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Author Topic: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM  (Read 5269 times)

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #90 on: February 24, 2022, 02:43:13 PM »
Greetings!

Shrieking Banshee, my prayers are with you for your mother in Ukraine. Hopefully, she can get out of the country really soon.

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2022, 03:51:00 PM »
Today has been surreal for me. A series of small coincidences has let most of my family be outside of kiev this past month, so thats a small mercy. But my mother is still there.

As for Ukraine, the situation is complex and messed up. I don’t want WW3 started over Ukraine. Its absolutely not worth it.

Sorry to hear about your mother, Shrieking Banshee. I'm praying for her and all the people in Ukraine, and hope they can be as safe as possible. Do you have a preferred charity for Ukrainian aid? It looks to me like United Help Ukraine is at least transparent and clear, but I don't have any Ukrainian connections.

https://unitedhelpukraine.org/

I'd want my contributions to be as direct as possible.

I'm sure no one wants WW3. The question is what is the best way to avoid it. It would be great if just not resisting Putin's invasion and doing nothing meant that further war was avoided, but my reading of history is that this won't be the end of it if that is the response.

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2022, 04:16:34 PM »
Today has been surreal for me. A series of small coincidences has let most of my family be outside of kiev this past month, so thats a small mercy. But my mother is still there.

As for Ukraine, the situation is complex and messed up. I don’t want WW3 started over Ukraine. Its absolutely not worth it.

Sorry to hear about your mother, Shrieking Banshee. I'm praying for her and all the people in Ukraine, and hope they can be as safe as possible. Do you have a preferred charity for Ukrainian aid? It looks to me like United Help Ukraine is at least transparent and clear, but I don't have any Ukrainian connections.

https://unitedhelpukraine.org/

I'd want my contributions to be as direct as possible.

I'm sure no one wants WW3. The question is what is the best way to avoid it. It would be great if just not resisting Putin's invasion and doing nothing meant that further war was avoided, but my reading of history is that this won't be the end of it if that is the response.

  Oh it definitely won't be the end of it no matter what the USA does.  Taiwan is next.  The USA is an empire in decline, just like the Soviet Union was through the 80's.   The USA really just does not have the juice anymore to make the sort of difference without direct military action to change it.  Sanctions might work.  But I think they are not going to even be carried out by NATO, at least not all of NATO.  Putin can wait out any policy.

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2022, 04:20:49 PM »
Today has been surreal for me. A series of small coincidences has let most of my family be outside of kiev this past month, so thats a small mercy. But my mother is still there.

As for Ukraine, the situation is complex and messed up. I don’t want WW3 started over Ukraine. Its absolutely not worth it.

Sorry to hear about your mother, Shrieking Banshee. I'm praying for her and all the people in Ukraine, and hope they can be as safe as possible. Do you have a preferred charity for Ukrainian aid? It looks to me like United Help Ukraine is at least transparent and clear, but I don't have any Ukrainian connections.

https://unitedhelpukraine.org/

I'd want my contributions to be as direct as possible.

I'm sure no one wants WW3. The question is what is the best way to avoid it. It would be great if just not resisting Putin's invasion and doing nothing meant that further war was avoided, but my reading of history is that this won't be the end of it if that is the response.

  Oh it definitely won't be the end of it no matter what the USA does.  Taiwan is next.  The USA is an empire in decline, just like the Soviet Union was through the 80's.   The USA really just does not have the juice anymore to make the sort of difference without direct military action to change it.  Sanctions might work.  But I think they are not going to even be carried out by NATO, at least not all of NATO.  Putin can wait out any policy.

The sanctions will only push Putin into China's orbit, plus some other anti-western dictatorship. The kind Dems aren't willing to denounce because it's not the bad Russian man in charge.

The USA does have the juice, what it lacks is leaders not sold to either China or the WEF (if those are even two different things).
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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2022, 04:52:33 PM »
Today has been surreal for me. A series of small coincidences has let most of my family be outside of kiev this past month, so thats a small mercy. But my mother is still there.

As for Ukraine, the situation is complex and messed up. I don’t want WW3 started over Ukraine. Its absolutely not worth it.

Sorry to hear about your mother, Shrieking Banshee. I'm praying for her and all the people in Ukraine, and hope they can be as safe as possible. Do you have a preferred charity for Ukrainian aid? It looks to me like United Help Ukraine is at least transparent and clear, but I don't have any Ukrainian connections.

https://unitedhelpukraine.org/

I'd want my contributions to be as direct as possible.

I'm sure no one wants WW3. The question is what is the best way to avoid it. It would be great if just not resisting Putin's invasion and doing nothing meant that further war was avoided, but my reading of history is that this won't be the end of it if that is the response.

  Oh it definitely won't be the end of it no matter what the USA does.  Taiwan is next.  The USA is an empire in decline, just like the Soviet Union was through the 80's.   The USA really just does not have the juice anymore to make the sort of difference without direct military action to change it.  Sanctions might work.  But I think they are not going to even be carried out by NATO, at least not all of NATO.  Putin can wait out any policy.

The sanctions will only push Putin into China's orbit, plus some other anti-western dictatorship. The kind Dems aren't willing to denounce because it's not the bad Russian man in charge.

The USA does have the juice, what it lacks is leaders not sold to either China or the WEF (if those are even two different things).

  No it does not, not to do anything to Russia that matters.  Russia is pretty much completely independent regarding their imports and economy (thanks to past sanction, they had to develop local service for local need) so sanctions might not change much even if adhered to. 

  I do think it has a lot more juice with China, but you are right about the leaders keeping their mouths shut on that one.  They are all making too much money the way it goes now.

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #95 on: February 24, 2022, 04:59:02 PM »
Im thankful for little miracles because she is only there because my uncle got into a terrible skiing accident in Lvov (which is to the west). This caused tons of family members normally in Kiev to go take up temporary residence there. As a result while my mom is somewhat endangered, my uncles skiing accident got a whole bunch of people out of hot zones.
She should be out this Saturday by train.

Ukraine was always a ball of clay falling apart because the people there didn't really have anything in common outside of being conquered and grouped together. Its citizens resent it as a place and its one of the few countries in the world with a largely negative birth rate.

So there is no magic bullet to fix this. Even if ultra compitent soldiers dropped in to repel russia, that still leaves ukraine in a quagmire.

As for Russia: Its equivalent of a mafiadon amputating his right arm to take over a irriadated crack den. Many people there are panicking about being branded a 'Rogue State' effectively.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2022, 05:03:42 PM by Shrieking Banshee »

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #96 on: February 24, 2022, 05:04:04 PM »
^ Good luck with your family.

...
Unrelated, the Trafalgar Group and the Convention of States Action conducted a poll on what Americans think of Trudeau's crackdown on the Freedom Convoy in Canada:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/nat-issues-trudeau-approval-0221/

Two quick takeaways:

Overall, there's a high disapproval rate: 55%, vs. 35% who approve. But when only Democrats are considered, the approval rate jumps to 66%. Which suggests that progressives in the US, who already use their influence with private corporations to ban their political opponents from social media and payment networks, are also in favor of compelling private banks to freeze the bank accounts of those enemies. So expect them to push expanded powers of this nature in the US.

Secondly, 9.6% of Americans in general are unaware of the crackdown. But when only Democrats were considered, the number who are unaware of what is happening jumps to 17.1%. This tells us that the crackdown is being downplayed by the progressive corporate news.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2022, 05:08:27 PM by Pat »

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #97 on: February 24, 2022, 05:17:25 PM »
^ Good luck with your family.

...
Unrelated, the Trafalgar Group and the Convention of States Action conducted a poll on what Americans think of Trudeau's crackdown on the Freedom Convoy in Canada:
https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/news/nat-issues-trudeau-approval-0221/

Two quick takeaways:

Overall, there's a high disapproval rate: 55%, vs. 35% who approve. But when only Democrats are considered, the approval rate jumps to 66%. Which suggests that progressives in the US, who already use their influence with private corporations to ban their political opponents from social media and payment networks, are also in favor of compelling private banks to freeze the bank accounts of those enemies. So expect them to push expanded powers of this nature in the US.

Secondly, 9.6% of Americans in general are unaware of the crackdown. But when only Democrats were considered, the number who are unaware of what is happening jumps to 17.1%. This tells us that the crackdown is being downplayed by the progressive corporate news.

     Shocker.  Massive tension on the world stage (and even if not WW3, if China and Russia manage to decouple 100 percent from the dollar....) prices soaring (because "American" values cost sometimes), economy in shambles thanks to fucked up government action, a growingly divided population.....what could go wrong? 

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2022, 01:24:56 AM »
The Left absolutely loves free speech.

You are FREE to speak whatever their narrative might be this week.

My dad lived through this behind the Iron Curtain. This isn't new for humanity and if Americans don't like it, then its high time to remember what the 2A is for.

If you don't like where America is going, here's your choices:
1) Red State Secession
2) Civil War
3) Submission to communism

Pick one and accept the consequences.

There's no voting our way of this mess because there is only the Uniparty and both Left and Right elite hate you. The Right just wants your money and votes while they choke back their total disgust for you peasants until they're re-elected.

Lots of truth, right there.

Cue the music:
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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2022, 08:50:21 AM »
If you don't like where America is going, here's your choices:
1) Red State Secession
2) Civil War
3) Submission to communism
1 and 2 are virtually the same because the elites can’t afford to let the productive class escape. No one actually wants the SJW/Antifa/BLM crowd around once the conflict is over and that’s all that would be left in Blue territory if secession were the end of it.

The only difference between 1 and 2 is who fires the first shot in Civil War 2.

Option 3 is also just choosing to be on Team Blue for the Civil War 2 Boogaloo because if even just 1% of the gun owners in the country decided to fight you’d have an insurgent force almost as big as our entire armed forces and a home field advantage.

My personal hope is for something closer to Poland’s Solidarity movement that organized to bring down its commies without nearly the bloodshed.

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Re: The Left gave up on free speech, now they're giving up on FREEDOM
« Reply #100 on: March 05, 2022, 11:15:12 AM »
  On a related note I decided to snag a shotgun the other day.  My father growing up was a huge gun enthusiast, and I shoot a bit from time to time, but because my brothers and father have literal arsenals, never really bothered to own a gun until maybe 10 years ago.   I completed the trifecta with that purchase (IMO everyone should have a rifle, shotgun, and handgun) and was honestly inspired to go ahead and snag one since I put it off so long and was grabbing a few other camping essentials.   I want a scout rifle too (.308/7.62x51mm preferred), but I can wait on that one.

    This seemed relevant to mention in this thread given what looked like a whole bunch of clapping by lefties in this country over Trudeau's actions, and I get a tingle that now rules to keep us "safe" from a virus are about over, rule to keep us "safe" from Russians are about to take deep root and grow like weeds.  I think some people have had enough of the bullshit rules, and if we get a whole lot of gasoline spread around (like a massive financial collapse thanks to global actions and bad leaders) it is only going to take a small spark for this country to be 3-6 new countries.