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Author Topic: Thousand Year Old Wokepire  (Read 1641 times)

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Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« on: April 17, 2021, 07:50:30 AM »
Let me start off by saying that I did some searching but couldn't find any references to this.

I had recently seen the game Thousand Year Old Vampire popping up in a few of the solo rpg channels I follow on youtube.  I went and checked it out on drivethrurpg, but saw that a better print option may be available elsewhere.  So I went and found the game's homepage and was immediately presented with this at the top:

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If you are a supporter of the near or far right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. I don't want bad people playing my games–and that includes folks who are willing to look the other way while braver bigots perform their hateful work.

Yes this means members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, but it also specifically includes Trump supporters and those Republicans who voted for Trump. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun almost universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo.

Aside from some obvious virtue signaling, which certainly isn't uncommon, this rather floored me. Who tells people not to buy their product?!  Is this more common than I realize? 

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2021, 03:25:09 PM »
Note: I realize this thread is still awaiting approval, but I keep thinking about it and wanted to share some more thoughts on it.

For one thing, I find it to be a terrible business decision to tell nearly half of America that you don't want their money.

Also, I think there is some serious irony here. The game, from what I gathered from seeing some actual play, is about you taking on the role of a person who becomes a vampire, against their will, and slowly/quickly becoming evil. I daresay it's almost about empathizing with an "evil" creature. I'm sure one can't help but understand some of the choices that are made since you're them in the story. The irony is, you could envision a version of this game where you could play as any other "evil" person...say perhaps a Trump supporter (since they are specifically called out on the website's rant), and roleplay successive decisions leading you down the path of what you consider folly. Or, perhaps closer to the original theme of the game, you could roleplay as a cut-throat salesperson, stepping on "little" people as you climb the ladder to CEO of a mega corporation. I guess I find it bizarre that the author of a game that, at least to me, is partly about trying to understand something you consider evil, would make a sweeping declaration that they don't want anything to do with someone who thinks differently than them.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2021, 04:41:47 PM »
Lots of people this isn't even the most high profile. Some assholes are still so clenched over Fred Hicks telling chuds not to buy Fate of Cthulhu engineers are studying them for adhesive properties.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2021, 04:46:30 PM »
Lots of people this isn't even the most high profile. Some assholes are still so clenched over Fred Hicks telling chuds not to buy Fate of Cthulhu engineers are studying them for adhesive properties.

I had to go look up "chud". 

I guess it's just that this example seemed extreme given the theme of the game itself.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2021, 05:08:56 PM »
Lots of people this isn't even the most high profile. Some assholes are still so clenched over Fred Hicks telling chuds not to buy Fate of Cthulhu engineers are studying them for adhesive properties.

I had to go look up "chud". 

I guess it's just that this example seemed extreme given the theme of the game itself.

Nah it's a safe tactic, telling people who won't buy your game anyway not to buy your game. They get butthurt and continue to not by the game and people who don't like em are impressed by your brave stance and buy the game. Real easy choir preaching for cash.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2021, 05:11:54 PM »
Lots of people this isn't even the most high profile. Some assholes are still so clenched over Fred Hicks telling chuds not to buy Fate of Cthulhu engineers are studying them for adhesive properties.

I had to go look up "chud". 

I guess it's just that this example seemed extreme given the theme of the game itself.

Nah it's a safe tactic, telling people who won't buy your game anyway not to buy your game. They get butthurt and continue to not by the game and people who don't like em are impressed by your brave stance and buy the game. Real easy choir preaching for cash.

Well, I don't meet the author's checklist of evil, but as soon as I saw his stance he lost my sale.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2021, 05:15:30 PM »
Lots of people this isn't even the most high profile. Some assholes are still so clenched over Fred Hicks telling chuds not to buy Fate of Cthulhu engineers are studying them for adhesive properties.

I had to go look up "chud". 

I guess it's just that this example seemed extreme given the theme of the game itself.

Nah it's a safe tactic, telling people who won't buy your game anyway not to buy your game. They get butthurt and continue to not by the game and people who don't like em are impressed by your brave stance and buy the game. Real easy choir preaching for cash.

Well, I don't meet the author's checklist of evil, but as soon as I saw his stance he lost my sale.

Better write him to tell him and hope he didn't get two more from having the checklist I guess.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2021, 09:19:08 PM »
Saw that “request” a month or two back. Decided that I don’t want to hurt his feelings, so if I really need a copy I’ll obtain one in a fashion that will not cause his wallet to cry out in distress.

Because I’m a hell of a nice guy like that.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2021, 09:45:14 PM »
I mean it's a journaling game. I am not butthurt about a person putting his politics up front and I still don't want it because I can just, idk, write shit? Without prompts.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2021, 10:25:17 PM »
What a fucking cunt.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 10:57:24 PM »

Looked up Tim Hutchings

He calls himself a Professor, but he is an Instructor in Game Design from Portland, OR. Imagine my shock.

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 11:02:24 PM »
One more thing: "If you are a supporter of the near or far right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. I don't want bad people playing my games–and that includes folks who are willing to look the other way while braver bigots perform their hateful work.

Yes this means members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, but it also specifically includes Trump supporters and those Republicans who voted for Trump. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun almost universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo."


My wife and I are immigrants in USA. The more I read stuff like the above, the more sympathy I feel for the rednecks, cowboys, hillbillies, and general so-called "white trash" of America. They are usually much better people than this guy.

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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2021, 01:58:55 AM »
So the "near" right, is that just left of the old center? Or is that just right of the new center?  The guy is off his rocker.

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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2021, 12:24:36 PM »
The idea that someone you despise could like something that you do (or create) infuriates these wokescolds. It suggests that they might have something in common with someone they despsie.
And we can't have that.
I'm fairly certain these cretins would try to stop breathing if someone pointed out that Trump voters breathe.
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2021, 02:03:47 PM »
The idea that someone you despise could like something that you do (or create) infuriates these wokescolds. It suggests that they might have something in common with someone they despsie.
And we can't have that.

I am once again asking how many people here would seriously have bought this journaling game or The Watch or Thirsty Sword Lesbians if not for the note saying Nazis fuck off in each. Shit sells better for their demo. So what if you don't like it?
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