sense. Apparently if women are in charge or if men are in charge or if people have monogamy or if the have polygyny, humans are all “gynocentric”. As a species apparently. BTW chimpanzee communities aren’t called tribes.

Stop your koolaid bullshit, I obviously know more about the science than you do. I teach this stuff at university.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2021, 09:52:20 PM »
Bears are territorial, the female will chase the males away from her cubs.

Chimps are territorial, they will chase away other tribes of chimps from either sex. And will protect the females and children.

Bonobos are territorial and do cooperate in raising the children, have sex not only for procreation.

Like I said, stop drinking that koolaid, scientific facts carry no moral value.

Yes, and your conclusion from all this is?
The problem is your definition of “gynocentric” which makes no sense. Apparently if women are in charge or if men are in charge or if people have monogamy or if the have polygyny, humans are all “gynocentric”. As a species apparently. BTW chimpanzee communities aren’t called tribes.

Stop your koolaid bullshit, I obviously know more about the science than you do. I teach this stuff at university.
Which is why you try to use bears to demonstrate humans aren't X, which is why if in an informal conversation I don't use the correct scientific name for chimp troop it proves I'm wrong on everything.

And that's also why if a concept isn't universal (in biology and sociology no less) then it doesn't exist...

Sure champ.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2021, 11:52:23 PM »
What the fuck are they even talking about here
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2021, 03:38:59 AM »
Bears are territorial, the female will chase the males away from her cubs.

Chimps are territorial, they will chase away other tribes of chimps from either sex. And will protect the females and children.

Bonobos are territorial and do cooperate in raising the children, have sex not only for procreation.

Like I said, stop drinking that koolaid, scientific facts carry no moral value.

Yes, and your conclusion from all this is?
The problem is your definition of “gynocentric” which makes no sense. Apparently if women are in charge or if men are in charge or if people have monogamy or if the have polygyny, humans are all “gynocentric”. As a species apparently. BTW chimpanzee communities aren’t called tribes.

Stop your koolaid bullshit, I obviously know more about the science than you do. I teach this stuff at university.

Yeah. I'm curious about what GeekyBugle would call a non-gynocentric species. How would one distinguish a non-gynocentric species from a gynocentric one?

Also, I don't get how these chimpanzee analogies give any insight into feminism in the 1980s RPG scene. It seems to me there are equal arguments that a gynocentric species would (a) like chainmail bikini pictures, or (b) dislike chainmail bikini pictures.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2021, 05:00:13 AM »
I agree that it sounds like a really bad business decision that the author wants to be selective about who can "buy" his product. However, we can imagine he is not interested in money, as if you go to the itch.io page (https://timhutchings.itch.io/tyov) you can get a copy for free, so there is no need to pay for it:

"Community Copy

These are copies for folks who cannot or choose not to purchase a PDF.  Please take one, no questions asked. 
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2021, 10:00:24 AM »

Yeah. I'm curious about what GeekyBugle would call a non-gynocentric species. How would one distinguish a non-gynocentric species from a gynocentric one?

Also, I don't get how these chimpanzee analogies give any insight into feminism in the 1980s RPG scene. It seems to me there are equal arguments that a gynocentric species would (a) like chainmail bikini pictures, or (b) dislike chainmail bikini pictures.

Yep, and another sure sign of a gynocentric group is that in matters of honor they will either a) protect the females, or b) kill the females.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2021, 09:53:35 PM »
I agree that it sounds like a really bad business decision that the author wants to be selective about who can "buy" his product. However, we can imagine he is not interested in money, as if you go to the itch.io page (https://timhutchings.itch.io/tyov) you can get a copy for free, so there is no need to pay for it:

"Community Copy

These are copies for folks who cannot or choose not to purchase a PDF.  Please take one, no questions asked. 
4433 remaining"

hahahaha no shit? good find dude, wonder what the starting number was. Author's probably pulling in the SUSD money however much that's worth i guess.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #70 on: April 26, 2021, 05:52:42 AM »
I think this is a good case for dissasociating an author from his work. I hear good things bout the rpg, havent read it, will not read it, not my thing currently. As far as beeing unpleseant goes, this guy seems just a cynical/honest cretin who dosent understand why product is supposed to be sold and generate money. This can be overlooked, there are more severe cases out there. The people who read his statement and realise its offensive meaning will not buy his product. The ones who buy it because they think he is right and its ''for them'' are welcome to it. Voting with ones wallet applies here quite well imho.

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« Reply #71 on: April 26, 2021, 11:58:46 AM »
Fair stance man. You want another example, Kreider's put out a sample of their graphic design for their next project and it has a big NO TERFS ALLOWED page, basically the same deal, with the same response your describing Warder.

But like in a world without that warning how many people here are gonna buy a bucolic game about queer found family anyway you know
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #72 on: April 26, 2021, 12:04:47 PM »
Fair stance man. You want another example, Kreider's put out a sample of their graphic design for their next project and it has a big NO TERFS ALLOWED page, basically the same deal, with the same response your describing Warder.

But like in a world without that warning how many people here are gonna buy a bucolic game about queer found family anyway you know

Right, that particular game sounds a bit niche and the theme of it would probably only draw people who would already be on the same political page as the author(s). In fact, I doubt anyone would even *make* such a game without having a firm sociopolitical agenda behind its creation.

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« Reply #73 on: April 27, 2021, 08:08:20 PM »
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If you are a supporter of the near or far right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. I don't want bad people playing my games–and that includes folks who are willing to look the other way while braver bigots perform their hateful work.

Yes this means members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, but it also specifically includes Trump supporters and those Republicans who voted for Trump. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun almost universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo.

I'm almost tempted to buy it and post a youtube video of a bunch of us playing it while wearing MAGA hats and the most "left offending" T-shirts I can find.
Then send the author a link to it.   

Or not.
Someone is welcome to steal this idea. ;-P



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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #74 on: April 27, 2021, 10:53:21 PM »
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If you are a supporter of the near or far right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. I don't want bad people playing my games–and that includes folks who are willing to look the other way while braver bigots perform their hateful work.

Yes this means members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, but it also specifically includes Trump supporters and those Republicans who voted for Trump. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun almost universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo.

I'm almost tempted to buy it and post a youtube video of a bunch of us playing it while wearing MAGA hats and the most "left offending" T-shirts I can find.
Then send the author a link to it.   

Or not.
Someone is welcome to steal this idea. ;-P

I would say do it, but then you have to spend money on buying his book.  Do you want to do that, or spend money on people who would be appreciated to have your money?