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Marleycat:
I know this thread doesn't allow regular posts. But thank you Pundit for a thread to store and collate the bullshit hate.

Zak S:
Shawn Struck
@shawnstruck
https://twitter.com/shawnstruck

shawn struck ‏@shawnstruck  11m
@ZakSmithSabbath is tweeting me with posts defending D&D harassers. Like, who am I gonna believe, him or my own two eyes, right?

 ɥʇıɯS ʞɐZ ‏@ZakSmithSabbath  10m
@shawnstruck Are you claiming online and in public that you witnessed a person get harassed by one of the D&D consultants, Shawn?

 shawn struck ‏@shawnstruck  7m
@ZakSmithSabbath I can use my two eyes to read things that RPGPundit and Zak S have done and said, so ??? idk how I can make it plainer.

 ɥʇıɯS ʞɐZ ‏@ZakSmithSabbath  6m
@shawnstruck So give us a quote where I am ableist, racist sexist, homophobic or transphobic.

shawn struck
‏@shawnstruck
@ZakSmithSabbath Why did you type the word "fart" 14 times just now?
 

https://twitter.com/shawnstruck/status/496836489519828993

Novastar:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?732895-5ed-consultants-controversy


--- Quote from: Darren MacLennan ---You're accusing people of white knighting, which is, like, smack-dab up against the derailing guidelines in the rules - but calling out another poster and declaring that he makes it a "toxic atmosphere" is straight up a personal attack.

So that's a week.

 -Darren MacLennan
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--- Quote from: Darren MacLennan ---
--- Quote from: Bloodwolf ---I'm pretty sure calling someone certifiably insane is a PA, and RPGPundit is a game designer, a protected class around here (unless there's some sort of special treatment here because he's banned, but that just makes attacking him weak as fuck).
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First off, if you think something's an attack, you report it; you don't engage in backseat moderation and tell somebody what "should" be happening. Second, that's not a personal attack; it's an attack on the idea that storygames and social justice are conspiracies, which is permitted. Third, Pundit is still protected under rpg.net's rules. You can't attack him. But you can attack his ideas.
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--- Quote from: JustJo ---
--- Quote from: tchnoextreme ---Zak literally calls anyone he disagrees with autistic.
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--- Quote from: kelvingreen ---Anyone? Literally? Really? I disagreed with him a couple of times. He didn't call me autistic.
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--- Quote from: Reverend mort ---I have literally disagreed with Zak several times. he has literally never called me autistic.

That said, if you've seen him call someone autistic, I'd love a link?
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--- Quote from: Ahnirades ---I've also disagreed with Zak and not been called autistic.

Please cite.
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Let's go with 'not literally' and drop this tangent please.
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--- Quote from: technoextreme ---All right. Lets talk about his professional association with someone who on this very forum admitted to liking movies that involves actual animal mutilation and in one instance baby rape. This one isn't even wild as I had that conversation in this very subforum.
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--- Quote from: Gametime ---What sort of proof of harassment do you imagine would satisfy people who do not currently believe it occurred? What reason do you have for thinking it would convince anyone, as opposed to simply shifting the focus to "well, there's no proof Zak was responsible?"

You don't have to believe any harassment occurred to realize asking people to provide proof would almost certainly be futile regardless.
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Novastar:
Sorry, but I think this is kind of necessary: feel free to ask me to add to it (I realize I'm missing large chunks)!


--- Quote from: Ben Lehman --- This was originally a private letter, I've been asked by Indie+ to make a public statement and I can't do much better than this. It's been edited from the original form.

Dear Indie+
I like you. I have enjoyed my time with you, which is why I am writing this to you. Because I am seriously upset.

Are you seriously billing James D as a "free speech advocate?" Someone who threatens their critics with rape is not a free speech advocate, they're just a regular old misogynist. I realize that misogyny is so common in TRPGs that it seems like water off a duck's back but seriously?

I don't object to you interviewing any person (although maybe if you wanted to talk about free speech you could interview the woman he harassed? just throwing that out there), but I strongly object to framings which paint harassers as free speech advocates. Harassment is the opposite of free speech.

What your lionized billing says to me, as a rape survivor, is "We don't give a fuck."

As an alternative billing can I suggest "known for threatening his critics with sexual violence and for his trivializing use of rape for cheap thrills?"

Comments are off because I don't care for comments on this.
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--- Quote from: Zak S ---So +John Stavropoulos finally finished his exhaustive, 10 months-long, unbelievably Lawful Good research into whether 80 RPG freelancers and commenters (many of them his friends) actually are taking what they say about rape online seriously.
 Basically: months ago, Ben Lehman (author of tedious RPG products) claimed James Desborough (author of different tedious RPG products) was "Someone who threatens their critics with rape"
 Now I hope I don't get an argument when I say this isn't something you just casually toss out there .
 Right?
 Even if it was an honest mistake--you really really check first before saying someone did something that shitty in a public place.
 Right?
 Like: this is an ethical standard you hold yourself to
 The short of Jon's research is this accusation turned out to be bullshit even though 80some people +1ed it and it got shared all over the RPG internet.
 Now Jon didn't name names, because he "doesn't want a witchhunt". Which is respectable. But I'm not Jon and I do think the RPG community as a whole deserves an apology from every single one of these people for confusing and distorting a very real and very serious issue of real violence that actually affects peoples' lives.
 I also think the RPG community deserves to know who they cannot trust in conversations about ethics. Anyone on the list below who hasn't apologized has the opportunity to do that now.
 Or at the very least Un-Plus One Ben Lehman's totally irresponsible public bullshit.
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--- Quote from: Paul Ettin ---If you +1'd this five-month-old post, some dude is probably trying to intimidate you into removing it right now. If you didn't, you should for solidarity. Also, giggles!
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--- Quote from: Ben Lehman ---This is not the post you're looking for.

Several months ago, I posted a private letter here publicly, at the urging of the person I wrote it to. This was a mistake.

Apparently some people have been using the letter I wrote as a justification for harassing other people, in particular sending other people death and rape threats. This is completely unacceptable.

To anyone who has received harassment based on what I wrote (here, or elsewhere): I wholly, unreservedly, and to the best of my capacity apologize.

To anyone who is using any of my writing as a justification to send death threats, rape threats, or other harassment, please do the following three things, in order:

First, stop.
Second, think about what you have done / wanted to do until you realize that it is wrong.
Third, apologize to anyone you have hurt.
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Zak S:
Shannon Appelcline,
https://twitter.com/Appelcline
co-owner, with Christopher Allen ( https://twitter.com/ChristopherA ) of RPGnet

Emails:

On 6/16/13 6:08 PM, zak smith wrote:
Hello,…(introduce myself)…Anyway: I think there are some serious problems with the forum moderation at RPGnet. These aren't just problems that affect me, they're the kinds of things that contribute to keeping a lot of RPG fans and professionals (including the most well-known ones) from spending much time there. (I've talked about it with them).

I think these problems are getting worse.

I have tried many times to go through proper channels and talk to the admins about this. The responses have ranged from silence, to answers that pointedly avoid answering any direct questions I've asked to, basically, insinuating or saying that asking the question in itself is a provocation and will get me moderated more harshly in the future.

I don't want to bother you with the details if you don't care--that is, if RPGnet  and its moderation is not a big deal to you or if you'd just as soon let it run itself without interfering. If, however this does concern you, please email me back and I will talk about the specifics.

Sincerely,
Zak Smith

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:08:39 -0700
From: Shannon Appelcline
To: Zak Smith
Subject: Re: Hi, This is about RPGnet

(now Shannon owns the copyright to this email not me, but Shannon's response is I should talk to the admins not him.)
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On 6/17/13 11:45 AM, zak smith wrote:

I did consult the admins. Many times ( I said that in my email) they were unresponsive and suggested if I had a problem with their unresponsiveness that I contact you.

Do you see the problem there?

-zak
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:55:22 -0700
From: Shannon Appelcline
To: Zak Smith
Subject: Re: Hi, This is about RPGnet

(Shannon responds that this is fair enough, then Shannon says that Shannon visits the forums frequently and thinks the moderation is fine.)
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On 6/17/13 12:00 PM, zak smith wrote:
I know you said this is your final word, but this is an important detail:

Do you have any familiarity with the specific issues you suspect I'm going
to talk about or is your "terrific job" assessment a general thing?

Because if the former, ok, I get it: you don't care.

If the latter: maybe individual users noticed things you haven't?

-z
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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:55:22 -0700
From: Shannon Appelcline
To: Zak Smith
Subject: Re: Hi, This is about RPGnet

(Shannon says Shannon knows all about the "problems" I've "caused" at RPGnet. Says any further discussion of the topic will get me banned at RPGnet.)

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Note: Since this is not a precise cut-and-paste job, if Shannon Appelcline would like to contest the content of any part of this exchange, Shannon Appelcline is welcome to do so.

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