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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 40105 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1590 on: March 04, 2021, 09:40:58 AM »
It's hard to even begin to address this nonsense because it's nonsense. We could try facts like the excess mortality rates but you don't deal with facts cos you're a mental.

I always like your NHS workers are lazy spiel cos that's possibly the most pathetic conspiracy theory of all time. I figure you're some sort of well paid IT guy who goldbricks the system to milk as much as he can out of it whilst doing as little as possible. You can't imagine that people may be passionate about they're jobs and not just leeches who don't want to work.

"Excess mortality" that isn't exceptional in the last 5 years, and even less so in the last 20. Equivalent to a bad flu year.

30-60% of NHS staff are "off sick", "isolating" or "shielding" from the reports given by trusts. Or taking the piss as it's commonly known. Encouraged by this ridiculous system whereby if you have the sniffles, you're supposed to be off for 10 days.

I don't milk the system, because I don't even fucking use it. I just have the privilege of paying for it.

Mibbe you should consider accessing the NHS. Mental health problems aren't the stigma they used to be.
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« Reply #1591 on: March 04, 2021, 10:29:13 AM »
Mibbe you should consider accessing the NHS. Mental health problems aren't the stigma they used to be.

I'm not the one happily engaged in an abusive relationship with the government.
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« Reply #1592 on: March 04, 2021, 10:38:20 AM »
Mibbe you should consider accessing the NHS. Mental health problems aren't the stigma they used to be.

I'm not the one happily engaged in an abusive relationship with the government.

No, you're the one who thinks there's a worldwide conspiracy out to get him.
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« Reply #1593 on: March 04, 2021, 11:02:40 AM »
Mibbe you should consider accessing the NHS. Mental health problems aren't the stigma they used to be.

I'm not the one happily engaged in an abusive relationship with the government.

No, you're the one who thinks there's a worldwide conspiracy out to get him.
What makes you think he's the only target?

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« Reply #1594 on: March 04, 2021, 11:11:11 AM »
Mibbe you should consider accessing the NHS. Mental health problems aren't the stigma they used to be.

I'm not the one happily engaged in an abusive relationship with the government.

No, you're the one who thinks there's a worldwide conspiracy out to get him.
What makes you think he's the only target?

Don't think of it as a grave. It's the future you chose.

They probably have a list.
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« Reply #1595 on: March 04, 2021, 01:53:42 PM »
Here's the excess mortality data that I see for 2020.


Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&region=World

What source is saying that excess mortality isn't exceptional?

I'm not talking about the US, I'm talking about the UK. With the exception of a spike in March/April last year, our pattern of deaths is normal.

Your original statement from Reply #1529 was:

People still buying into this incredible hoax? That last spring's nasty seasonal bug justified destroying the world economy and inflicting misery on millions of perfectly healthy people?

I don't see how restricting to the UK data only fits with this. Are you arguing that yes, covid-19 exists for the U.S. and has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, but it's a hoax that covid-19 could do the same in the UK? What about the rest of the world?

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« Reply #1596 on: March 04, 2021, 03:21:19 PM »
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Brad, third and last chance. Name one business which has gone under because of mask mandates.

We both know you cannot. Because it was a bullshit claim which you and others were trying to pretend meant "lockdowns" even though under no even vague definition of that phrase could it mean lockdowns. You DON'T wear masks when locked down because you're at home. Mask mandates are for when you're NOT LOCKED DOWN and just out in society at large. It's OK that you're a piece of shit liar who wanted to pretend black meant white, but now that you're called on it just calling me stupid while being unable to answer the simple question of "Who?" to your claim that businesses have gone under because of mask mandates doesn't make you look to bright there, porn boy.

Oh the irony...wtf does "porn boy" mean, exactly?

Remember when you chose a porn image as your avatar here?

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RE: mask mandates, I know of a bunch of places that NO LONGER ARE IN BUSINESS directly because of the mask requirements. You literally are trying to claim that requiring masks has zero effect on a business, when the reality is it indeed does.

No you fucking don't you liar. Because it was lockdowns which harmed businesses, not masks.

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If you want a specific example, there was a small feed store close by that was fined multiple times for refusing to enforce an unenforceable order and thus went out of business because they didn't have the means to go to court. There were cops handing out citations to people in a fucking parking lot at a place that rents tubes here for no masks and they had to eventually just shut down because people didn't want to be harassed anymore about it. A parking lot where the closest you'd be is maybe 20-30 feet from other people. I don't know if that guy is going to make it, honestly.

Links. Would love to see proof that it was the mask mandate and not something else which caused this. Bet you it was something else. Like the people working there refusing to wear masks, or the people working there putting up sign saying no masks allowed, or something inane like that.

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« Reply #1597 on: March 05, 2021, 06:45:42 AM »
I don't see how restricting to the UK data only fits with this. Are you arguing that yes, covid-19 exists for the U.S. and has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, but it's a hoax that covid-19 could do the same in the UK? What about the rest of the world?

I didn't say it doesn't exist, I said it was nothing more than last spring's seasonal bug. A nasty one, like the 2017/18 winter flu season was.

The hoax is the hysterical and draconian government response to it. And frankly all the data is suspect given the mysterious way everyone decided to change how they classify deaths to this nonsense measure of "within 28 days of a positive test". I note your CDC recently reclassified all of last year's deaths.
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« Reply #1598 on: March 05, 2021, 12:28:41 PM »
Here's the excess mortality data that I see for 2020.


Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&region=World

What source is saying that excess mortality isn't exceptional?
I don't see how restricting to the UK data only fits with this. Are you arguing that yes, covid-19 exists for the U.S. and has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, but it's a hoax that covid-19 could do the same in the UK? What about the rest of the world?

I didn't say it doesn't exist, I said it was nothing more than last spring's seasonal bug. A nasty one, like the 2017/18 winter flu season was.

The hoax is the hysterical and draconian government response to it. And frankly all the data is suspect given the mysterious way everyone decided to change how they classify deaths to this nonsense measure of "within 28 days of a positive test". I note your CDC recently reclassified all of last year's deaths.

The U.S. mortality graph above has nothing to do with classifying deaths as covid or not. That's just counting the total number of deaths by year. You can look at the grey lines below 2020 in red for prior years to see the effect of the nasty 2017/2018 winter flu season. There is a huge increase in total deaths in 2020, totally unlike the regular variation of previous years including seasonal flu.

From the source link I gave, you can look at the mortality graphs for dozens of smaller countries, where we can also see prominent spikes around when they encountered covid-19 outbreaks. And again, if this is a hoax, it means that governments, doctors, and researchers from all these dozens of countries are cooperating - from Israel to Italy to Spain to Brazil, despite radically different politics.