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These are not your Liberals

Started by RPGPundit, June 26, 2010, 01:31:51 AM

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RPGPundit

June 26, 2010, 01:31:51 AM
These Are NOT Your Liberals

For fucks' sake, people; and by "people" I mean you lefties in North America; quit mistaking third-world sleazeballs for fellow travelers purely on the fact that they auto-identify themselves as "leftist".

Take, for example, that wonderful human being Hugo Chavez. He has, for a long time, defended the Cuban state with all of their repression of human freedom and democracy; but at least there one could claim that he is making the same mistake all of you are making in supporting him (namely, thinking that because Castro is self-denominated "leftist" it means he believes what you believe and must be supported).  But what excuse is there for his most recent public endorsement, of Mahmoud Ahmedinajad? He has resounding supported the Iranian president, Supereme Leader, Guardian Council, and the entire Orwellian Theocracy of Iran.
Now hang on, aren't leftists supposed to be against theocracies? Don't Marxists think that priests are scum? Isn't religion the opiate of the masses? So what the fuck is going on? It couldn't be that Chavez doesn't give a fuck about socialism, and him and Ahmedinajad are buddies and business partners, both in commerce and in their rabid anti-americanism, can it?
THIS MAN DOES NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

Take also Ignacio "Lula" Da Silva. A much less extremist figure than Chavez, but also a darling of the middle-class first-world fashionable Left. He has just signed a bill in Brazil that allows for any number of atrocities. For starters, it allocates a chunk of the Amazon the size of France to farmers.  That's right, a piece of the Amazon the size of France is now being cut down thanks to this great leftist paragon.  The bill goes beyond that, its implications being that anyone can now illegally occupy any piece of property in Brazil and through that occupation make a claim over it, essentially legalizing squatting and denying the inalienable human right to legal property.
I know that normally that sort of thing doesn't really bother leftists, but consider what that means in Brazil.  Aside from massive unrest and class-based civil war; it could also mean that now ANYONE could go to the Amazon, lay claim to a chunk of it, burn it to the ground and turn it into a mercury mining operation or a cattle ranch, and they'd have a legal precedent to do so. This bill is an open invitation to devastate the Amazon Rainforest in Brazil.
So, again, THIS MAN DOES NOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

Get over the idea that someone wearing a "leftist" banner means that he's one of the good guys and the others are the "bad guys".  That's just not true, especially in the third world.

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#1
June 27, 2010, 12:39:15 PM
I don't know jack about the second guy you mentioned, but as to hugo, I'd heard, from some liberals, BTW, that he had the habit of putting anyone in his country who criticized him in prison for up to 4 years. I believe that was mentioned during Cindy Sheehan's tenure as the anti-war poster girl.

I do have to say one thing for chavez: I loved it when he did the bit about bush being the devil at the UN, making the remark that the devil had stood in the same spot he was currently standing in yesterday, crossed himself, made the prayer gesture and said he could still smell the sulfur.

Whatever flaws the man may have, he did a good zing on bush and I liked it.
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shalvayez

#2
June 27, 2010, 01:31:08 PM
As if U.S. or Canadian liberals have been the good guys to begin with?
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#3
June 27, 2010, 02:23:58 PM
Chavez got a good dig in on Bush? Oh, well trampling on the rights and freedoms of the citizens of his country, that's okay then. :rolleyes:

Bedrockbrendan

#4
June 27, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;390373Chavez got a good dig in on Bush? Oh, well trampling on the rights and freedoms of the citizens of his country, that's okay then. :rolleyes:

That's why we took out Saddam. He ran out of one-liners.

thecasualoblivion

#5
June 27, 2010, 04:23:35 PM
Liberals and communists aren't as successful as they'd like in destroying and rebuilding western civilization to their liking, so they cheer bozos like Hugo Chavez and silently root for the terrorists because they are free to exert the power they wish they had and because they are fighting the "good fight" against western capitalism that the liberals cannot.
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jeff37923

#6
June 27, 2010, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;390385Liberals and communists aren't as successful as they'd like in destroying and rebuilding western civilization to their liking, so they cheer bozos like Hugo Chavez and silently root for the terrorists because they are free to exert the power they wish they had and because they are fighting the "good fight" against western capitalism that the liberals cannot.

I dunno, Obama has been busy wrecking American capitalism pretty damn effectively.
"Meh."

thecasualoblivion

#7
June 27, 2010, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;390386I dunno, Obama has been busy wrecking American capitalism pretty damn effectively.

And in so doing dropping his approval ratings from the high sixties to the mid forties, caused independents to favor republicans by 60-40%, energized his opposition, and looking at a loss of his big majorities come November.
"Other RPGs tend to focus on other aspects of roleplaying, while D&D traditionally focuses on racially-based home invasion, murder and theft."--The Little Raven, RPGnet

"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Cylonophile

#8
June 27, 2010, 06:27:15 PM Last Edit: June 27, 2010, 06:36:09 PM by Cylonophile
Quote from: two_fishes;390373Chavez got a good dig in on Bush? Oh, well trampling on the rights and freedoms of the citizens of his country, that's okay then. :rolleyes:
Bullshit dipwad, that's not what I said at all.

 All I said was that chavez may be a douche but at least he zinged another douche pretty good, and I hate the douche he zinged worse that chavez because chavez hasn't fucked up my country regardless of what he does to his own.

Anyway, I tend to take a lot of what I hear about chavez with a grain of salt as some people in america *KOFF* foxnews *KOFF* conservatives *KOFF* tend to phrase anyone who disagrees with them in any way as being the ultimate in human evil.
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Cylonophile

#9
June 27, 2010, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: thecasualoblivion;390385Liberals and communists aren't as successful as they'd like in destroying and rebuilding western civilization to their liking, so they cheer bozos like Hugo Chavez and silently root for the terrorists because they are free to exert the power they wish they had and because they are fighting the "good fight" against western capitalism that the liberals cannot.


Well, I'm a "liberal" and I don't support communism (Do you eve know what the term actually means?) in any way nor do I want to see capitalism or western civilization destroyed, so I guess you're full of shit.
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Cylonophile

#10
June 27, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;390386I dunno, Obama has been busy wrecking American capitalism pretty damn effectively.


BULL-FUCKING-SHIT.

Since Reagan republicans have been doing their best to destroy the free market and capitalism by deregulating big business and destroying the laws that kept the market open and free to more than just a few big corporations.

Teddy Roosevelt really helped create the free market when he broke hte monopolies and opened things up to competition. FDR helped strengthen the free market by imposing regulations to prevent another great depression, and things worked pretty well from the late 30's to the mid 80's when reagan and the whole "Gubmint isn't the solution, gubmint is the problem" mindset, sponsored by corporate america, came into power. Since then we've had one economic crisis after another (Remember the S&L bailout, the direct result of reagan deregulating the S&Ls?) and we've seen the free market shrink as a few major players collude to drive the smaller competitors under and then monopolize things, a'la wal-mart and it's practice of undercutting competitors prices even at a loss until the competitor dies, then raising prices to cover the loss.

Also the divice between the rich and the middle class has grown geometrically, and while the rich are getting richer the middle class is shrinking and losing ground.

Republicans have gutted the free market by taking 0out the rules and laws that kept it free and open, and capitalism is being replaced by what can only be described as a plutocratic  kleptocracy.
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Benoist

#11
June 27, 2010, 06:40:31 PM
Oh boy. "Obama wrecks America" vs. "Reagan is Evil".

Can't wait to see the brilliance of the arguments and counter-arguments from then on.

two_fishes

#12
June 27, 2010, 06:54:08 PM
My point is that you're an ignorant dipshit. Chavez is well into the process of turning his administration into a tyranny and is pissing his country's once promising economy into the toilet, further impoverishing the people who got him into power in the first place, and the most salient detail you have on him is that he once got a rip on GWB? Yeah yuk, yuk.

thecasualoblivion

#13
June 27, 2010, 06:59:04 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;390409My point is that you're an ignorant dipshit. Chavez is well into the process of turning his administration into a tyranny and is pissing his country's once promising economy into the toilet, further impoverishing the people who got him into power in the first place, and the most salient detail you have on him is that he once got a rip on GWB? Yeah yuk, yuk.

Because hating Bush automatically makes you a good person, even if you're Hugo Chavez and have done what Hugo Chavez has done and is doing. Liberal philosophy in action.
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"We\'re not more violent than other countries. We just have more worthless people who need to die."

Werekoala

#14
June 27, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: two_fishes;390409My point is that you're an ignorant dipshit. Chavez is well into the process of turning his administration into a tyranny and is pissing his country's once promising economy into the toilet, further impoverishing the people who got him into power in the first place, and the most salient detail you have on him is that he once got a rip on GWB? Yeah yuk, yuk.

What do you expect? People like Cy didn't vote FOR Obama, they voted AGAINST Bush - who wasn't even running. Why do you think all we hear is that everything that goes wrong is stillBush's fault? Because Obama knows what his base voted for, and it wasn't him or his policies.
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