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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2021, 03:11:19 PM »
The idea that someone you despise could like something that you do (or create) infuriates these wokescolds. It suggests that they might have something in common with someone they despsie.
And we can't have that.

I am once again asking how many people here would seriously have bought this journaling game or The Watch or Thirsty Sword Lesbians if not for the note saying Nazis fuck off in each. Shit sells better for their demo. So what if you don't like it?

I talk about lots of shit I don't like, and no one is forcing you to read these kinds of threads.
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Re: Thousand Year Old Wokepire
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2021, 03:22:09 PM »
Sure, I jerk off my tastes and rip on everybody else's all the time, but I'm not gonna delude myself into thinking it's some kinda moral stance against The Wokescold Menace. Just drop the pretense and enjoy being a dick for its own sake.
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2021, 04:04:36 PM »
Sure, I jerk off my tastes and rip on everybody else's all the time, but I'm not gonna delude myself into thinking it's some kinda moral stance against The Wokescold Menace. Just drop the pretense and enjoy being a dick for its own sake.

It's more a practical issue than a moral one for me. I dislike the wokescolds intrusion into the hobby, and encourage those who dislike it to be vocal as well. If they can bitch about their activist topics in RPGs, then we can bitch about their horrible takes, and may the loudest bitchers win.

Plus, I don't try to be a dick about it, unless the person I'm conversing with starts being a dick.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2021, 05:32:23 PM »
Plus, I don't try to be a dick about it, unless the person I'm conversing with starts being a dick.
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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2021, 10:14:37 PM »
Sure, I jerk off my tastes and rip on everybody else's all the time, but I'm not gonna delude myself into thinking it's some kinda moral stance against The Wokescold Menace. Just drop the pretense and enjoy being a dick for its own sake.

It's more a practical issue than a moral one for me. I dislike the wokescolds intrusion into the hobby, and encourage those who dislike it to be vocal as well. If they can bitch about their activist topics in RPGs, then we can bitch about their horrible takes, and may the loudest bitchers win.

Idk how that's gonna happen when both bitchers have self-segregated into their little online fiefdoms but w/e, if it's practical for you then it's practical.

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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2021, 04:43:12 AM »
Nah it's a safe tactic, telling people who won't buy your game anyway not to buy your game. They get butthurt and continue to not by the game and people who don't like em are impressed by your brave stance and buy the game. Real easy choir preaching for cash.
Correct. Nobody who wasn't already deep in the storygame / woke twitter community would buy this game anyway. The people he despises will not even see his creation unless pointed to it, since they move in different circles.

Now yes, the woke left's tendency to write off (roughly) half of the US as irredeemably evil and worthy only of punishment is an alarming trend, and one which shall eventually have terrible consequences. This disclaimer is just sad, and speaks more about the author than his targets.

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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2021, 11:02:23 AM »
Nah it's a safe tactic, telling people who won't buy your game anyway not to buy your game. They get butthurt and continue to not by the game and people who don't like em are impressed by your brave stance and buy the game. Real easy choir preaching for cash.
Correct. Nobody who wasn't already deep in the storygame / woke twitter community would buy this game anyway. The people he despises will not even see his creation unless pointed to it, since they move in different circles.

Now yes, the woke left's tendency to write off (roughly) half of the US as irredeemably evil and worthy only of punishment is an alarming trend, and one which shall eventually have terrible consequences. This disclaimer is just sad, and speaks more about the author than his targets.

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If the US is at all like Canada it is rapidly going past more than half hating the wokescolds.  Irredeemable "liberals" up here are starting to get angry at these people (scare quotes to indicate socialist democrats not actual Liberals who believe in Liberalism).

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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2021, 11:18:09 AM »
Correct. Nobody who wasn't already deep in the storygame / woke twitter community would buy this game anyway. The people he despises will not even see his creation unless pointed to it, since they move in different circles.

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2021, 11:30:22 AM »
Correct. Nobody who wasn't already deep in the storygame / woke twitter community would buy this game anyway. The people he despises will not even see his creation unless pointed to it, since they move in different circles.

It's disheartening to see this false dichotomy. 

I feel the need to reiterate that *I was going to purchase this product until I accidentally saw their rant*.  It's possible, and probably more common than people realize, that someone can be interested in both osr or crunchy games and games that involve something like thought experiments or writing.  I don't feel the need to put myself in one camp or the other, nor should anyone else.  I haven't even *looked* at twitter in several years, only recently looking at it again this past year just so I wouldn't miss out on any of the hilarious Trump tweets (love or hate him, you can't deny some of his tweets were hilarious for one reason or another). Now that he's off it, I don't bother going there as most of it is worthless to me. 

I don't see why it's so hard for people to allow others to enjoy whatever type of gaming they want.  Now, when people try to have a product taken down or censored, or even worse, to create legislation that will do it for them, then that's something to fight against if you can.

p.s. as far as the rivalry between the storytelling and dm-is-god camps, that's something that has been ongoing since the inception of d&d.  It's an interesting topic and I recommend reading The Elusive Shift by Jon Peterson.

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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2021, 11:39:50 AM »
Correct. Nobody who wasn't already deep in the storygame / woke twitter community would buy this game anyway. The people he despises will not even see his creation unless pointed to it, since they move in different circles.

It's disheartening to see this false dichotomy. 

I feel the need to reiterate that *I was going to purchase this product until I accidentally saw their rant*.  It's possible, and probably more common than people realize, that someone can be interested in both osr or crunchy games and games that involve something like thought experiments or writing.  I don't feel the need to put myself in one camp or the other, nor should anyone else.  I haven't even *looked* at twitter in several years, only recently looking at it again this past year just so I wouldn't miss out on any of the hilarious Trump tweets (love or hate him, you can't deny some of his tweets were hilarious for one reason or another). Now that he's off it, I don't bother going there as most of it is worthless to me. 

I don't see why it's so hard for people to allow others to enjoy whatever type of gaming they want.  Now, when people try to have a product taken down or censored, or even worse, to create legislation that will do it for them, then that's something to fight against if you can.

Idk man I'm not into journaling games at all (like I said I can just write shit if I wanna) and my issue is that this and other "No Nazis allow" slogans are written like shit. I mean look at this fucking thing:

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If you are a supporter of the near or far right I am going to ask that you not buy my games. I don't want your money, but more importantly I don't want you to feel comfortable enjoying things produced by the people and systems you want to destroy. I don't want bad people playing my games–and that includes folks who are willing to look the other way while braver bigots perform their hateful work.

Yes this means members of cartoonishly evil hate groups, but it also specifically includes Trump supporters and those Republicans who voted for Trump. You are lobbying for the death of my friends and relations, you are pushing for dangerous authoritarians to destroy the systems that let books like mine come to be. And this goes for equivalent groups outside the US–you know who you are.

People who make art and beauty and fun almost universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that. You aren't welcome here, you don't get to play with my things. Shoo

written like somebody who watched too much West Wing thinking this is an epic beatdown or a clapback or whatever the fuck.

Look at the distinction between "universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that" and all he can follow up with at the end is "shoo." Shoo. That shit is so twee it'd get a thirty-post gif thread on Superwholock Tumblr. That's the strongest thing he can come up with? Even a "fuck off" would be better.

It's so fuckin sincere that it gives up all style. What a goddamn waste.

But apart from all that yeah I'm pretty sure you're in a real minority re: People who woulda bought this game but for a bland no-nazis sign.

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Sounds neat I'll check it out.
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« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2021, 11:56:57 AM »
Idk man I'm not into journaling games at all (like I said I can just write shit if I wanna) and my issue is that this and other "No Nazis allow" slogans are written like shit. I mean look at this fucking thing:

written like somebody who watched too much West Wing thinking this is an epic beatdown or a clapback or whatever the fuck.

Look at the distinction between "universally revile you and it's time you started to feel that" and all he can follow up with at the end is "shoo." Shoo. That shit is so twee it'd get a thirty-post gif thread on Superwholock Tumblr. That's the strongest thing he can come up with? Even a "fuck off" would be better.

It's so fuckin sincere that it gives up all style. What a goddamn waste.

But apart from all that yeah I'm pretty sure you're in a real minority re: People who woulda bought this game but for a bland no-nazis sign.

Yeah, I mean the message unsettled me enough that I started searching to see if anyone was discussing it before posting here.  I didn't post it to start a flame war or anything, I just needed to talk about it with people who wouldn't ban me or blacklist me just for having an issue with the intent of that message.  Even here, where I knew I would *probably* be able to start a thread on it (took quite a while to get approved, not sure if that's normal here or if it was just because I'm a newb), I wondered if it was worth it because I wasn't sure if I'd be able to have some actual discourse without it devolving into rage, or just being outright sneered at for having considered purchasing the game.

I do understand the anger. I even understand the woke crowd fluffing themselves up and going on outrage-safaris, looking for anything they can find that will let them be a "hero" for a moment and make them feel like they're making a difference.  I think it's wrong and dangerous, but it's a deep cultural problem now.  I could go on as I've given it a lot of thought, but I'll stop there for now.

To continue the conversation though, since people here (yourself included) seemed to dismiss this author's particular rant as nothing special, I am very interested in how you find this stuff?  Is there a particular site you go to that keeps you up to date on all the latest woke news?  Is it just this forum?  Or do you have time to crawl the web and all the various blogs/twitter feeds/etc?  If there is a site that has it all in one place, does it just make your mood generally miserable?

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2021, 12:16:19 PM »
Idk about other people but I pick this shit up through twitter osmosis. See who's mad about what on any given day and do some sleuthing to work back to the source of the anger. Then I go to swipe a pdf of the thing as needed on certain locations of record which i cannot and must not recall here and check out the text if I need to.

I made a goof about needing RPG.net in another thread bc how else would we know when all the sex crimes in the industry happen, but tbr I haven't used that placed for that in years, social media's quicker on the draw.

My mood was already miserable so that's not an issue, I wanna see the industry as it stands die and take glee in watching it happen. Sad!
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« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2021, 12:25:26 PM »
Idk about other people but I pick this shit up through twitter osmosis. See who's mad about what on any given day and do some sleuthing to work back to the source of the anger. Then I go to swipe a pdf of the thing as needed on certain locations of record which i cannot and must not recall here and check out the text if I need to.

I made a goof about needing RPG.net in another thread bc how else would we know when all the sex crimes in the industry happen, but tbr I haven't used that placed for that in years, social media's quicker on the draw.

My mood was already miserable so that's not an issue, I wanna see the industry as it stands die and take glee in watching it happen. Sad!

Yeah, I have briefly checked out that other forum lately.  I remembered going there years ago, and I don't recall it being anywhere near as bad as it is now.  But when I've gone there in the past few weeks/months, just seeing the little popups or pinned messages at the top is enough to keep me from really going into anything deeply.  I think the last time I went there was just to see their huge ban thread and to be amazed at the contents. Even their fans must walk on eggshells, always wondering when their neck will be next on the chopping block.

And I agree, I can't wait for them to devour themselves.

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2021, 06:49:31 PM »
Aside from some obvious virtue signaling, which certainly isn't uncommon, this rather floored me. Who tells people not to buy their product?!  Is this more common than I realize?

Maybe the 2nd Edition will be pretending to be a 1000 year old Racist.
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2021, 06:59:39 PM »
Aside from some obvious virtue signaling, which certainly isn't uncommon, this rather floored me. Who tells people not to buy their product?!  Is this more common than I realize?

Maybe the 2nd Edition will be pretending to be a 1000 year old Racist.

Hey what if you licensed the 2000 Year-Old Man from Mel Brooks and made a spinoff.
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