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Author Topic: These FIVE men control your freedom  (Read 4193 times)

moonsweeper

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Re: These FIVE men control your freedom
« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2021, 06:38:15 PM »
SHARK - after being so ardently vocal about how horrible Marxists are, now you're crying that private resources have to be given away for free, and taken over by the government if they aren't given away free.

What you're talking about here is exactly Marxism -- nationalizing private resources in the name of the people.

The Internet is *not* free. The Internet costs *money*. Facebook and Twitter pay tons of money to buy Internet servers and develop the technology for their service. In a capitalist system, this means that they control what they paid for. They don't have to let you use their servers.

Jhkim, perhaps you misunderstand what I meant by *FREE*--or maybe I was not specific enough. I'm not talking about people or corporations capacity to sell, make lawful profits, and such. I'm talking about ideology, behavior, speech. People should be free to write and speak and not be censored, supervised, fucking "fact checked" by nanny-state, Marxist jackasses like all of the blue check-marked employees and "monitors" at Twitter, Facebook, and so on.

But Internet servers are private property, not public. If I try to put something onto *my* server, I can say whatever I like - just like how I can put a sign on my own lawn. However, if I put something onto a *Facebook* server, though, then they don't have to obey me. They can decide they don't want to host my signs.

What you're claiming is that Facebook's servers should be *FREE* -- a public service rather than a private one. You're arguing that Facebook shouldn't be allowed to control what gets put on their own servers.

It's like going to a house party, and the host kicks you out because he doesn't like you. The host owns the property - they aren't required to let you into their party.

Just like a wedding cake shop, right...
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Re: These FIVE men control your freedom
« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2021, 06:45:37 PM »
LOL @ the Veritas(tm) video!  They even added the ominous heartbeat. I wonder how it'd sound with a canned laughter track...ROFL!

One of the only legitimate press left and the Beaner comment is that they added a sound track.

Nothing to see folks. It's just a dead brain. Move on.

Bean on, good Beaner.

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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2021, 06:49:45 PM »
You can sum up people wanting to force private companies to accept their membership like this: "Free market for me, not for thee"

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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2021, 06:52:22 PM »
You can sum up people wanting to force private companies to accept their membership like this: "Free market for me, not for thee"

Can't speak for others, but I am not a free market absolutist. I think some regulation is necessary. And I also recognize that putting the government in charge of that regulation often just adds another layer of monopoly.
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Re: These FIVE men control your freedom
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2021, 06:54:11 PM »
I have no issues with publishers exercising editorial power.

In other news, Google is now going after minds.com

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Re: These FIVE men control your freedom
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2021, 07:47:37 PM »

For anyone without a dictionary, that's Asshat speak for Latino.

OK, Beaner.



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« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2021, 07:51:31 PM »
You can sum up people wanting to force private companies to accept their membership like this: "Free market for me, not for thee"

Trump was forced by the Supreme Court to allow everyone to see his Tweets.

But Jack Beaner can decide to stop everyone from seeing Trumps tweets.

Thats real Beaner logic there.
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« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2021, 08:03:37 PM »
What is the TV telling you to do today?

I don't watch TV. What's QAnon telling you to believe today?



Ah, hello there, asshat. It's nice to finally see your stupid face.


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« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2021, 08:18:24 PM »
You can sum up people wanting to force private companies to accept their membership like this: "Free market for me, not for thee"

Trump was forced by the Supreme Court to allow everyone to see his Tweets.

But Jack Beaner can decide to stop everyone from seeing Trumps tweets.

Thats real Beaner logic there.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of a private company. Your spinner cap is interferring with your two neurons. 

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« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2021, 09:27:53 PM »
That’s the problem with 230 protections.  Social media companies are exercising all the editorial power of publishers while having all the legal protections of platforms.

I agree - that's what I said on the other thread on social media. However, if we simply repeal Section 230, then Facebook and Twitter will get *more* heavy with bans and blocking, because they can be sued for what is said on them.


But Internet servers are private property, not public. If I try to put something onto *my* server, I can say whatever I like - just like how I can put a sign on my own lawn. However, if I put something onto a *Facebook* server, though, then they don't have to obey me. They can decide they don't want to host my signs.

Just like a wedding cake shop, right...

Anti-discrimination laws are pitched as special-case exceptions to the general rules of capitalism. The problem is that there are two extremes:

(1) "Whites-only" movie theaters, "no Jews" signs, and other real cases from the first half of the 20th century

(2) "Modeling agencies discriminate against ugly people"; "fancy restaurants discriminate against rude people"; and so forth

Most people are fine with outlawing #1, but think that #2 is going too far. So there has to be some limited middle ground. The U.S. anti-discrimination laws are justified in the same way as other specific business regulations - like how gas stations have to conform to certain standards, and food has to pass FDA inspection, etc. They apply only to certain classes of businesses, and to certain categories of people.

I could imagine having "political party" be added as a protected category - especially if the ultra-partisanship of the country gets even worse. But if that were true, I expect I'd still be hated here for saying that it means that conservatives couldn't discriminate against liberals as well as vice-versa.

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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2021, 09:56:31 PM »
Nobody cares if progressive small businesses tell red voters their money isn’t welcome.  The feeling is probably mutual.  This isn’t John and Debbie RedVoter going down to the Antifa foodcart and demanding they cater the summer graduation party of their homeschooling pod.
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Re: These FIVE men control your freedom
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2021, 10:32:42 PM »
You can sum up people wanting to force private companies to accept their membership like this: "Free market for me, not for thee"

Trump was forced by the Supreme Court to allow everyone to see his Tweets.

But Jack Beaner can decide to stop everyone from seeing Trumps tweets.

Thats real Beaner logic there.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of a private company. Your spinner cap is interferring with your two neurons.

Actually, there is a reasonable legal argument that based on the court ruling, Twitter is a public forum.

There is also the current rumblings by the Dems that internet access is a human right and that would be an issue with what Amazon did.
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« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2021, 10:50:02 PM »
Actually, there is a reasonable legal argument that based on the court ruling, Twitter is a public forum.

There is also the current rumblings by the Dems that internet access is a human right and that would be an issue with what Amazon did.

My understanding of the Trump ban ruling was that it was based on him using his Twitter channel to issue important information as the President of the United States.

It doesn't affect how Twitter is used in general by private citizens. At most, it could affect how other public officials use other private businesses for official communications.

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« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2021, 10:59:56 PM »
Actually, there is a reasonable legal argument that based on the court ruling, Twitter is a public forum.

There is also the current rumblings by the Dems that internet access is a human right and that would be an issue with what Amazon did.

My understanding of the Trump ban ruling was that it was based on him using his Twitter channel to issue important information as the President of the United States.

It doesn't affect how Twitter is used in general by private citizens. At most, it could affect how other public officials use other private businesses for official communications.

...and if I'm being denied access means that you are preventing me from receiving information from a public official.
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« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2021, 11:21:45 PM »
Ah, hello there, asshat. It's nice to finally see your stupid face.

Yep, Google images always has my face every time.

What a Beaner.

Actually, there is a reasonable legal argument that based on the court ruling, Twitter is a public forum.

There is also the current rumblings by the Dems that internet access is a human right and that would be an issue with what Amazon did.

My understanding of the Trump ban ruling was that it was based on him using his Twitter channel to issue important information as the President of the United States.

It doesn't affect how Twitter is used in general by private citizens. At most, it could affect how other public officials use other private businesses for official communications.

So then stopping the President of the United States from issuing important information like, for example, going home from the Capitol peacefully seems to be illegal.
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