So a couple of things happened in the last couple of days, not connected to each other as such but that I found a connection to. The first is that I've been reposting some of my archived blog entries over on my Pundit's Forum in theRPGsite. Specifically, the ones from about a year ago when "consultantgate" was happening.
As a result of this some people, some of them well meaning and perhaps some of them snidely, were remarking that my ongoing condemnation of the Pseudo-Activist Outrage Brigade for what they did during Consultantgate was justifiable because "due to consultantgate the RPGPundit might never work for WoTC again".
The second thing that happened is that a minor brouhaha erupted when Ryan Macklin posted a list of advice for would-be writers for Paizo. Said advice included tips like "don't be too clever or you'll intimidate your potential employers", and "don't make stuff so smart that you'd never actually see it in a (paizo) publication". And understand, he wasn't being critical of the company, or joking; Ryan Macklin was the staff editor for Paizo from 2012 to 2015. He was being dead serious.
A lot of people got pissed off at him for it. But you know, Ryan Macklin is absolutely totally 100% right.
Which brings us back to Consultantgate.
The thing is, I never expected to have a WoTC gig to begin with (I admit, I didn't expect them to be that smart), I didn't expect to be taken on as a consultant, and when I took on the consulting job for 5e I had no intention of ever working for WoTC in the future. Note: not after gamergate, not after the consulting job was done, but right from the very start.
I never had any plan to ask for any WoTC job after the 5e consulting, and had Consultantgate not happened I wouldn't have had any expectation of doing any future work for WoTC. Any future offer of work would have to have met some very specific circumstances for me to be interested. The fact is, I never saw myself (nor do I see myself in the future) wanting to write an adventure module or mechanics book where whatever I would have to fit very strict criteria of design that are not my own. I want to spend my time making games and settings exactly the way I want to make them, not the way the WoTC corporate board thinks would be most profitable to be made. It's not what I'm into.
So Consultantgate really sucked for a number of reasons, but the notion that "I might never be hired by WoTC again" is not one of them, because I never had any plans of being hired by WoTC again. Not that I would categorically rule it out completely, but it would have to be very special circumstances that granted me a latitude that just wouldn't be very typical for WoTC to grant anyone.
I had no assumption of working for them again, at no point did I express any such expectation to WoTC, nor did WoTC or Mike Mearls at any time make any kind of suggestion that they would hire me again; and I suspect that Mike Mearls (who has been a reader of my blog from Year One) knows me well enough to know that even if he wanted to make such an offer it couldn't possibly be to write some adventure module under the careful control and supervision of Wizards' executives.
Ryan Macklin is absolutely right: if you want to be a writer for Paizo OR WoTC, you need to be willing to do work that will be less clever, less original, and that cannot in any way intimidate the suits. My RPG-writing is way too interesting to be able to feel comfortable to the top brass at WoTC (or Paizo for that matter). My methods, and the stuff I produce, would not tick the list of boxes of what they want, of middle-of-the-road products that are broad enough to be enjoyed by everyone without making things difficult for anyone to use. Not just me, mind you, that applies to a lot of the independent OSR designers (and a few non-OSR designers too). Note also that I'm not in any way saying that WoTC or Paizo's products are bad products. Not at all, just that they are products made with a corporate mindset of being the most efficiently broad-spectrum and generic enough for the mass audience.
Consultantgate sucked ass because people made up vicious lies about me, and did so with the intention of harming my career. But Consultantgate didn't affect my relationship with Wizards of the Coast in any way, shape or form. They were completely impotent in that regard, because I had already finished my work for WoTC before Consultantgate ever started, and had no expectation whatsoever of working for them in the future.
And really, why would I ever need to? Lords of Olympus, Arrows of Indra, and now Dark Albion have all been big successes for me, and all of them were me writing exactly what I wanted to write, on my own terms. My consultancy with WoTC was a dream job because it was precisely because of this differentness from their typical employee and absolute refusal to compromise anything that I was perfect for the Consulting job. Mearls knew I would pull no punches.
And really, in spite of the total shittiness of what the Outrage Brigade did during Consultantgate, they lost.
D&D has become exactly what I said it should become. The OSR has become exactly what I said it should become. Nothing anyone does now is going to change any of that. They're mine now.
You are all living in Pundit's World now, and it's working, and it's beautiful.
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(August 15, 2015)
Say Pundit, if you wouldn’t mind satisfying a curiosity for me… Do you consider yourself to be an artist? Why or why not?
Quote from: RPGPunditThe second thing that happened is that a minor brouhaha erupted when Ryan Macklin posted a list of advice for would-be writers for Paizo. Said advice included tips like "don't be too clever or you'll intimidate your potential employers", and "don't make stuff so smart that you'd never actually see it in a (paizo) publication". And understand, he wasn't being critical of the company, or joking; Ryan Macklin was the staff editor for Paizo from 2012 to 2015. He was being dead serious.
A lot of people got pissed off at him for it. But you know, Ryan Macklin is absolutely totally 100% right.
I hadn't heard about that. Can someone link to the incident described here? I'm rather interested in seeing what he wrote, and the resulting fallout.
RPGPundit, have you published any adventures?
I am actually surprised you have not yet supported Arrows or Dark Albion with adventures considering how much playtesting you did with your home crew. It seems to me that much of your home adventures would be prefect fodder to be expanded upon / repackaged into published adventures.
As for all of us living in Pundy's world now, perhaps that explains the election! :)
Quote from: Morrius;912934Say Pundit, if you wouldn't mind satisfying a curiosity for me... Do you consider yourself to be an artist? Why or why not?
If you mean in the context of being an RPG writer, no. I do not consider myself an 'artist'. I don't think RPG-designing is 'art'. I think it could be described as a "Craft", so I guess I might be a craftsman of sorts.
Quote from: Spinachcat;913094RPGPundit, have you published any adventures?
I am actually surprised you have not yet supported Arrows or Dark Albion with adventures considering how much playtesting you did with your home crew. It seems to me that much of your home adventures would be prefect fodder to be expanded upon / repackaged into published adventures.
As for all of us living in Pundy's world now, perhaps that explains the election! :)
The thing is, if you were to actually see my adventure notes, they're usually three semi-incoherent scribbled lines on a piece of paper or a txt file. I do so much improv it's unbelievable even to me that I can get away with it.
So I could do a retro-active adventure made out of what happened in one of my games, but it would be very hard to do this without making it railroady. I don't think adventure-writing is something that I would be really great at, frankly. I'd much rather be world-building, and throwing in a bunch of material that a GM could stitch together as an adventure or a bunch of adventures (so, I guess, "adventure seeds").
Quote from: RPGPundit;912905nor did WoTC or Mike Mearls at any time make any kind of suggestion that they would hire me again
The real reason I haven't had sex with Angelina Jolie is she's a bit thin for me. The fact that she never asked me is irrelevant, of course.
Just keep self-publishing. It's better that way.
Angelina Jolie squicks me out so I'm kinda glad she hasn't asked me.
Much like Wizards of the Coast.
I may have had sex with Angelina Jolie, but I don't kiss and tell. Least of all her.
Anyway, The Real Reason I Don't Work for Wizards of the Coast is that have no net worth to them. I suck.
Quote from: RPGPundit;913151I'd much rather be world-building, and throwing in a bunch of material that a GM could stitch together as an adventure or a bunch of adventures (so, I guess, "adventure seeds").
I understand. Adventure writing is its own thing. I'm a big fan of "adventure seeds" more than fully fleshed out modules, but there's clearly a love of published adventures in the RPG community.
Have you considered opening up Arrows of Indra and Dark Albion so others could publish adventures?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;913158Just keep self-publishing. It's better that way.
That's probably true in today's market.
I wonder if how wide the profit margin may be between DM's Guild writers and WotC freelancers. The big payoff to do any WotC work may actually be how you can use that fact to promote your self-publishing.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;913158The real reason I haven't had sex with Angelina Jolie is she's a bit thin for me. The fact that she never asked me is irrelevant, of course.
Just keep self-publishing. It's better that way.
Except he was hired by WOTC at one time for one project. So to make your analogy right you would had sex with Angelina Jolie for one night.
I am saying you never work for a company you never had work for is one thing, but saying you never work for a company you had worked with is quite another. The later means you had experience in dealing with said company.
Quote from: Spinachcat;913174I understand. Adventure writing is its own thing. I'm a big fan of "adventure seeds" more than fully fleshed out modules, but there's clearly a love of published adventures in the RPG community.
Have you considered opening up Arrows of Indra and Dark Albion so others could publish adventures?
I'm completely open to people doing adventures for both of these, and would gladly endorse and promote any that I thought was a worthwhile product, or even collaborate if the conditions were right!
QuoteThat's probably true in today's market.
I wonder if how wide the profit margin may be between DM's Guild writers and WotC freelancers. The big payoff to do any WotC work may actually be how you can use that fact to promote your self-publishing.
Well, I can't be completely sure without carefully checking my records, but if I'm not mistaken I made more money off my time as a WoTC consultant than I did with any of my RPG publishing products at that time. However, I've definitely made more money of Dark Albion than I did consulting.
Number of D&D editions Kyle was hired to help make: 0
Number of times Kyle has claimed to be able to work 'teh real world magicks': Also 0
Quote from: Kellri;913412Number of times Kyle has claimed to be able to work 'teh real world magicks': Also 0
Dude, not cool. A person's spiritual beliefs are their own, and shouldn't be mocked unless they directly hurt others.
Pundit is a pathetic piece of shit for so many reasons, use some of those. He thinks he is the Hunter S. Thompson of RPGs when he is really Joseph McCarty. He judges people based on their birthplace and cultural background, he fervently denies being a homophobe while using 'cocksucker' as his favorite insult. His whole output hasn't sold as well as a single printing of Dungeon World, one of many RPGs he claims no one buys. He claims understanding of world politics, the inner workings of the EU and Polish affairs while displaying none or factually wrong knowledge on any of these subjects. He claims to have singlehandedly saved D&D while being one of eight consultants on the product among dozens of contributors. And the list goes on!
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913439Dude, not cool. A person's spiritual beliefs are their own, and shouldn't be mocked unless they directly hurt others.
Pundit is a pathetic piece of shit for so many reasons, use some of those. He thinks he is the Hunter S. Thompson of RPGs when he is really Joseph McCarty. He judges people based on their birthplace and cultural background, he fervently denies being a homophobe while using 'cocksucker' as his favorite insult. His whole output hasn't sold as well as a single printing of Dungeon World, one of many RPGs he claims no one buys. He claims understanding of world politics, the inner workings of the EU and Polish affairs while displaying none or factually wrong knowledge on any of these subjects. He claims to have singlehandedly saved D&D while being one of eight consultants on the product among dozens of contributors. And the list goes on!
Obviously, you aren't friends with any proudly self proclaimed cocksuckers.
Regardless, since straight and gay people suck the cock, feel free to fuck right of with that claim.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;913457Obviously, you aren't friends with any proudly self proclaimed cocksuckers.
Regardless, since straight and gay people suck the cock, feel free to fuck right of with that claim.
I honestly have no idea what you mean here.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913471I honestly have no idea what you mean here.
Straight women. :rolleyes:
Quote from: Kellri;913412Number of times Kyle has claimed to be able to work 'teh real world magicks': Also 0
If he did, maybe he'd have been hired to work on D&D.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913439he fervently denies being a homophobe while using 'cocksucker' as his favorite insult.
Cocksucker is not my favorite insult! That would probably be bitch. Like you, little bitch!
QuoteHis whole output hasn't sold as well as a single printing of Dungeon World, one of many RPGs he claims no one buys.
I have no idea what DW's output has really been, or how many people even play it. Since it blatantly ripped off the OSR in an attempt to be popular, I'm sure it's probably the most-played Swine Game, since its the one most passingly similar to D&D.
But D&D 5e is part of my output, and it has
VASTLY outsold everything the forge/storygames crowd have ever written, in just one printing.
QuoteHe claims understanding of world politics, the inner workings of the EU and Polish affairs while displaying none or factually wrong knowledge on any of these subjects.
By 'wrong' you mean 'has humiliated me with the truth', little bitch?
QuoteHe claims to have singlehandedly saved D&D while being one of eight consultants on the product among dozens of contributors. And the list goes on!
I never said singlehandedly. Mike Mearls helped a great deal, by hiring me to help save D&D from the disaster the Forge had put it in (and thus admitting I was right about everything all along), listening to my advice and exchanging hundreds of emails with me to make sure the game was done right.
Quote from: Alzrius;913474Straight women. :rolleyes:
Pretty sure Little Bitch Ronin has no acquaintance with women as a subject.
Quote from: RPGPundit;913576I never said singlehandedly. Mike Mearls helped a great deal, by hiring me to help save D&D from the disaster the Forge had put it in (and thus admitting I was right about everything all along), listening to my advice and exchanging hundreds of emails with me to make sure the game was done right.
Not sure what the forge really had to do with it. I mean really? A niche, of a niche, of a niche hobby destroyed the hobbies biggest name? Shenannigans to that. WotC didn't really need help fucking things up (I'm looking at you 4E). Maybe you you did have a big effect, maybe you didn't. I don't really care either way. But put away the trumpet Pundy, the tooting of the horn is so loud.
Quote from: Alzrius;913474Straight women. :rolleyes:
Thank you.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;913457Obviously, you aren't friends with any proudly self proclaimed cocksuckers.
Regardless, since straight and gay people suck the cock, feel free to fuck right of with that claim.
Now you are going down into semantics rather than focusing on the context. When Pundit, as he often does, use cocksucker as an insult that would not be in praise of any who enjoy the activity.
Quote from: RPGPundit;913576Cocksucker is not my favorite insult! That would probably be bitch. Like you, little bitch!
I have no idea what DW's output has really been, or how many people even play it. Since it blatantly ripped off the OSR in an attempt to be popular, I'm sure it's probably the most-played Swine Game, since its the one most passingly similar to D&D.
But D&D 5e is part of my output, and it has VASTLY outsold everything the forge/storygames crowd have ever written, in just one printing.
By 'wrong' you mean 'has humiliated me with the truth', little bitch?
I never said singlehandedly. Mike Mearls helped a great deal, by hiring me to help save D&D from the disaster the Forge had put it in (and thus admitting I was right about everything all along), listening to my advice and exchanging hundreds of emails with me to make sure the game was done right.
You can dish it out, but you can't take it. You resort to schoolyard slurs against any who question your overblown ego. You have a twisted view of the world, no better than a paranoid. And that is not even right because that would be an insult to paranoids everywhere.
Ronin why are wasting your time? Come on your better than this.
Quote from: Snowman0147;913656Ronin why are wasting your time? Come on your better than this.
Because it's fun to make fun of the pundy persona?
Come on, he just admitted to having to work 'teh real world magicks' on WotC in order to get them to hire him on as a consultant.
Quote from: Snowman0147;913656Ronin why are wasting your time? Come on your better than this.
Thanks for saying that man. I admit I was in an agitated state when I wrote the initial messages.
I've been pretty pissed at Pundit since he called my family Nazi collaborators. That shit made my blood boil, and sometimes I just go overboard.
Quote from: Sommerjon;913688Because it's fun to make fun of the pundy persona?
Come on, he just admitted to having to work 'teh real world magicks' on WotC in order to get them to hire him on as a consultant.
While I have my disagreements with the Pundit, I still retain that knocking a person's spiritual beliefs is wrong. I still do find the whole 'I saved D&D!' shtick a little tiring too.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913702While I have my disagreements with the Pundit, I still retain that knocking a person's spiritual beliefs is wrong. I still do find the whole 'I saved D&D!' shtick a little tiring too.
Especially since he keeps blaming the Forge without being able to produce any solid evidence for it. (A handful of years-later references to 4E as 'gamist' do not convince.) I have no fondness for the Forge, but I do like 4E, and I don't much care for the Pundit's paranoid megalomania. :)
Of course, by his criteria as expressed in this thread, I can call myself a New York Times-bestselling writer ...
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913702While I have my disagreements with the Pundit, I still retain that knocking a person's spiritual beliefs is wrong. I still do find the whole 'I saved D&D!' shtick a little tiring too.
Why do you equate believing da magicks be real'mon as spiritual?
Quote from: Sommerjon;913730Why do you equate believing da magicks be real'mon as spiritual?
It can be part of a spiritual/religious tradition, and I feel that understanding and respecting such beliefs is an important part of engaging with and understanding other people(s). While I don't believe in it, and certainly don't have a respectful relationship with the Pundit, it is still a matter of personal conviction that religious/spiritual world views should not be belittled.
Quote from: RPGPundit;913574If he did, maybe he'd have been hired to work on D&D.
You can cast Charm Person? That's awesome! It's probably the D&D low-level spell that'd be most useful in the real world.
Honestly, Pundit-
I'm glad you don't work for WotC. There's way too many people in the outrage brigade that will do their best to get you fired if you displease them with your opinions. Like I told some folk, I worked with a guy who is a Doctor that had to quit because the local outrage brigade didn't like his opinions on certain things.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913702While I have my disagreements with the Pundit, I still retain that knocking a person's spiritual beliefs is wrong. I still do find the whole 'I saved D&D!' shtick a little tiring too.
Exactly. There's no reason we can't be gentlemen here. Pundit's never mistreated me, despite our vast political disagreements, both inside and outside of gaming. I don't like his politics, but it's to his credit that I have been allowed to continue saying so, in his own house, for so long.
The one thing that this community-- tabletop gamers-- most desperately needs is a dose of emotional maturity.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913740It can be part of a spiritual/religious tradition, and I feel that understanding and respecting such beliefs is an important part of engaging with and understanding other people(s). While I don't believe in it, and certainly don't have a respectful relationship with the Pundit, it is still a matter of personal conviction that religious/spiritual world views should not be belittled.
That's nice.
I don't care what you think.
I will make fun of the persona that professes magic is real.
Quote from: FaerieGodfather;913899Exactly. There's no reason we can't be gentlemen here. Pundit's never mistreated me, despite our vast political disagreements, both inside and outside of gaming. I don't like his politics, but it's to his credit that I have been allowed to continue saying so, in his own house, for so long.
The one thing that this community-- tabletop gamers-- most desperately needs is a dose of emotional maturity.
You believe magic is real......and you're wanting us, who live in reality, to desperately get a dose of emotional maturity?
Quote from: Sommerjon;913982You believe magic is real......and you're wanting us, who live in reality, to desperately get a dose of emotional maturity?
I want you to stop being a self-righteous jackass, yes. You're the kind of person that gives atheism a bad name, and your obsession with other peoples' spiritual beliefs is getting tiresome.
Quote from: FaerieGodfather;914069I want you to stop being a self-righteous jackass, yes. You're the kind of person that gives atheism a bad name, and your obsession with other peoples' spiritual beliefs is getting tiresome.
Pot meet kettle.
Quote from: Snowman0147;914072Pot meet kettle.
Yes, I'm just being
so uncivil here. Goodness and mercy me!
Quote from: FaerieGodfather;914077Yes, I'm just being so uncivil here. Goodness and mercy me!
There you go proving me right with your sarcasm.
Look just because you are well behaved in one thread does not mean we should forget your other posts in other threads in which you do come off as a self righteous jackass.
The real reason Pundejo doesn't work for Wizards is that they're not real wizards like himself, and he doesn't mingle with Muggles.
Quote from: RPGPundit;913411Number of D&D editions Kyle was hired to help make: 0
This is true. But I realise now my analogy is not accurate.
QuoteThe real reason I haven't had sex with Angelina Jolie is she's a bit thin for me. The fact that she never asked me is irrelevant, of course.
Which would hurt my ego more, Jolie refusing to sleep with me once, or doing it but then not wanting to repeat the experience?
I could've slept with Angelica Jolie, but I told her to hire Wizards of the Coast instead.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;913881You can cast Charm Person? That's awesome! It's probably the D&D low-level spell that'd be most useful in the real world.
For the less magickally inclined, they need to stick to Cast Rohypnol.
Quote from: The Butcher;914170The real reason Pundejo doesn't work for Wizards is that they're not real wizards like himself, and he doesn't mingle with Muggles.
It shall remain forever a mystery how Pundit's fate turned out in the alternative universe, where they are called Magickians of the Coast.
All in all however, having played 5e a couple times, I still wonder how is it old school. Remember how in AD&D you just took an hour's break after a fight and your spells came back? Those were fun times. Man, we just rested like 6 times in Against the Giants, stomped the dumbos.
Is 'cocksucker' generally considered a homophobic insult? I'd never thought of it that way... not that's really in my repertoire, but I always took it as a ruder synonym of 'sycophant'.
Quote from: Simlasa;914309Is 'cocksucker' generally considered a homophobic insult? I'd never thought of it that way... not that's really in my repertoire, but I always took it as a ruder synonym of 'sycophant'.
Because its not homophobic its just Ronin losing his shit over nothing.
Quote from: Simlasa;914309Is 'cocksucker' generally considered a homophobic insult? I'd never thought of it that way... not that's really in my repertoire, but I always took it as a ruder synonym of 'sycophant'.
My reasoning is;There is little social stigma for fellatio in the western world, so presumably the insult is not bound in the act of giving a blowjob/blowjobs. Since the insult is used by the pundit against men that would mean the insult is bound to the act of fellatio in a homosexual context. That would make it homophobic.
I see your point about it being a synonym for 'sycophant'. Earlier in the thread Warboss Squee suggested that 'cocksucker' is really meant in a congratulatory way, celebrating skill at fellatio. So there is some debate as to what the remark means.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;914432My reasoning is;There is little social stigma for fellatio in the western world, so presumably the insult is not bound in the act of giving a blowjob/blowjobs. Since the insult is used by the pundit against men that would mean the insult is bound to the act of fellatio in a homosexual context. That would make it homophobic.
I see your point about it being a synonym for 'sycophant'. Earlier in the thread Warboss Squee suggested that 'cocksucker' is really meant in a congratulatory way, celebrating skill at fellatio. So there is some debate as to what the remark means.
No. I meant it wasn't homophobic. It was totally an insult.
Quote from: FaerieGodfather;914069I want you to stop being a self-righteous jackass, yes. You're the kind of person that gives atheism a bad name, and your obsession with other peoples' spiritual beliefs is getting tiresome.
Obsession?
No.
I'm not being self-righteous.
I am laughing at the rpgpundit persona who loves a soapbox. he wants us to take him seriously when he professes to believe magic is real.
Just think, had kept your mouth shut about believing magic to be real you wouldn't be eliciting the same derision that he gets.
I expect you would profer similar If he said Jesus, Budda, Yaweh, Allah, or Krishna was real and empowered his life in some manner.
For myself, I would say the term "magic" is far too broad for me to define it as real or not. I remain unconvinced yet I can accept that others believe in it and that it is indeed central to their beliefs and self identification.
So, even those who believe in telephone psychics or that they are really spirit wolves are not fully laughable to my mind.
Because, when it comes to anyone's inner life, that kind of disdain seems wholly despicable.
Quote from: Ronin;913593Not sure what the forge really had to do with it. I mean really? A niche, of a niche, of a niche hobby destroyed the hobbies biggest name? Shenannigans to that. WotC didn't really need help fucking things up (I'm looking at you 4E). Maybe you you did have a big effect, maybe you didn't. I don't really care either way. But put away the trumpet Pundy, the tooting of the horn is so loud.
A number of people involved with D&D during the creation of 4e were huge admirers of the Forge and GNS theory. 4E is almost PRECISELY the way Forge theory says D&D "ought to be" so that it is no longer "incoherent". It's precisely what they prescribed as the way D&D could be made better.
Of course, taking advice on how to make a thing better by people who utterly despise said thing is a moronic idea. But there you go.
When 4e came out I noted that it was in fact the Forge-inspired version of D&D, and that as a result of going this way, WoTC would lose 2/3rds of D&D's customer base. That's almost exactly what happened. That's why next time around, instead of trying to follow GNS theory, they hired me.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913613Thank you.
Now you are going down into semantics rather than focusing on the context. When Pundit, as he often does, use cocksucker as an insult that would not be in praise of any who enjoy the activity.
When I do use the word 'cocksucker', it's usually in reference to the type of person who doesn't actually like sucking cock, but will suck a cock if they think it will get them something, usually virtue/fame/power-by-association, or praise, or just the idea that by sucking certain cock you are somehow above other people who you imagine to be unworthy of sucking cock.
Your attempt at slandering me with the notion that this is homophobic is pretty fucking moronic. I mean, I call way more people cunts than cocksuckers, and I happen to quite like literal cunts.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913614You can dish it out, but you can't take it. You resort to schoolyard slurs against any who question your overblown ego. You have a twisted view of the world, no better than a paranoid. And that is not even right because that would be an insult to paranoids everywhere.
You resort to trying to slander people using the virtue-signalling of the day, which shows what a shit-eating worm you are.
Quote from: Sommerjon;913688Come on, he just admitted to having to work 'teh real world magicks' on WotC in order to get them to hire him on as a consultant.
I did what??
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;913702Thanks for saying that man. I admit I was in an agitated state when I wrote the initial messages.
I've been pretty pissed at Pundit since he called my family Nazi collaborators. That shit made my blood boil, and sometimes I just go overboard.
I didn't call your family Nazi collaborators. I called your entire fucking country nazi collaborators, and insinuated that you would have been one too had you lived in the era. Nothing you have done since has helped to alter that view. You're always ready to make excuses for totalitarianism.
QuoteWhile I have my disagreements with the Pundit, I still retain that knocking a person's spiritual beliefs is wrong. I still do find the whole 'I saved D&D!' shtick a little tiring too.
I don't have any spiritual beliefs. I have spiritual practices, and spiritual convictions based on experience. "Spiritual Belief" is for people who want to comfort themselves with an idea that they've made no actual investigation of, to avoid actual growth.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;913881You can cast Charm Person? That's awesome! It's probably the D&D low-level spell that'd be most useful in the real world.
I didn't need to. The 'draw up a circle with barbarous names and start summoning something up' part of magic is just the extreme end of practice. The much more important part are the daily exercises in concentration, meditation, and general consciousness-enhancing.Do those consistently, and the stuff most people imagine as 'magic' only has to be done in cases of emergency. Fail to do that, and the 'magic' part of it won't work anyway.
Magic is about cultivating the true Will. Every amazing thing that has happened in my life is thanks to that cultivation.
Quote from: Crüesader;913883Honestly, Pundit-
I'm glad you don't work for WotC. There's way too many people in the outrage brigade that will do their best to get you fired if you displease them with your opinions. Like I told some folk, I worked with a guy who is a Doctor that had to quit because the local outrage brigade didn't like his opinions on certain things.
That's what this thread is about: they DID try to 'fire me', after I no longer worked there. The Regressive Outrage Brigade are morons. It's not the first time they've done that sort of thing with an RPG author, either.
Quote from: The Butcher;914170The real reason Pundejo doesn't work for Wizards is that they're not real wizards like himself, and he doesn't mingle with Muggles.
Ha! It's funny, because this is the first time I thought of the humor of how for at least a little while, there was a real wizard working for Wizards of the Coast.
Mind you, it being Seattle, and gaming, there's probably a bunch of Wiccans who work there too. Of course, 90% of those have never actually done anything resembling magick.
But as for the 'muggles' thing, there's definitely a current of exclusivity in occultism, but I'm the least excluding magician around. I want people to understand functional occultism, and would love for everyone to try it. I also understand why the enormous pile of crap and nonsense associated with occult movements can make some people skeptical. I'm the opposite of a 'fuck the muggles' type, I'm an evangelist.
Quote from: Simlasa;914309Is 'cocksucker' generally considered a homophobic insult? I'd never thought of it that way...
It's only that when you have no decent arguments and so are resorting to trying to insinuate your opponent is a homophobe with the notion that this will somehow magically make him wrong and you right. Never in any other case.
Quotenot that's really in my repertoire, but I always took it as a ruder synonym of 'sycophant'.
Yup.
Quote from: David Johansen;914560So, even those who believe in telephone psychics or that they are really spirit wolves are not fully laughable to my mind.
They are in mine.
As are the laughable imbeciles who try to pretend they're rationalist when they're really just "hurp derp derp Dawkins said so and I hated sunday school derp derp" like Sommerjon. They're extra funny; because the tarot-card and spirit-wolf people are wrongly thinking that they're being 'super spiritual' when they're really doing it wrong, but mental defectives like Sommerjon think they're NOT being spiritual when literally everyone else can tell they're being religious fanatics.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914589They are in mine.
As are the laughable imbeciles who try to pretend they're rationalist when they're really just "hurp derp derp Dawkins said so and I hated sunday school derp derp" like Sommerjon. They're extra funny; because the tarot-card and spirit-wolf people are wrongly thinking that they're being 'super spiritual' when they're really doing it wrong, but mental defectives like Sommerjon think they're NOT being spiritual when literally everyone else can tell they're being religious fanatics.
And yet you can offer no more evidence for your beliefs than they can for theirs.
I respect that you've done the work, the research, and have stood up and declared your position as an authority on real magic.
But in the end the pope and the Dali Lama are in no better position than you are.
People believe the things they believe for the reasons they believe them.
Outside of the physical sciences we're all in the same boat there.
Sure I believe they are wrong, as you do, but not necessarily worthy of derision and mockery.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914571I didn't call your family Nazi collaborators. I called your entire fucking country nazi collaborators, and insinuated that you would have been one too had you lived in the era. Nothing you have done since has helped to alter that view. You're always ready to make excuses for totalitarianism.
I'm pro EU. That's literally all you have 'evidence' to suggest that I am pro-totalitarianism. You are factually wrong yet again, you just refuse to admit it because you have built up a cozy little nest of fringe-theories and alt-right politics where you can always be right and everybody else wrong. You harp endlessly on the evils of SJW-leftism and their skewed perceptions on politics while being no different yourself.
Quote from: David Johansen;914590And yet you can offer no more evidence for your beliefs than they can for theirs.
I respect that you've done the work, the research, and have stood up and declared your position as an authority on real magic.
But in the end the pope and the Dali Lama are in no better position than you are.
People believe the things they believe for the reasons they believe them.
Outside of the physical sciences we're all in the same boat there.
Sure I believe they are wrong, as you do, but not necessarily worthy of derision and mockery.
Popes say "you must believe".
I say "try it and see for yourself".
I will concede that I was wrong in calling Pundit homophobic based on the use of 'cocksucker' as an insult. Other than that my points still stand. Pundit, you are a n aggressive, ignorant bigot. Your politics are objectivist drivel no matter how many times you try and label yourself a libertarian, you are arrogant and intolerant in your relationships with others , that being in religious, politicial or rpg discussions. You can write as many blog entries as you want, you will never be Hunter S Thompson, only a second rate Glenn Beck.
And you know nothing about Denmark or Danes in general other than what you have gleaned from the first four words on Wikipedia before you got too tired of its 'leftist bias' and went for the Stormfront forum to get your information.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914670Popes say "you must believe".
I say "try it and see for yourself".
Fair enough, I don't have much use for popes myself but they work for a whole lot more other people than either of our belief structures, and some of them are very intelligent and well educated people at that.
Not that numbers are proof as such but they do lend a certain amount of acceptability to a belief structure. If there were as many people who believed they were wolf spirits as there are Catholics I expect they'd be taken a great deal more seriously.
Quote from: David Johansen;914692Fair enough, I don't have much use for popes myself but they work for a whole lot more other people than either of our belief structures, and some of them are very intelligent and well educated people at that.
Not that numbers are proof as such but they do lend a certain amount of acceptability to a belief structure. If there were as many people who believed they were wolf spirits as there are Catholics I expect they'd be taken a great deal more seriously.
Well, there were.....
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;914673I will concede that I was wrong in calling Pundit homophobic based on the use of 'cocksucker' as an insult. Other than that my points still stand. Pundit, you are a n aggressive, ignorant bigot. Your politics are objectivist drivel no matter how many times you try and label yourself a libertarian, you are arrogant and intolerant in your relationships with others , that being in religious, politicial or rpg discussions. You can write as many blog entries as you want, you will never be Hunter S Thompson, only a second rate Glenn Beck.
And you know nothing about Denmark or Danes in general other than what you have gleaned from the first four words on Wikipedia before you got too tired of its 'leftist bias' and went for the Stormfront forum to get your information.
So now you're trying to accuse me of being a neo-nazi, bitch?
You have one chance to apologize.
Quote from: David Johansen;914692Fair enough, I don't have much use for popes myself but they work for a whole lot more other people than either of our belief structures, and some of them are very intelligent and well educated people at that.
Not that numbers are proof as such but they do lend a certain amount of acceptability to a belief structure. If there were as many people who believed they were wolf spirits as there are Catholics I expect they'd be taken a great deal more seriously.
The right mix of belief, requiring people to do just the right amount of things without having to do anything else, to have to dedicate just enough work to feel 'spiritual' without having to risk any chance whatsoever at self-transformation, to have to give up just right amount of autonomy, to have just the right range of ritual and trappings without being too much work, is indeed a winning formula for creating world religions.
It "works for" people in the sense that the vast majority of people don't actually want to transform themselves, which requires work. Most people just want to feel vaguely religious without having to do too much about it. It's
way easier to believe something someone tells you or you read somewhere, be it Dawkins or Falwell or Francis, than to have to engage in a spiritual regimen of your own.
That's why esoteric schools have always been the minority. When they stop being a minority movement, it's because they've been co-opted, stripped of almost all actual spiritual use, and turned into a Religion.
Religions are made from the rotted corpses of true spiritual systems.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914845So now you're trying to accuse me of being a neo-nazi, bitch?
You have one chance to apologize.
No, I'm making a joke on your rejection of mainstream media: You think everything mainstream is leftist propaganda and so go to the extremes of the political spectrum for 'unbiased' information.
Also, you act like a crybaby. "Fuck you, you and your people are all totalitarians! You call me a nazi, boo ho, apologize for hurting my feelings in my safe space!"
I can only speak for my country so I will say this. Hell yes the mainstream media is fucking leftists. They fully support Hillary any chance they get. Hell Fox News fires people who are too conservative.
Whereas in Australia we look at US media and see it as uniformly right-wing.
It's a bit the way when I lived in NZ I walked around in t-shirt and shorts when it was 15C because usually it was 0C, now in Melbourne I wear a jumper and jeans in 15C because usually it's 22C. The temperature is still 15C, that hasn't changed - but my body is used to it being colder all the time, or hotter all the time. You just get used things being a certain way and assume anything else is bizzarrely deviant.
If you really want to know what your country is like, ask a foreigner. A fish can't see the water.
A fish can certainly see where the parent company of said news channel is going to pay for Hillary's president campaign and all the favorable reports she gets from said news channel.
Yeah, like I said, hard to have perspective.
If you think mainstream media are leftist, especially US ones, you may just be beyond the proverbial Wall to the right. Remind me, which TV station condemned Iraq's invasion as an illegal act of aggression performed despite UN Security Council veto?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;914858If you really want to know what your country is like, ask a foreigner. A fish can't see the water.
I would add that voluntarily leaving your country for an extended period is often a great way to gain a better perspective on political goings on back home. The converse, fleeing or being exiled, tends to turn people into raving lunatics - as can be seen by trying to have a rational discussion about Vietnamese, Cambodian, Iraqi or Russian politics with overseas members of those communities.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;914862Yeah, like I said, hard to have perspective.
Some never bothered to look at the Democrat Nomination Committee scandal that is all over in Wiki Leaks.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914848Religions are made from the rotted corpses of true spiritual systems.
I think that's mostly just human nature at work. I expect you could look within most religions (including mine to be sure) and find only a minority are really making the effort to truly live the teachings involved. In fact I would expect the only exceptions would be the religions that require next to nothing of their members.
People are basically lazy.
Quote from: Snowman0147;914942Some never bothered to look at the Democrat Nomination Committee scandal that is all over in Wiki Leaks.
Or the several that proceeded it, or the fact that the head of the DNC at the time had an aid the died along with the guy that served the DNC with legal papers over said scandal. I don't know if the three are connected, but Julien Assange's lawyer just pushed himself in front of a train a few days ago, and he was certainly making a lot of noise about the DNC and Clinton before hand.
Point is that the DNC scandal is the biggest political news we got at this point and no mainstream media covers it. You have to dig for it which is the problem.
Quote from: Warboss Squee;914966I don't know if the three are connected, but Julien Assange's lawyer just pushed himself in front of a train a few days ago, and he was certainly making a lot of noise about the DNC and Clinton before hand.
Actually, Julian Assange's lawyer died back in April (https://archive.is/OKVbu), and the story I heard seems to be that - while he did leap in front of the train of his own accord - he wasn't in his right mind at the time, having checked himself into a mental health clinic some time before. The recent development in this is that an inquest ruled that his death was "not a suicide" in that he lacked the requisite mental intent to take his own life, opening the door to civil suits.
While the context makes it notable, particularly since this was a successful man with a family who was used to taking on high-profile cases, serious depression (and other mental health problems) do not have to correlate to personal circumstances, and so I'm not sure how suspicious his death really is.
Quote from: Alzrius;914977Actually, Julian Assange's lawyer died back in April (https://archive.is/OKVbu), and the story I heard seems to be that - while he did leap in front of the train of his own accord - he wasn't in his right mind at the time, having checked himself into a mental health clinic some time before. The recent development in this is that an inquest ruled that his death was "not a suicide" in that he lacked the requisite mental intent to take his own life, opening the door to civil suits.
While the context makes it notable, particularly since this was a successful man with a family who was used to taking on high-profile cases, serious depression (and other mental health problems) do not have to correlate to personal circumstances, and so I'm not sure how suspicious his death really is.
Huh. I saw it connected in an article that made mention of the DNC staffer and a guy that served paper to the DNC over the DNC leak, so they date certainly would have helped.
Can't trust the media.
The guy who wikileaks all but said leaked the DNC documents to them, who was a DNC staffer, died under mysterious circumstances shortly after the leak.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;914854No, I'm making a joke on your rejection of mainstream media: You think everything mainstream is leftist propaganda and so go to the extremes of the political spectrum for 'unbiased' information.
Also, you act like a crybaby. "Fuck you, you and your people are all totalitarians! You call me a nazi, boo ho, apologize for hurting my feelings in my safe space!"
Stormfront isn't a right-wing forum. It's an explicitly neo-nazi forum. Saying someone goes to stormfront for their news is not like saying they watch Fox or go to Breitbart. It's saying they're a neo-nazi.
Now, I hate all totalitarians of every stripe (which is your beef with me), but I especially have a particular place of hate reserved in my heart for fucking neo-nazis.
I'm willing to give you one last benefit of the doubt: Maybe you were too fucking stupid to understand that stormfront is a literal neo-nazi website that only neo-nazis frequent.
If you now say "I admit that I was too fucking stupid to realize that Stormfront is an explicitly neo-nazi site, and I apologize", I won't give you the ban it's fucking obvious you deserve.
Quote from: RPGPundit;914848Religions are made from the rotted corpses of true spiritual systems.
Would you consider early Christianity and early Islam "true spiritual systems"?
If so, why?
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;914862Yeah, like I said, hard to have perspective.
It's not hard. It takes effort to put aside nationalistic ego, but anyone who wants to be honestly analytical about their homeland can certainly achieve perspective.
I'm very unsure about the idea that foreigners know more about other countries than about their own. I'm not going to trust the average citizen (of any nation) to enlighten me on other nations.
Quote from: RPGPundit;915074Stormfront isn't a right-wing forum. It's an explicitly neo-nazi forum. Saying someone goes to stormfront for their news is not like saying they watch Fox or go to Breitbart. It's saying they're a neo-nazi.
Now, I hate all totalitarians of every stripe (which is your beef with me), but I especially have a particular place of hate reserved in my heart for fucking neo-nazis.
I'm willing to give you one last benefit of the doubt: Maybe you were too fucking stupid to understand that stormfront is a literal neo-nazi website that only neo-nazis frequent.
If you now say "I admit that I was too fucking stupid to realize that Stormfront is an explicitly neo-nazi site, and I apologize", I won't give you the ban it's fucking obvious you deserve.
Since when's calling you a cunt bannable? Or even calling you something you're not? The standard's shifting with every day it seems, and with amount of people you called Swine, whether they frequented Forge or not, it's a laughable accusation at best. Should I ask that you ban yourself, as you called me a jizz stain, and I am very sure that I am not, in fact, a jizz stain (last time I checked, you can't draw bone marrow from jizz, but hey), neither am I a brainwashed child of a Soviet/Post - Soviet apparatus, which you did call me? I don't even frequent Daily Kos nor read NIE.
And you aren't a Nazi. A notion that culture is somehow passed genetically, and if Danes were once collaborators there will have a collaborator psyche, is closer to fascism. And no cupcake, this isn't calling you a fascist, before you inevitably get into a huff.
Quote from: Snowman0147;914974Point is that the DNC scandal is the biggest political news we got at this point and no mainstream media covers it. You have to dig for it which is the problem.
Well if
effort is required to learn things, then obviously we can't expect
Americans to know anything, right? That is what you're saying? If not, what's your complaint?
Quote from: RPGPundit;915074Stormfront isn't a right-wing forum. It's an explicitly neo-nazi forum. Saying someone goes to stormfront for their news is not like saying they watch Fox or go to Breitbart. It's saying they're a neo-nazi.
Now, I hate all totalitarians of every stripe (which is your beef with me), but I especially have a particular place of hate reserved in my heart for fucking neo-nazis.
I'm willing to give you one last benefit of the doubt: Maybe you were too fucking stupid to understand that stormfront is a literal neo-nazi website that only neo-nazis frequent.
If you now say "I admit that I was too fucking stupid to realize that Stormfront is an explicitly neo-nazi site, and I apologize", I won't give you the ban it's fucking obvious you deserve.
I know that Stormfront is a neo-nazi forum you idiot, I specifically choose that example because neo-nazism is the most extreme end of the political spectrum, invoking the point that you would not take anything less as 'unbiased'. And I don't have a problem with you hating totalitarians, I have a problem with you, as Rincewind points out, handling my whole culture as a set of inherent traits passed directly down that makes me, or anyone else, naturally inclined towards collaboration.
Go ahead you insufferable hypocrite, just to once again hammer home that you are no different from the loser segment of SJWs that you constantly laud about.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915094Well if effort is required to learn things, then obviously we can't expect Americans to know anything, right? That is what you're saying? If not, what's your complaint?
In the era of infotainment, it's not a bad idea to take a step back and look at the paper publishing again.
Reading BOOKS?! Next you'll want people to go to libraries and research things!
Oppression!!! Censorship!
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915099Reading BOOKS?! Next you'll want people to go to libraries and research things!
Oppression!!! Censorship!
Don't be insane, you can download most of libraries' stock as e-books nowadays, no need to go outside.
Quote from: Rincewind1;915100Don't be insane, you can download most of libraries' stock as e-books nowadays, no need to go outside.
Heh.
I sometimes feel like the only guy that prefers the feel of a real book. Especially since if I throw a book at you for being stupid, I'm not breaking a hundred dollar electronic device.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915094Well if effort is required to learn things, then obviously we can't expect Americans to know anything, right? That is what you're saying? If not, what's your complaint?
Your a fucking dumbass. This is news that could determine who gets to be the president of the United States of America. One of the most important powerful positions in the entire world. This shit effects even you and your treating it as if it is a small thing.
This isn't the mainstream media should reported this. This is the mainstream media MUST report it. The fact they didn't shows you how fuck up they are. The fact you don't care shows how truly fuck up you are. Seriously fix yourself.
Quote from: Snowman0147;914974Point is that the DNC scandal is the biggest political news we got at this point and no mainstream media covers it. You have to dig for it which is the problem.
What is your definition of mainstream media? It got covered everywhere. Now I keep hearing about how the mainstream press isn't covering Clinton's Email and Foundation scandal, but these are all articles with headlines linked on
today's homepage of each news organization. And this is about a revelation that came on Monday, and is still rolling across the front page. I suspect that people complaining about these stories not being seen don't see it because they don't look.
If there is a major news organization that isn't covering the DNC leak or Hillary's email issues, I'd like you to name them specifically.
ABC News:
New Docs Show Clinton Foundation Donors Sought Access to State Department (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/docs-show-clinton-foundation-donors-sought-access-state/story?id=41582158)CBS News"
Clinton campaign dogged by new donor allegations (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-foundation-state-department-ties-revealed-associated-press-investigation-donald-trump/)NBC News: AP:
Donors gained access to Clinton as Secy. (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/video/ap-donors-gained-access-to-clinton-as-secy-749874243699)CNN:
What is the Clinton Foundation and why is it controversial? (//What%20is%20the%20Clinton%20Foundation%20and%20why%20is%20it%20controversial?)Fox News:
Multiple donors to Clinton Foundation met with her while at State Department (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/23/multiple-donors-to-clinton-foundation-met-with-her-while-at-state-department.html)Washington Post:
The latest Clinton emails show what an ethics agreement shouldn't look like (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-latest-clinton-emails-show-what-an-ethics-agreement-shouldnt-look-like/2016/08/23/6eb70baa-696e-11e6-99bf-f0cf3a6449a6_story.html?utm_term=.1b3160033e88)New York Times:
Hillary Clinton's 15,000 New Emails to Get Timetable for Release (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html?mabReward=A1&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine)
Okay I will back off.
Quote from: Spinachcat;915078Would you consider early Christianity and early Islam "true spiritual systems"?
If so, why?
That's a very big question, that would probably merit its own entire thread to say the least. Not something to redirect this thread into. But in short, my answer would be "probably, yes".
Quote from: Rincewind1;915092Since when's calling you a cunt bannable?
Calling me a cunt isn't bannable. Slandering me as a Nazi who goes to get my news from Stormfront is, for at least a couple of reasons. It's gross slander. It would imply this site endorses Neo-nazism, and could be misread to attract stormfront-fans here, which is breaking both the 'no neo-nazism' and 'site disruption' rules. And since the person who said has chased me around G+ and now here to theRPGsite to keep trying to get his revenge for me humiliating him on Brexit (or whatever, I hardly remember what we fought about, only that I shamed him somehow and that's why he's doing this now), it's stalking.
QuoteOr even calling you something you're not? The standard's shifting with every day it seems, and with amount of people you called Swine, whether they frequented Forge or not, it's a laughable accusation at best.
Me suggesting you're a fucking wanker would not be the same as if I insinuated you were part of a child porn ring, right? Two totally different levels of aggression. Connecting someone to stormfront is accusing them of being a Neo-Nazi, which (alongside child molester) are one of the only things this corrupt society still has the unity to universally feel disgusted about. It is an attempt to smear someone with one of those few things that can meet with universal condemnation.
QuoteShould I ask that you ban yourself, as you called me a jizz stain, and I am very sure that I am not, in fact, a jizz stain (last time I checked, you can't draw bone marrow from jizz, but hey), neither am I a brainwashed child of a Soviet/Post - Soviet apparatus, which you did call me? I don't even frequent Daily Kos nor read NIE.
And you aren't a Nazi. A notion that culture is somehow passed genetically, and if Danes were once collaborators there will have a collaborator psyche, is closer to fascism. And no cupcake, this isn't calling you a fascist, before you inevitably get into a huff.
Culture is not passed genetically. I never said it was. Stop being a lying fucking cunt.
It IS passed CULTURALLY. People who grow up in a culture that teaches them that milk is disgusting are much more likely to think milk is disgusting. People who grow up in a culture where they are taught tarantula legs are a normal breakfast meal will be more likely to enjoy tarantula legs for breakfast. And people who grow up in a culture that teaches that obedience to collective will is a normal and good thing, and that violence even to defend your values is bad, and were taught this by parents, grandparents, etc who mostly made the choice as a country to collaborate with Nazism rather than fight it, are more likely to believe that being a collaborator and obeying Collective authority is a good thing.
Quote from: Battle Mad Ronin;915095I know that Stormfront is a neo-nazi forum you idiot, I specifically choose that example because neo-nazism is the most extreme end of the political spectrum, invoking the point that you would not take anything less as 'unbiased'. And I don't have a problem with you hating totalitarians, I have a problem with you, as Rincewind points out, handling my whole culture as a set of inherent traits passed directly down that makes me, or anyone else, naturally inclined towards collaboration.
Go ahead you insufferable hypocrite, just to once again hammer home that you are no different from the loser segment of SJWs that you constantly laud about.
The difference between them and me are twofold: first, I put up with dozens of people in my own forum bitching me out every day. Second, I have no sense of virtue-signalling desperation for the approval of nonentities like yourself to stop me. I don't give a twopenny fuck what you think of me you worthless shit-stain; I only care about making real sure you know what I think of you.
And what I think of you is that you're part of the special elite club,
of only about a dozen or so people in the entire history of this site, that is too much of a fucking troll and a worthless provocateur to be allowed to exist here. This one is done with pleasure: you're banned, bitch, forever.
Quote from: Snowman0147;915133Your a fucking dumbass..
And since it turns out that the mainstream media
does report it, you just didn't notice, it turns out that
you're a dumbarse. The your/you're mixup is usually a good guide in this regard - most people know it, but some people just don't care because it is actually unimportant in itself - but a lack of attention to
unimportant details is usually associated with missing
important details, too - like mainstream media reporting on the issue you say they're ignoring.
Research and read before speaking. One of your more intelligent countrymen Harlan ellison said, "you don't have the right to an opinion, you have the right to an
informed opinion." Inform yourself.
I don't mind admitting I was wrong which in this case I am.
I, however, don't mind telling your smug ass to fuck off.
http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/danish-citizens-resist-nazis-1940-1945
I remember a certain other game designer who was accusing and demanding bans over CHARACTER ASSASSINATION on the Internet. How the might've fallen.
Quote from: Kyle Aaron;915245And since it turns out that the mainstream media does report it, you just didn't notice, it turns out that you're a dumbarse. The your/you're mixup is usually a good guide in this regard - most people know it, but some people just don't care because it is actually unimportant in itself - but a lack of attention to unimportant details is usually associated with missing important details, too - like mainstream media reporting on the issue you say they're ignoring.
Research and read before speaking. One of your more intelligent countrymen Harlan ellison said, "you don't have the right to an opinion, you have the right to an informed opinion." Inform yourself.
You can't know what's on mainstream media if you don't watch them, because they've been kidnapped by the Leftiminati. There's an old Polish joke about a highlander who prays to God to win the lottery, to which the God replies "Then fucking play already."
Quote from: One Horse Town;915287http://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/danish-citizens-resist-nazis-1940-1945
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_in_World_War_II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_in_World_War_II)
"In 2003, in a speech for the 60th anniversary of the end of the 1940–43 collaborationist government, Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said that Denmark's cooperation with Nazis was "morally unjustifiable", which was the first public condemnation of the World War II era Danish leadership by a Danish leader."
"These factors combined to allow Denmark a very favorable relationship with Nazi Germany. The government remained somewhat intact, and the parliament continued to function more or less as it had before. They were able to maintain much of their former control over domestic policy"
"Danish public opinion generally backed the new government, particularly after the fall of France in June 1940."
"The policy of the government, called samarbejdspolitikken (cooperation policy) is one of the most controversial issues in Danish history. Some historians argue that the relatively accommodating policy which did not actively resist the occupation was the only realistic way of safeguarding Danish democracy and people. However, others argue that accommodation was taken too far,
was uniquely compliant when compared to other democratic governments in Europe, and can not be seen as part of a coherent long-term strategy to protect democracy in Denmark or Europe"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/28/andrewosborn (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/28/andrewosborn)
"The extent of Denmark's collaboration with the Nazis during the second world war may be much greater than previously thought. A sealed national archive may contain the names of up to 300,000 Danish Nazis or Nazi sym pathisers gathered by the wartime resistance, leading historians say. A sealed national archive may contain the names of up to 300,000 Danish Nazis or Nazi sym pathisers gathered by the wartime resistance, leading historians say."
"In Britain and elsewhere Denmark's wartime record has traditionally been por trayed in a positive light, but Prof Bryld says much of its industry and agriculture collaborated with the Nazis for the sake of the money, and 12,000 Danes fought in a regiment against the Russians."
""There were very intimate relations between leading German officials and leading Danish ones. They made no political considerations.
"They traded with the Germans as if they were normal people.
A moral perspective was totally absent.""
Still, at least they saved most of their their Jewish population. More than the rest of occupied Europe managed.
Nothing's quite as black or white as anyone suggests.
It's true that they did that. I don't think that this was a clear-cut a question of being less anti-semitic than the rest of Europe, mind you.
In any case, this thread stopped being about the OP a long time ago.